Why oh why do they do it?

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    Jan 12, 2008 4:59 PM GMT
    I mean gay men voting for repukes even though they hate gays and would have us all locked up if they could get away with it.

    And also gays in the military, why the fuck would you want to be a part of a club that dont even want you and fighting for a country that turns round and calls you a pervert just for being who you are!icon_rolleyes.gif

    Well I just dont get any of it. I hate the repukes and would never lift a finger to fight for this country for as long as I live.
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    Jan 12, 2008 5:11 PM GMT
    Unbelievable that people would go against themselves like that.

    I especially agree with serving in the military. They should quit and let the military figure out how to replace them. They would be defending freedom more to stand up for it here at home.
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    Jan 12, 2008 9:53 PM GMT
    It will always be a mystery to me, but I have some Republican friends (go back a long way, lots of other things in common, so I like them even if) and I think the basic thinking is, "I'm rich and well-connected; when the Rebublicans attack gays they don't mean people like me." Empathizing with the problems of others is not universal among gay men.

    Other guys found jobs with Republicans in Congress and so align with them, of plan on going home and running for office someday themselves -- after all, if you are an out and proud Democrat you don't have a butterfly- in-a-blender's chance of getting elected in a lot of districts.

    Can't defend 'em, can only try to explain 'em.
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    Jan 12, 2008 10:18 PM GMT
    nytramfilms saidAnd also gays in the military, why the fuck would you want to be a part of a club that dont even want you and fighting for a country that turns round and calls you a pervert just for being who you are!
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    or being part of a religion that thinks you are the devils work
  • himuratiger

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    Jan 12, 2008 10:21 PM GMT
    While part of the republican platform is to make their idea of marriage the only legally binding kind, there are still other reasons to vote Republican. People who favor a strong government, more 2nd ammendment freedoms, and capitalistic intentions tend to vote Republican, and some gay guys certainly fit this bill. Not that I'm saying I would vote that way, but I'm playing devil's advocate. ;-)

    Joining the military is a different story alltogether. For one thing, it's a job, and a steady one at that if you watch what you say and where you say it. It has a lot of downsides to it, but it's a great pick-me-up for any man down on his luck in employment, and I've known it to make at least more disciplined men out of total scumbags. It helps pay for college and can be a great gateway to civilian career opportunities. In addition, some gay guys feel a sense of allegience to their country and have a desire to protect and serve it. While the don't ask don't tell policy sucks, it at least is a safeguard. As long as you don't tell, they (hopefully) won't ask.

    So there you have it. There's probably alot of better arguments for these points than what I've been able to come up with, but I hope it helps answer your questions as to why one gay guy may think differently from another.
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    Jan 12, 2008 11:16 PM GMT
    Not wishing to be hurtful or insulting to my gay Republican friends, but. . .

    Even assuming one's agreement with Republicans on other issues. . . how can any gay person possibly be part of an institution noted for its hostility toward gay people? Marginalizing us at every opportunity? Many of its members regard us as sub-human; to be a gay Republican, it seems to me, requires at least a bit of self-loathing. . . or, to put a better spin on it. . . maybe they just need to think it through a little more.

    I mean, really. . . doesn't the Republican promise of a tax cut look pretty insignificant compared to what they would immediately deny us, if given the chance?

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    Jan 12, 2008 11:18 PM GMT
    Well guys I have to say I have to agree except on the part about hating "repukes" don't have energy for that !!! LOL !!! To show why I agree, here's an example from a conservative republican site that I purposely "infiltrated" just to see what these nuts think and what they have to say, and I love frustrating them by my liberal comments, "FREEDOMS WATCH" is the name of the site. I got an email yesterday with the subject line stating that "do you know what the liberals are afraid of the most?" Then the article goes on to say that Liberals are scared to death of the activist conservative voter. Then the writer asks for the reader to take a conservative census, and return it for their apparent propaganda efforts. Here are some of the questions, and as you say, how in the hell can a gay man be a repugnican as caslon calls them, --- Here's some of the ?'s #2. are you in favor of a government takeover of the nations health care system so beaurocrats would set the prices for the insurance premiums. they ask for a Yes, No, or, No opinion answer, with no qualifications allowed. The last question was Do americans want higher taxes, anything-goes moral values, retreat on the war on terror, and foreign policy dictated by the UN? and again, only an aswer of Yes, No, and No opinion with no qualifications allowed. The other questions were all obviously biggoted, including one about giving 12 to 20 million illegal aliens "AMNESTY". THES PEOPLE ARE CRAZY and such BIGOTS that they are dangerous. We progressive Dems. have a lot of work ahead of us !!!
  • GQjock

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    Jan 13, 2008 11:55 AM GMT
    I don't attempt to understand it
    But I see it as a larger issue that has to do with the conservative thought process in general

    People who describe themselves as republicans in general are voting against their general interests

    the blue collar worker who votes republican...votes that way even though they are Very anti-union

    the republican soccer mom...votes republican even though they are very anti-female and work against the interests of the middle class

    minorities like hispanics and blacks who vote republican
    I won't even go there because the evidence how anti-minority the republicans are is so black and white

    but the Log Cabins and gays in general who vote republican are even harder to understand
    how you can divorce yourself from the animosity they have against gay men esp is beyond me
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    Jan 13, 2008 2:55 PM GMT
    Not every republican is anti-gay, anti-female (how'd you think that up?)

    Not every religion hates gays. Lets see, United Church of Christ, UU, Episcopalians?, many more etc....

    Some of you need to stop being dumb and generalizing.

    It's sad so many republicans have to pander to the religious right. Hopefully they can leave those dirtbags behind one day.
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    Jan 13, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
    Trance23 saidNot every republican is anti-gay, anti-female (how'd you think that up?)

    Not every religion hates gays. Lets see, United Church of Christ, UU, Episcopalians?, many more etc....

    Some of you need to stop being dumb and generalizing.

    It's sad so many republicans have to pander to the religious right. Hopefully they can leave those dirtbags behind one day.

    They pander to the religoius right because THEY are the ones who spend all their time going door to door supporting the repukes, and spreading lies about gays!

    Now if only ALL liberal americans who are the majority! would get up off their ass and vote then the repukes would/could never win.

    The religous right ALLWAYS vote and that is why repukes keep on winning.
  • GQjock

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    Jan 13, 2008 5:03 PM GMT
    Trance ....

    and not every bird flies either
    What is the republican platform on gay interests?
    ...on gay marriage?
    on gays in the military?

    and with women
    What's their stance on equal rights in the work place?
    on the choice issue?

    and if you can name more than the number of pro-gay republicans than you can count on one hand I'd call that a miracle worthy of raisin' Ronnie Reagan from the dead!
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    Jan 13, 2008 5:25 PM GMT
    I'm going to come at the question from LDWM's summary:

    Even assuming one's agreement with Republicans on other issues. . . how can any gay person possibly be part of an institution noted for its hostility toward gay people?

    The fact is, many of us on this site are already part of an institution known for its hostility toward gay people: American Society. There are plenty of Democrats who don't think we should have the right to marry, for example. Of course, things are much better now than they were only ten years ago, but homophobia is still very easy to find.

    The military is just one part of that society, and if gay people want to join up, then they should have that right. If gay people could serve in the military, we'd all be one step closer to the dismantling of institutionalized homophobia in the US; the best antidote to homophobia, after all, is being out. Straight people who serve would see that many of the things they heard about gays were lies. The political/religious right knows that, and that's why they're so dead-set against lifting the ban.

    I can't agree with himuratiger who thought "People who favor a strong government" tend to vote Republican. Since Ronald Reagan at least, the fundamental philosophical equation of the Republican party has been government=bad, especially federal government, and that notion has its roots in Barry Goldwater's presidential platform in the mid-60s. Part of the rationale for that is a preference for state sovereignty (which has, in turn, been used to resist Civil Rights). They think open competition and private organizations will always do things better than the government. Believing that the government is ineffective and ineffectual is a self-fulfilling principle, as the response to Katrina demonstrated.
  • ShawnTX

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    Jan 14, 2008 3:25 AM GMT
    My first reaction is to agree with a few of the peoples opinions on this. But then I stopped and thought about it for a bit, and it turns out, I don't agree so much.

    I couldn't imagine what it would be like to be gay and in the military, whether out or in the closet. I don't understand how some people can manage it. But, it's those types of people that makes change in this world. Yes, the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy sucks, but if it wasn't for gay men and women fighting for thier right to serve their country, that policy wouldn't exist, and they would be worse off. Sometimes change happens slowly, but at least it's happening.

    Besides, I'm sure many of them don't define themselves by their sexuality. If they have a calling to serve, that is something they should follow. They may face hardships we could never imagine, but in the end they may be happier for it, for following their dreams. If serving is their calling, why should they think, 'I can't serve because I'm gay.'?

    It's the same with some religions, or christian denominations. If it weren't for those individuals fighting for their place, perhaps many welcoming religions would not be so welcoming now.

    As for voting Republican (or Conservative here in Canada), I will say I have a hard time understanding that. Since we live in a democracy, I'm sure there are other ways to make change politically rather than aligning yourself with a political group traditiionally opposed to your lifestyle.

    Some may not agree with me, and that's fine. I love debates. I would never put down someone who shares my beliefs, calling them dumb, or something like that. That would just make me sound unintelligent and juvenile, someone without a relevant thought, but yet still wanting to be heard.
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    Jan 14, 2008 3:29 AM GMT
    I vote for whoever I think is best for a position. Democrats love us for our votes so far...they have let us be compromised time and time again...scapegoating women and gays and blacks and letting our concerns be secondary over and over again. It's sad but true that even that spineless wishy washy approach to policy is better than being under a republican 9 times out of 10 but whatever.

    Even after all of that, I love this country and what it could become for me and my generation. Were I fit enough I might consider enlisting in the national guard but I am not. I don't care what the people around me are and someday they won't care about what I am but what we all would care about is america's safety and that's something that enlisting can ostensibly help you in securing.

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    Jan 14, 2008 3:43 AM GMT
    WastingAwaynNc saidWere I fit enough I might consider enlisting in the national guard but I am not. I don't care what the people around me are and someday they won't care about what I am but what we all would care about is america's safety and that's something that enlisting can ostensibly help you in securing.


    I wish that were true. Defending our country ought to be one of the finest ways to serve the country, but in my lifetime the military has been used again and again to engage in wars that have no bearing on our real national security; these have all started out as petty little conflicts that blew up into multi-year disasters. We hear all the time about "supporting the troops" and to the extent that means hoping for them to get home safely, sending cards and care packages, and seeing them successfully treated for injury, as well as helping them re-integrate as civilians at the end of their duty, I am all for it.

    However, the phrase "supporting the troops" has a much more sinister context lately. It means agreeing with the disgusting premises that sent them over there in first place; it has been used to mean "shut the hell up with your commie dissent", and other forms of repulsive uses. So, I suppose it depends on who's doing the talking whether I "support" the troops or not.

    I wish this wasn't the case.
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    Jan 14, 2008 3:47 AM GMT
    jprichva said
    I wish that were true. Defending our country ought to be one of the finest ways to serve the country, but in my lifetime the military has been used again and again to engage in wars that have no bearing on our real national security; these have all started out as petty little conflicts that blew up into multi-year disasters. We hear all the time about "supporting the troops" and to the extent that means hoping for them to get home safely, sending cards and care packages, and seeing them successfully treated for injury, as well as helping them re-integrate as civilians at the end of their duty, I am all for it.

    However, the phrase "supporting the troops" has a much more sinister context lately. It means agreeing with the disgusting premises that sent them over there in first place; it has been used to mean "shut the hell up with your commie dissent", and other forms of repulsive uses. So, I suppose it depends on who's doing the talking whether I "support" the troops or not.

    I wish this wasn't the case.


    Me too...hence the use of the word ostensibly. Most people enlist altruistically though, they are first american soldiers and second politically opinionated. The people are beautiful, wonderful people with good hearts. I wish that the army hadn't been so politicized and only used for the noble causes that we can all believe in.