Ketosis stage...how do you handle it?

  • zakariahzol

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    Jan 27, 2010 2:31 PM GMT
    For those who try to loss weight and bodyfat will understand how bad it is. Each time I set to loose a couple of kilo, my body start to enter this ketosis stages. Headaches, dizzy, frequent urination and a constance demand for high calories and sugary food. It usually last about a week and will go away with myself weighting slightly less. My metabolism start to slow down and all I want to do is to go to sleep. I start coughing and develop a fever like higher temperature. I feel fatigue and tired , cant concentrate at work and all I think about is food.

    If I manage to maintain the will power to resist temptation to eat junky stuff during this torturing ketosis stage, I will finally be rewarded with 2 or 3 kilo weight loss. The circle continue when I about to lose a more kilo .

    I have try everything, eating frequent smaller meal (you know how hard it is), eating fruit and protein shake, but its just dont go away.

    Help me guys. I work so hard to loss weight. But my body, keep resisting my effort. It keep sabotaging all my effort.
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    Jan 27, 2010 5:51 PM GMT
    Eat. Don't end up in ketosis. DOH.
  • SwimNP

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    Jan 27, 2010 6:18 PM GMT
    It could be that you are losing or are trying to lose the weight too fast. The byproduct of fat breakdown is essentially ketone bodies. The body can get rid of a normal amount without much problem (through urination, unless you have kidney problems). When you lose fat too fast, these ketone bodies build up. They are acidic and your body doesn't like that. That's how you become ketoacidotic. This throws your body's pH out of whack (can be very dangerous) and ofcourse your body is going to do everything it can to compensate (could include the overeating of sugar and slowing down of metabolism among other things)

    People with diabetes experience a similar thing called diabetic ketoacidosis. The only difference is they don't make insulin, don't make enough insulin, or their cells have become resistant to insulin so their body can't utilize carbs (glucose). Mass breakdown of fat for energy then occurs resulting in the same symptoms.

    Lose the weight slowly. 1 to 2 pounds (a kilogram or less) of fat a week at the most. Eat like chucky said =P
  • Celticmusl

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    Jan 27, 2010 6:42 PM GMT
    A lot of people lose body fat by entering the ketosis stage, even pro athletes. What you have described doesn't sound too extreme. I think a lot of your symptoms are byproducts of losing body fat....which should at least mentally put you in a good mood!

    As a theory, your body stores toxins(and estrogen) in your body fat. When you start losing the body fat the toxins will flow along with the fat calories and it will take your body awhile to flush it out of your system. Make sure you are keeping hydrated with lots of filtered water. Actually, some of your symptoms would be synonymous with the same symptoms of dehydration. Make sure you're getting a good balance of electrolytes, and celery is perfect for that.

    For me, I totally negate any kind of sugary desserts completely in my diet. Don't eat any of it.....cold turkey. Although it might be hard at first, eventually your body will adjust to a steady insulin level. I used to have a major sweet tooth and I would always get that craving after a meal. Eat a chocolate protein bar with low sugar, or a chocolate protein shake instead. The theobromine in the chocolate, and the protein should help you get that feeling of satiety you crave.
  • jrs1

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    Jan 27, 2010 6:53 PM GMT
    wow. the key to weight loss ... is to eat. go figure.

    no need for this madness ... you're not fasting. you're not stranded on an island. unless you're in the red financially and trying to save a few bucks with anti-mastication meditation ... I would advise that you watch the saturated fat content and drink loads of liquids (without a high concentration of corn syrup, dyes, and sugars).
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    Jan 27, 2010 7:07 PM GMT
    Celticmusl saidA lot of people lose body fat by entering the ketosis stage, even pro athletes. What you have described doesn't sound too extreme. I think a lot of your symptoms are byproducts of losing body fat....which should at least mentally put you in a good mood!


    Lost of folks do stupid things, but, just because folks do them, it doesn't make them right. Ketosis gobbles up muscle, and slows your metabolism to a crawl, and is BAD for you...PERIOD.
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    Jan 27, 2010 9:15 PM GMT
    Listening to your body would be a great place to start. Everyone's physiology is slightly different. Some people do well on a low carb ketogenic diet, while others do not. Some will lose muscle very quickly, others won't. Some people do better on a low fat diet, etc. For one thing, if you do want to do the low carb diet and you have rapid success doing it, you may want to consider a refeed strategy, and by that I mean carbing up at regular intervals. For example every fourth day, eat a high carb diet. This will prevent your metabolism from slowing down so much and stalling out your progress. It would also make some of the symptoms you describe less intense or non-existent, and it would also make sticking with it easier since you know that you only have to make it 3 days before you can have whatever you want to eat. Three days is just an example, some people do better refeeding once a week, or every 5 days or whatever. The point here is to listen to your body, when your weight loss starts slowing and/or you start getting weak, dizzy, etc., that is probably a good indication that a refeed is needed soon. Long term, low carb diets and low fat diets are about equal in terms of weight loss/ weight maintenance, so all though initially the low carb method might be faster, in the long run its not significantly better then a low fat diet. So if you do better physically on a low fat diet, then be patient and do that instead of the low carb method. Good luck with this.
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    Jan 27, 2010 10:19 PM GMT
    Never been into Ketosis phase, but do get a strong urge sometime to just gulp down a piece cake or pastry or even both, lol
  • zakariahzol

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    Jan 27, 2010 10:49 PM GMT
    Thank guys. All the information above is really beneficial to me.
  • DiverScience

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    Jan 27, 2010 10:58 PM GMT
    Ketosis works for some people. It's the way Atkins works (when it does). But it's also very stressful for your body, and for some more than others.

    I, for example, would likely die if I tried it. My kidneys simple wouldn't support it.

    I would suggest that if it makes you ill and dizzy and feel like shit that maybe it's not the best choice of methods for your particular body chemistry.
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    Jan 27, 2010 11:02 PM GMT
    I've recently been experimenting with very low carb, hoping to lean out a bit. But, after a couple of those blazing headaches, I added a couple carrots back into my diet to keep those from happening. It takes very little carbohydrate intake to keep the body out of ketosis.
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    Jan 28, 2010 5:25 AM GMT
    One piece of candy, about 11 grams of sugar, will bring you out of ketosis. When your blood sugar goes low, and you start cannibalizing protein to keep it up, that's not a lot of good that happens.

    You're much better off to eat enough to be active, and then get active, and speed your metabolism up, rather than slowing it down with bad nutrition / starvation.
  • Neon_Dreams

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    Jan 28, 2010 5:41 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidOne piece of candy, about 11 grams of sugar, will bring you out of ketosis. When your blood sugar goes low, and you start cannibalizing protein to keep it up, that's not a lot of good that happens.

    You're much better off to eat enough to be active, and then get active, and speed your metabolism up, rather than slowing it down with bad nutrition / starvation.


    As I read this topic, I feel myself slipping into starvation mode...

    I'm going to head to the kitchen for an orange... Then a nice brisk walk to burn those calories. After a few push-ups of course. icon_razz.gif

    Thanks for the encouragement ChuckyStud! icon_biggrin.gif


    Joe
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    Jan 28, 2010 5:52 AM GMT
    DiverScience saidKetosis works for some people. It's the way Atkins works (when it does). But it's also very stressful for your body, and for some more than others.

    I, for example, would likely die if I tried it. My kidneys simple wouldn't support it.

    I would suggest that if it makes you ill and dizzy and feel like shit that maybe it's not the best choice of methods for your particular body chemistry.


    Hot Ass Smurf is right. I went on Atkins years ago and and dropped weight like crazy without so much as yawing. A friend of mine tried it and she got extremely dizzy and nauseous. Proceed with caution.
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    Jan 28, 2010 6:07 AM GMT
    Are you a diabetic? Have you been check out by a Physician or RNP? A simple blood test could determine hypoglycemia. You should should definately get checked out ASAP!!!
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    Jan 28, 2010 3:53 PM GMT
    No need for a doctor to rape you just for blood sugar. You can get a tester at Wally World for $10.00 and check it yourself. You can get a HBA1C test at Walmart for $11.50. Don't spend hundreds in a doctor's office needlessly.
  • Neon_Dreams

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    Jan 29, 2010 9:28 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidNo need for a doctor to rape you just for blood sugar. You can get a tester at Wally World for $10.00 and check it yourself. You can get a HBA1C test at Walmart for $11.50. Don't spend hundreds in a doctor's office needlessly.


    Good advice. Thanks.

    I personally do not like doctors and hospitals. And like many people around the globe, I do not have health insurance either.

    Testing my own blood sugar sounds like a much better option than going to the doctor office. icon_biggrin.gif


    Joe
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    Feb 08, 2010 4:41 AM GMT
    Sounds like carbohydrate withdrawal. Carbs = sugar. Sugar is a drug and drugs are addicting. Sounds sillys but it's very real.

    Coming off of high carb veganism after 3 years to no grain paleo was NOT easy. I thought I was going to die..I was in tears at one point. I had headaches, nausea, irritability, and craved sugar to bad... But it was so worth it...I feel better than ever eating low carb and it's so easy to gain muscle and lost fat. I've induced ketosis on myself a couple of times just as an experiment and I had no problems with headaches or dizziness...lost a nice bit of body fat, that's all icon_smile.gif
  • zakariahzol

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    Feb 11, 2010 4:23 PM GMT
    When I post this topic on Jan 27 I was having ketosis. Now a month latter on 11 Feb, I am in ketosis again. I was coughing and having headache the entire day. The good thing is, this is an indication I will be losing a few kilos soon.
    Why cant I just lose weight normally like other people? Every weight loss I achieve mean I have to go thru this "ketosis stuff" .
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    Feb 12, 2010 9:14 AM GMT
    All it means is your body is using fat for energy. What's the problem?
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    Apr 13, 2014 6:34 AM GMT
    there is a lot of mis understanding about nutritional ketogenic. Recent write up on several bodybuilding website explore these misunderstandings. See Jeff Volek's video on youtube

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GC1vMBRFiwE
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    Apr 13, 2014 6:04 PM GMT
    Unless you are running blood tests to confirm your self-diagnosis, don't make so many assumptions about the chemistry behind what you are experiencing.

    You might try killing common hunger symptoms by eating a small snack like 1/2 an apple and a dozen almonds every few hours. Weight loss requires tricking your powerful, natural hunger regulating system into believing it is satisfied.

    Good luck!