Obama Stumbles on Gay Rights At Today's FL Town Hall

  • metta

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    Jan 29, 2010 12:07 AM GMT
    Obama Stumbles on Gay Rights At Today's FL Town Hall




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  • metta

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    Jan 29, 2010 12:32 AM GMT

    Meghan McCain: Dad Coming Along on Gay Marriage


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    Meghan McCain spoke at the University of Florida on Wednesday night, where she said her anti-gay marriage father was "coming along" on the issue: "He's 73 years old. It's difficult. I keep telling people, 'You continue putting pressure on President Obama, and I'll continue putting pressure on my father.'"
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    http://advocate.com//News/Daily_News/2010/01/28/Meghan_McCain_Dad_Coming_Along_on_Gay_Marriage/
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    Jan 29, 2010 1:16 AM GMT
    I think we can safely assume we'll never get a decent answer out of this guy when it comes to gay rights. This was at UT (University of Tampa), which isn't too far from me. I probably should've attended to voice my dissatisfaction. icon_redface.gif
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    Jan 29, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
    talk about vague answer lolz
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    Jan 29, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
    you voted for him, deal with him. There is nothing you can do.
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    Jan 29, 2010 1:45 AM GMT
    Rodmramer saidyou voted for him, deal with him. There is nothing you can do.

    Um, we aren't attacking him. We are simply pointing out that he doesn't have an answer prepared.

    I, along with a lot of other people, are not at all upset Obama won the election.
  • DCEric

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    Jan 29, 2010 2:06 AM GMT
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    Rodmramer saidyou voted for him, deal with him. There is nothing you can do.

    Um, we aren't attacking him. We are simply pointing out that he doesn't have an answer prepared.

    I, along with a lot of other people, are not at all upset Obama won the election.


    Agreed, the alternative wouldn't have been pretty.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Jan 29, 2010 2:12 AM GMT
    I thought he answered pretty supportively. It's a polarizing issue and he answered clearly on the side of gays & lesbians. Good for him.
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    Jan 29, 2010 2:19 AM GMT
    How did he stumble?

    This is a rather complicated issue and a single sentence sound bite saying "full and total equal rights by March" is just lip service.

    He mentioned what they can do at the federal level and where they are along that road.

    Is that enough? Absolutely not. I think it is a bit more realistic considering the moral dinosaurs we have haunting capital hill.

    What do you think Meta? I see you repost a lot of things, but I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say here.
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    Jan 29, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
    I'm fine with what Obama's done on gay rights thus far. Marriage isn't going to happen any time soon, short of the Roberts' Court overturning Prop 8 and extending suspect class status to gays, which is about as likely as Roberts' siding with people against corporations.

    One could argue that Clinton's attempts to allow gays to serve actually hurt our movement, since more people have been dismissed under DADT than were before. It increased witch hunts instead of lessening them.

    And since our community ate our own (trans-people) when it congress tried to move in ENDA, we kind of got what we deserved. I, for one, could not support passing anti-discrimination that didn't include gender since a) it was morally and ethically bankrupt and b) the majority of overt discrimination is a reaction to gender nonconformity, not who one sleeps with.
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    Jan 29, 2010 2:23 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie saidHow did he stumble?

    This is a rather complicated issue and a single sentence sound bite saying "full and total equal rights by March" is just lip service.

    He mentioned what they can do at the federal level and where they are along that road.

    Is that enough? Absolutely not. I think it is a bit more realistic considering the moral dinosaurs we have haunting capital hill.

    What do you think Meta? I see you repost a lot of things, but I am not sure exactly what you are trying to say here.



    dude just posts news all the time
    hes not trying to tell u anything he just wants u to know whats going on out there
    hes gonna tell me im dead wrong if thats not his evil plot icon_twisted.gif
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    Jan 29, 2010 2:23 AM GMT
    That was painful. But it's not Obama who this is hinging on, it's Congress, though Obama has tremendous power of putting gay marriage into the spotlight.
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    Jan 29, 2010 2:24 AM GMT
    Geez, I still remember the 80s and Reagan...Obama even attempting to answer LGBT issue questions openly, honestly and supportively is just amazing.
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    Jan 29, 2010 2:25 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    Meghan McCain: Dad Coming Along on Gay Marriage


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    Meghan McCain spoke at the University of Florida on Wednesday night, where she said her anti-gay marriage father was "coming along" on the issue: "He's 73 years old. It's difficult. I keep telling people, 'You continue putting pressure on President Obama, and I'll continue putting pressure on my father.'"


    http://advocate.com//News/Daily_News/2010/01/28/Meghan_McCain_Dad_Coming_Along_on_Gay_Marriage/[/quote]

    Sorry Ms McCain, but I respectfully disagree with you. Just because you may have an agenda, doesn't give you the right to force it on your Pa. Because he has a right to his own thoughts on any issue, and hold his own agenda. No diffrent the the right you have givern yourself, to have your own point of view, and have your own agenda with it. Just because you may behold socialist views does not give you the right to force them on your Pa. You may of growen up around conservative views, yet your Pa gave you the right to be free thinking; yet you now want to take that right off him. Thats dictatorship.. I demand the right to freedom of speech, and to be heard, and thats the firs things you take away.
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    Jan 29, 2010 2:33 AM GMT
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    metta8 said
    Meghan McCain: Dad Coming Along on Gay Marriage


    [quote]
    Meghan McCain spoke at the University of Florida on Wednesday night, where she said her anti-gay marriage father was "coming along" on the issue: "He's 73 years old. It's difficult. I keep telling people, 'You continue putting pressure on President Obama, and I'll continue putting pressure on my father.'"


    http://advocate.com//News/Daily_News/2010/01/28/Meghan_McCain_Dad_Coming_Along_on_Gay_Marriage/


    Sorry Ms McCain, but I respectfully disagree with you. Just because you may have an agenda, doesn't give you the right to force it on your Pa. Because he has a right to his own thoughts on any issue, and hold his own agenda. No diffrent the the right you have givern yourself, to have your own point of view, and have your own agenda with it. Just because you may behold socialist views does not give you the right to force them on your Pa. You may of growen up around conservative views, yet your Pa gave you the right to be free thinking; yet you now want to take that right off him. Thats dictatorship.. I demand the right to freedom of speech, and to be heard, and thats the firs things you take away.[/quote]

    Gay rights is a socialist view? Where did that come from? Trying to get him to see her side of an issue is hardly taking away his freedom of speech. She is discussing an issue with him. Kind of like what we do in these threads.
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    Jan 29, 2010 2:48 AM GMT
    heartrobb said
    Pattison said
    metta8 said
    Meghan McCain: Dad Coming Along on Gay Marriage


    [quote]
    Meghan McCain spoke at the University of Florida on Wednesday night, where she said her anti-gay marriage father was "coming along" on the issue: "He's 73 years old. It's difficult. I keep telling people, 'You continue putting pressure on President Obama, and I'll continue putting pressure on my father.'"


    http://advocate.com//News/Daily_News/2010/01/28/Meghan_McCain_Dad_Coming_Along_on_Gay_Marriage/


    Sorry Ms McCain, but I respectfully disagree with you. Just because you may have an agenda, doesn't give you the right to force it on your Pa. Because he has a right to his own thoughts on any issue, and hold his own agenda. No diffrent the the right you have givern yourself, to have your own point of view, and have your own agenda with it. Just because you may behold socialist views does not give you the right to force them on your Pa. You may of growen up around conservative views, yet your Pa gave you the right to be free thinking; yet you now want to take that right off him. Thats dictatorship.. I demand the right to freedom of speech, and to be heard, and thats the firs things you take away.


    Gay rights is a socialist view? Where did that come from? Trying to get him to see her side of an issue is hardly taking away his freedom of speech. She is discussing an issue with him. Kind of like what we do in these threads.[/quote]

    But I am not forcing anyone to do anything, or to accept anything. I sit on the fence politically, I do not belong to one party, unlike yourself; not having a go there either, but there is a fundamental diffrence. If Mr McCain was to stand up all of a sudden in support of this thing called "Gay Marriage", I know with out any doubt, it's because he has been pestered to, or his daughter has just been able to take advantage of an old mind, that is becoming weak with age; we call that alder abuse down here. I don't want his support if it has become about my force, I'm happy to have it, if it comes from his heart. Saying and" I'll keep putting pressure on him" is way more than a discussion.

    Our Last Conservative leader John Howard, may not of supported this thing Called "Gay Marriage", as it's un australian. Yet this does not mean he was anti homosexuality; and I know he was not! Since so many people call it Gay Marriage, and not just marrage they have already givern it a diffrent name so why not move away from the word marriage altogether? I myself love the sound of Civil Unions; I could vote for that.
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    Jan 29, 2010 2:53 AM GMT
    Pattison said
    heartrobb said
    Pattison said
    metta8 said
    Meghan McCain: Dad Coming Along on Gay Marriage


    [quote]
    Meghan McCain spoke at the University of Florida on Wednesday night, where she said her anti-gay marriage father was "coming along" on the issue: "He's 73 years old. It's difficult. I keep telling people, 'You continue putting pressure on President Obama, and I'll continue putting pressure on my father.'"


    http://advocate.com//News/Daily_News/2010/01/28/Meghan_McCain_Dad_Coming_Along_on_Gay_Marriage/


    Sorry Ms McCain, but I respectfully disagree with you. Just because you may have an agenda, doesn't give you the right to force it on your Pa. Because he has a right to his own thoughts on any issue, and hold his own agenda. No diffrent the the right you have givern yourself, to have your own point of view, and have your own agenda with it. Just because you may behold socialist views does not give you the right to force them on your Pa. You may of growen up around conservative views, yet your Pa gave you the right to be free thinking; yet you now want to take that right off him. Thats dictatorship.. I demand the right to freedom of speech, and to be heard, and thats the firs things you take away.


    Gay rights is a socialist view? Where did that come from? Trying to get him to see her side of an issue is hardly taking away his freedom of speech. She is discussing an issue with him. Kind of like what we do in these threads.


    But I am not forcing anyone to do anything, or to accept anything. I sit on the fence politically, I do not belong to one party, unlike yourself; not having a go there either, but there is a fundamental diffrence. If Mr McCain was to stand up all of a sudden in support of this thing called "Gay Marriage", I know with out any doubt, it's because he has been pestered to, or his daughter has just been able to take advantage of an old mind, that is becoming weak with age; we call that alder abuse down here. I don't want his support if it has become about my force, I'm happy to have it, if it comes from his heart. Saying and" I'll keep putting pressure on him" is way more than a discussion.

    Our Last Conservative leader John Howard, may not of supported this thing Called "Gay Marriage", as it's un australian. Yet this does not mean he was anti homosexuality; and I know he was not! Since so many people call it Gay Marriage, and not just marrage they have already givern it a diffrent name so why not move away from the word marriage altogether? I myself love the sound of Civil Unions; I could vote for that.[/quote]
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    Jan 29, 2010 2:58 AM GMT
    Meghan McCain is now guilty of elder abuse for trying to change her father's mind on gay marriage? From what orifice are you pulling this stuff?
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    Jan 29, 2010 3:02 AM GMT
    heartrobb saidMeghan McCain is now guilty of elder abuse for trying to change her father's mind on gay marriage? From what orifice are you pulling this stuff?
    Some minds are so scarred by homophobia they will probably go to the grave with it. Sometimes you just have to ignore them.
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    Jan 29, 2010 3:14 AM GMT
    MunchingZombie> This is a rather complicated issue and a single sentence sound bite saying "full and total equal rights by March" is just lip service.

    Honey, the march was last October! icon_eek.gif
    Don't even think of trying to use capitolization as an out. icon_wink.gif

    See how everyone expects Obama to perform miracles and if he doesn't, he "stumbled"?


    heartrobb> Trying to get him to see her side of an issue is hardly taking away his freedom of speech. She is discussing an issue with him. Kind of like what we do in these threads.

    When it comes to some people, I'm almost more concerned with freedom from insanity.

    pattison> If Mr McCain was to stand up all of a sudden in support of this thing called "Gay Marriage", I know with out any doubt, it's because he has been pestered to

    So you admit that you are "pestering" us to change our minds about what we think about Meghan McCain talking intelligently with her dad about issues?

    By your own "logic", pattison, every time you post (e.g. pushing "Civil unions") you are "pestering" all other RJers.
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    Jan 29, 2010 3:22 AM GMT
    Guys, guys, guys, in America, human rights is a partisan issue.
  • Mepark

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    Jan 29, 2010 4:53 AM GMT
    Can you please explain the title of your thread because I don't see how the video you posted supports it.
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    Jan 29, 2010 5:13 AM GMT
    Well, I wouldn't say he stumbled... while I would say it isn't the "perfet answer" of full marriage equality (or what I would like to hear) I would had smiled and say "fair enought" and, by the way, much much better that the status quo.
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    Jan 29, 2010 5:15 AM GMT
    metta8 said
    Meghan McCain: Dad Coming Along on Gay Marriage


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    Meghan McCain spoke at the University of Florida on Wednesday night, where she said her anti-gay marriage father was "coming along" on the issue: "He's 73 years old. It's difficult. I keep telling people, 'You continue putting pressure on President Obama, and I'll continue putting pressure on my father.'"


    http://advocate.com//News/Daily_News/2010/01/28/Meghan_McCain_Dad_Coming_Along_on_Gay_Marriage/[/quote]

    I love that gal.