President Obama to call for 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' repeal, adviser says

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    Jan 28, 2010 12:01 AM GMT
    Breaking news from cnn.com on tonight's State of The Union Address...

    Washington (CNN) -- President Obama will ask Congress Wednesday night to repeal the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy that bars gays and lesbians from openly serving in, White House Senior Adviser David Axelrod told CNN.

    The request will be included in the president's State of the Union address, Axelrod s....

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/27/obama.gays.military/index.html?hpt=T1
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    Jan 28, 2010 12:08 AM GMT
    Who cares? Who wants to go to war anyway?

    How about if he did something for us that really mattered?
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    Jan 28, 2010 12:41 AM GMT
    viveutvivas saidWho cares? Who wants to go to war anyway?

    How about if he did something for us that really mattered?


    I care. Personally I think DADT is the most blatantly homophobic policy in America right now. Most other discriminatory policies that gay rights activists take issue with at least have a semblance of a rational argument behind them.
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    Jan 28, 2010 12:55 AM GMT
    Oh. That'll go over big...
    Why the hell is he asking Congress to do something that they'll NEVER do, when HE could do it HIMSELF any day he chooses ?
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    Jan 28, 2010 6:15 AM GMT
    We'll seeicon_wink.gif
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    Jan 28, 2010 2:13 PM GMT
    As the saying goes:
    Fool me once, shame on you.
    Fool me twice, shame on me.

    I will wait until I see it done. The Dems have shown themselves incapable of following thru on their promises,
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    Jan 28, 2010 2:24 PM GMT
    "This year, I will work with Congress and our military to finally repeal the law that denies gay Americans the right to serve the country they love because of who they are"

    Translation:

    You'll huff and you'll puff but you don't have enough of a sack to blow the White House down.

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    Jan 28, 2010 2:33 PM GMT
    viveutvivas saidWho cares? Who wants to go to war anyway?

    How about if he did something for us that really mattered?



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    Jan 28, 2010 2:44 PM GMT
    viveutvivas saidWho cares? Who wants to go to war anyway?

    How about if he did something for us that really mattered?

    I agree and I have no desire to go to war. But I think the repeal of DADT will have a great psychological impact on the nation and really speed up the attainment of gay equality in America.
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    Jan 28, 2010 2:48 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidOh. That'll go over big...
    Why the hell is he asking Congress to do something that they'll NEVER do, when HE could do it HIMSELF any day he chooses?

    It's people like you, grossly ignorant of the facts, who cripple the fight for gay rights. Where'd you get that bit of misinformation from, listening to FOX News?
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    viveutvivas saidWho cares? Who wants to go to war anyway?

    How about if he did something for us that really mattered?

    I agree that I have no desire to go to war. But I think the repeal of DADT will have a great psychological impact on the nation and really speed up the attainment of gay equality in America.

    Correct. So long as official US policies discriminate against gays for any purpose, there are people who will see that as affirmation that other gay discrimination is acceptable, too. Being unable to openly serve in the military tells Americans that gays are bad, perverted, unworthy, and liable to all the other slanders our opponents say about us.

    Whether any of us here personally serve in the military or not, being allowed to do so will elevate our status among all Americans, and I judge that to be a good thing. Not being allowed to serve reinforces the idea that we are second-class citizens, barely citizens at all, inferior to other Americans, in the same class as convicted felons who cannot serve, either.
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    Jan 28, 2010 2:57 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidOh. That'll go over big...
    Why the hell is he asking Congress to do something that they'll NEVER do, when HE could do it HIMSELF any day he chooses ?


    Oh honey bunch.

    If he does it, it is not permanent, the next president can easily bring it back. If it goes through congress, it is in the books, it is law.

    BIG difference.
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    Jan 28, 2010 3:02 PM GMT
    Harry Reid announced soon after Obama's election that Congress was not going to pick this up.

    Obama could make this a lot easier by suspending enforcement of DADT, which he can do. After queers fail to turn military installations into bath houses, it will be easier to repeal the law.

    As it is, Obama's just engaged his usual words, words, words.

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    Jan 28, 2010 3:15 PM GMT
    Will wait and see what happensicon_neutral.gif
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    Jan 28, 2010 10:23 PM GMT
    unfortunately...nothing will happen... lots of talk, and no action
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    Jan 28, 2010 10:31 PM GMT
    Yeah, why he would do anything that would cause his approval/popularity rating to plummet even more? icon_confused.gif
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    Jan 28, 2010 10:38 PM GMT
    The rhetoric doesn't match the actions

    I'll celebrate when it gets done
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    Jan 28, 2010 10:42 PM GMT
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    viveutvivas saidWho cares? Who wants to go to war anyway?

    How about if he did something for us that really mattered?


    I care. Personally I think DADT is the most blatantly homophobic policy in America right now. Most other discriminatory policies that gay rights activists take issue with at least have a semblance of a rational argument behind them.


    Even though the rules of the military say no homosexuals, many join anyway. many will take a wife and live just about their whole life a lie, then come out when they are old and retired. many homosexuals want to serve their countries, for whatever reasion.

    I say time for talk is over, lets now see some action, as words are cheap.
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    Webster666 saidOh. That'll go over big...
    Why the hell is he asking Congress to do something that they'll NEVER do, when HE could do it HIMSELF any day he chooses ?


    it's like when my sister did not want to do something, and did not have the balls to say so, she would say she would "ask her husband."
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    Jan 28, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
    It may not happen in an election year, but I think there are enough members pushing for it to get hearings and a helluva debate, which can only be a help to us.
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    Jan 28, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
    egomaniac saidYeah, why he would do anything that would cause his approval/popularity rating to plummet even more? icon_confused.gif

    Not necessarily. The anti-DADT sentiment in the general public is way ahead of the gay marriage issue. The reasoning to keep it is simply weak, with fewer and fewer in favor. Some more info here: http://www.sldn.org/pages/about-dadt
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    Jan 28, 2010 10:52 PM GMT
    Let's hear what he's got to say in the next state of the union address. Will he tell us about his commitment to equal rights or will he be apologetic to the gay population or will he be able to include it among his accomplishments? I don't have a lot of confidence in the last option.
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    Jan 28, 2010 11:52 PM GMT
    75% of Americans are in favor of Gays in the military. It really shouldn't be that hard.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/18/AR2008071802561.html

    This is long overdue.
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    Webster666 saidOh. That'll go over big...
    Why the hell is he asking Congress to do something that they'll NEVER do, when HE could do it HIMSELF any day he chooses?

    It's people like you, grossly ignorant of the facts, who cripple the fight for gay rights. Where'd you get that bit of misinformation from, listening to FOX News?


    Grossly ignorant of facts?
    The President has the ability and power to repeal DADT by Executive order , much the same way it was enacted. While it's true, the next person voted in may choose to reinstate DADT. Without public support and very little support from the armed forces it would seem unlikely it would be reinstated.
    The President also has avaliable to him the power to suspend operation of DODT under 10 U. S. C. 12305 which grants the President the authority to "Suspend Certain Laws Relating to Promotion, Retirement and Seperation". Under 12305 Congress grants the President the authority to suspend seperation of military members in times of national emergency.
    Also you might check and see why it is that it takes a matter of a few days for the President to push a $787 billion stimulus pkg through both houses while HR1283 (introduced March 3 2009) is still, nearly a year latter , in committee? By the way, HR 1283 is the bill that would repeal DADT, but I'm sure in all your wisdom you already knew that! And spare me your usual bullshit of blaming the Republicans, since the Democrat super majority doesn't need them to pass anything through either house
    Looks like Webster666 is a bit less ignorant of the facts than you are. And for the record I got the information from the sources and not Fox News. You really should try being a bit nicer and a little more respectful to people you obviously feel are not your equil, instead of being such an over blown, puffed up Idelogue! I don't understand your need to belittle and bully other people, it's really quite sad and we've all seen it way too much!