A RJ member involved in HATECRIME

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    Jan 30, 2010 11:29 PM GMT
    Take time to read, msg if the RJ members in their inbox if you have some meaningful advice!

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    Hate Crime on 2 gay military VETERANS in ChicagoShare
    Today at 4:06pm

    On 1/29/2010, I was assaulted by an african-american male in the entryway of the Jewel grocery store, located at 1210 N Clark. My partner and I walked into the store holding hands around 11pm-12am. We were going to buy some snacks. While walking in the door there were three african american men standing in the entryway making it difficult to enter the store. While walking in, I accidentally brushed up against one of the men and he immediately became confrontational and angrily vocal. He had an outburst with "You better watch the fuck where you goin". I replied with "sorry but you were blocking the door" then proceeded into the store after me. That is when my partner came between both of us and told him to calm down, at which point the man yelled "get the fuck out my face, faggots". He then pushed my partner, Ira Lee, aside and punched me in my face. Ira recently finished his enlistment in the military as a Security Forces Military Policeman and has 6 years of experience with law enforcement and security procedures. After I was assaulted, Ira immediately subdued the man and stopped him from continuing the actions that led up to him assaulting me. When the officers (who happen to be African american) arrived on scene I was treated as a suspect and not as a victim. I was force out of the store after the officer may or may not have drawn a weapon I was half conscience. The other officer was a black female, and she kept Ira separated from me while I was being ordered onto my knees with my hands on my head, while not in view of any other persons. I dont remember anything from that time on until i was at my home, however there were bruises all over the back and sides of my head. During this time, Ira was trying to tell the female officer to stop the man who led the assault. That man was getting up and walking very quickly away, toward the subway. Meanwhile, she refused to listen to Ira as he was begging her to stop him and control the scene. Furthermore, she refused to even listen to what happened, and instead asked if we lived nearby. These officers then told me to walk home half conscious with head trauma. They refused to any of the necessary actions after an incident involving a 9-1-1 call, and an assault. After arriving at my apartment, Ira called the police to my home to try to get anyone to take a police report and the officers refused to help or take report from us and when the supervisor came he also refused to help saying there isn't he could or would do. The only option he offered was to go back to the scene of the crime and look for the man who fled after assaulting me. After the officers left, I then took appropriate pictures and documentation. By this time, my head was throbbing, my ear was severely swollen, and I still felt incoherent. My partner and I then went to the hospital's ER to ensure no serious injuries had taken place. The diagnosis ended up being that I suffered from multiple blunt-force traumas to the head with no serious brain injury, HOWEVER the attacker only hit me ONE time in the left side of my face. All the other marks and damage was unaccounted for since I was unable to remember and Ira was not able to see what happened to me.

    The jewel failed to provide a safe environment for customers allowing a group of people loitering in the entryway and the Chicago police failed to do their job to PROTECT and serve just because we are a couple of, and I quote "faggots". Please help me! I feel disgusting... like less of a human. As if I am somehow not safe in my own neighborhood.... not just from the everyday people but from the men and women who are sworn to provide for my safety on the streets. I am not trying to get anything out of this. I would just like for people to be held accountable for their actions. I feel this is a severe disservice to the public, but more importantly to two recent veterans who expect to be safer in their own streets than in prior miltiary deployments.

    I spoke already with Bob Chahoski, Jim lobianco, Lisa at The center on halsted, and I filed a complaint with Internal Investigations.

    Still today I don't have a police report. I was told to try to contact Officer Jose Rios a gay rights supporter and police officer in the 23rd district. I am still trying to contact him.

    I documented pictures of my head and what not, however I dont have the police officers names from that night. No other information was provided to us to identify the police officers involved. I have several witnesses from my apartment building who were present as the police refused to do their job.

    At this time, I would just appreciate any help you can offer me. I am at a loss right now. I'm not sure what else I can do.
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    Jan 30, 2010 11:46 PM GMT
    Well, hindsight is always 20/20 ...things may have gone very differently if you both had shouted, "I'm gay and got assaulted" when the officers first arrived. They can't stop others from hearing, and they know this.

    Keep trying to contact officer Jose Rios. We had adrenaline surges just reading your post, and know how you feel.

    Hang in there, kid!


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    Jan 31, 2010 1:02 AM GMT
    I'm so sorry to hear this and I pray that the wounds heal and justice will be served. It sounds like a nightmare come true. Not just the assault, but being treated as a suspect while the criminal escapes.

    I don't have any advice on what to do, but it looks like the RJ member involved is taking the right steps to rectify the situation.
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    Jan 31, 2010 1:05 AM GMT
    Oh d'oh, we're so stupid! lol, sorry Ricovelas..we thought this happened to you! Advice still stands - please pass it on to your friend along with our heart-felt commiseration.
  • outkast1728

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    Jan 31, 2010 1:19 AM GMT
    STUPID FUCKING POPOS!!!!!!


    They not only deserve to lose their job but be beaten in the same way they beat up this guy and his partner.

  • stu1

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    Jan 31, 2010 1:23 AM GMT
    I don't know if it's of any help but maybe there's a security camera in the entry way of the store that could have caught it on tape. Good luck.
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    Jan 31, 2010 1:28 AM GMT
    I would keep on the police and if they keep insisting "theres nothing they can do" i would take my story to the local news and cnn if i had to. The main thing i think that hurts you is not getting the officers names that were involved in the situation. if ira knows, i would get all my information together, documented and present my case.

  • Jan 31, 2010 1:35 AM GMT
    Unfortunately the world sucks, things like this happen a lot but not just with gay people. Sometimes you have to throw the rule book out the window when it gets you no where and take matters into your own hands at the time and defend yourself at all costs.
  • DrobUA

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    Jan 31, 2010 1:36 AM GMT
    I am hard to piss off and this shit infuriates me. First off Chicago police force is a joke. My older sister (a 30 year old teacher) lives there and has had many problems with crooked cops there. You should have gotten their badge numbers (I'm not saying it's your fault, the chaos of the situation is enough to rattle anyone). Grrrr now I'm frustrated.
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    Jan 31, 2010 1:44 AM GMT
    Italianstalian saidUnfortunately the world sucks, things like this happen a lot but not just with gay people. Sometimes you have to throw the rule book out the window when it gets you no where and take matters into your own hands at the time and defend yourself at all costs.



    Isn't that the tagline to "Gran Torino"?

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    Jan 31, 2010 1:45 AM GMT
    Keep pursuing this case. Someone will listen. Stay with it.
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    Jan 31, 2010 2:02 AM GMT
    Yea Danny told me about it when I got in. The police were useless fucks probably corrupt as hell . Have to try to get the numbers of the officers who filed the report.

    Keep at it bro, and I'm so sorry that shit happened to you. you're a good guy and don't deserve that kind of shit.

    Tim's a bit worried bro, so you have to talk to him too icon_sad.gif
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    Jan 31, 2010 2:05 AM GMT
    Hate crimes are a federal offense these days. I might think of giving a call to the local DOJ or FBI office. You might not get anywhere, and then again you might.

    There is obviously going to be video surveillance. That ought to corroborate your story and fill in the holes.

    If you're serious about this you need an attorney.
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    Jan 31, 2010 2:11 AM GMT
    meninlove said Oh d'oh, we're so stupid! lol, sorry Ricovelas..we thought this happened to you! Advice still stands - please pass it on to your friend along with our heart-felt commiseration.


    Didn't happend to me to a friend of my here on RJ....
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    Jan 31, 2010 2:15 AM GMT
    Ricovelas said...I replied with "sorry but you were blocking the door"...

    If you had just left the "but..." off, none of this might have happened. Or asked to be allowed to pass and excused yourself for "bothering" him. One doesnt just push his way by someone. That is rude.

    Just saying.
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    Jan 31, 2010 2:31 AM GMT
    CONTACT A GOOD LAWYER!
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    Jan 31, 2010 2:32 AM GMT
    May God help us!!!! What the hell happens to " hate crime law". I am sorry this happen to you. I don't go out late at night.
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    Jan 31, 2010 2:40 AM GMT
    Fuck the 5'Oh!! I fucking hate cops!!! ESP minority cops they act so fucking dumb
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    Jan 31, 2010 2:46 AM GMT
    Forgive me if I sound like an alarmist, but isn't it kinda irresponsible to be publishing someone elses name in a thread about being a victim of a gay-hate crime, especially if the guy(s) is just out of the military?

    I guess, I'm thinking under the current "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, could it affect their veteran benefits if someone were to read this and "out" them to the military?

    I might be totally off base.....just wondering....icon_question.gif
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    Jan 31, 2010 4:37 AM GMT
    Oh Chi-town...
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    Jan 31, 2010 4:43 AM GMT
    Caslon13000 said
    Ricovelas said...I replied with "sorry but you were blocking the door"...

    If you had just left the "but..." off, none of this might have happened. Or asked to be allowed to pass and excused yourself for "bothering" him. One doesnt just push his way by someone. That is rude.

    Just saying.


    You're kidding. It's HIS fault? Wow.
    For one thing, he said he touched him, not pushed his way by, and so what if he had. Does the punishment fit the crime?

    Don't judge victims with "if" and "might."
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    Jan 31, 2010 5:28 AM GMT
    A terrible shame.
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    Jan 31, 2010 5:41 AM GMT
    It sucks that people can't even feel safe going to pick up a gallon of milk. You've always got to look over your shoulder to see what's coming at you. There are people out there who specialize in victim advocacy. My best suggestion would be to try to find someone to speak with, who is willing to listen to your side of the story and relay the information to the appropriate authorities. A mental health counselor or a social worker who specializes in glbt issues might be an appropriate channel. There are people out there who do care and who are willing to help. Hopefully your friend won't keep running around in circles trying to get the police to hear his side of the story because they won't budge as long as it's coming from him. It's still a sad sad world we live in.
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    Jan 31, 2010 6:04 AM GMT
    Get the security footage, make a complaint. End the careers of those fucking bigoted shitty cops.
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    Jan 31, 2010 6:06 AM GMT
    Absolutely DISGUSTED!!! I am saddened to read this has happened to you and it may not be easy, however STAY ON THEM! DO NOT LET THIS GO!!!