77% of Self-identified repubs don't support gay marriage.

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    Feb 03, 2010 2:17 PM GMT
    From Joe.My.God

    Daily Kos/Research 2000 poll of self-identified Republicans, here are the Yes/No/Unsure percentages of a few of the poll's questions.


    Should Obama be impeached? - 39/32/20
    Was Obama born in America? - 42/36/22
    Is Obama a socialist? - 63/21/16
    Is Obama an anti-white racist? - 31/36/33
    Should your state secede? - 23/57/19
    Should gays be in the military? - 26/59/19
    Do you support gay marriage? - 7/77/16
    Should gays be allowed to teach? - 8/73/19
    Should schools teach creationism? - 77/15/9
    Do you think abortion is murder? - 76/8/16
    Do you support the death penalty? - 91/4/5

    Many more questions and the demographic breakdowns can be found at the above link.
  • DCEric

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    Feb 03, 2010 2:57 PM GMT
    None of this is a suprise, except:

    Should schools teach creationism? - 77/15/9

    For which I am glad to see.
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    Feb 03, 2010 2:57 PM GMT
    You believe that schools should teach creationism?
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    Feb 03, 2010 3:24 PM GMT
    If so, whose creation story do you think they should teach?
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    Feb 03, 2010 3:28 PM GMT
    They forgot a key figure that explains the IQ gap ..
    Only 6 percent of Scientists are republicans icon_redface.gif teheehee

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/10/only-six-percent-of-scien_n_229382.html
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    Feb 03, 2010 3:30 PM GMT
    Shocking numbers. Those poll results look like they come from 1952.
  • DCEric

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    Feb 03, 2010 3:46 PM GMT
    McGay saidYou believe that schools should teach creationism?


    Oops. I misread the Question. I thought that said "shouldn't". It must have been wishful thinking.
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    Feb 03, 2010 3:50 PM GMT
    Phew!
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    Feb 03, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    It's easy to take a survey like this and make it look one way or another but seriously, loaded questions, poor demographics and bad geographical breakdown. 89% of those polled were white, southern folks with over 1/3 being over 60 yrs old. The most liberal areas of the country were polls as a total of 26 states with only 36% participants vs 12 southern states with 42% participants. Seems a little skewed to me. Give me a breakdown of just the 18 - 44 yr olds for the same questions.

    You could do the same with democrats and questions related to social issues that they are passionate about such as legalization of marijuana, same sex marriage, abortion, social welfare spending. I

    It's all about the questions, how they're worded and who you ask.
    Demographics
    MEN 1125 56%
    WOMEN 878 44%
    WHITE 1787 89%
    OTHER/REF 216 11%
    18-29 178 9%
    30-44 418 21%
    45-59 664 33%
    60+ 743 37%
    NE 217 11%
    SOUTH 846 42%
    MW 437 22%
    WEST 503 25%

    GEOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN:

    Northeast:
    DC, ME, VT, NY, MD, PA, CT, DE, MA, NH, RI, WV, NJ
    South:
    FL, NC, SC, AL, MS, GA, VA, TN, KY, LA, AR, TX
    Midwest:
    IL, MN, MI, OH, WI, IA, MO, KS, IN, ND, SD, OK, NE
    West:
    NM, CA, OR, WA, AK, HI, MT, ID, UT, NV, AZ, WY, CO
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Feb 03, 2010 4:14 PM GMT
    How many here have actually been polled? I think polls are a crock of crap!
  • DCEric

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    Feb 03, 2010 4:16 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidHow many here have actually been polled?


    I have. Oh wait, you meant being asked questions about my opinion. No he really didn't seem that concerned with my opinions. icon_twisted.gif
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    Feb 03, 2010 4:16 PM GMT
    eb925guy saidIt's easy to take a survey like this and make it look one way or another but seriously, loaded questions, poor demographics and bad geographical breakdown. 89% of those polled were white, southern folks with over 1/3 being over 60 yrs old. Give me a breakdown of just the 18 - 44 yr olds for the same questions.

    You could do the same with democrats and questions related to social issues that they are passionate about such as legalization of marijuana, same sex marriage, abortion, social welfare spending. I

    It's all about the questions, how they're worded and who you ask.
    Demographics
    MEN 1125 56%
    WOMEN 878 44%
    WHITE 1787 89%
    OTHER/REF 216 11%
    18-29 178 9%
    30-44 418 21%
    45-59 664 33%
    60+ 743 37%
    NE 217 11%
    SOUTH 846 42%
    MW 437 22%
    WEST 503 25%

    GEOGRAPHIC BREAKDOWN:

    Northeast:
    DC, ME, VT, NY, MD, PA, CT, DE, MA, NH, RI, WV, NJ
    South:
    FL, NC, SC, AL, MS, GA, VA, TN, KY, LA, AR, TX
    Midwest:
    IL, MN, MI, OH, WI, IA, MO, KS, IN, ND, SD, OK, NE
    West:
    NM, CA, OR, WA, AK, HI, MT, ID, UT, NV, AZ, WY, CO


    I don't know the breakdown of these subsets of the republican party, but I'm willing to guess that the numbers polled fairly accurately reflect the breakdown of the party itself.
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    Feb 03, 2010 4:25 PM GMT
    McGay saidI don't know the breakdown of these subsets of the republican party, but I'm willing to guess that the numbers polled fairly accurately reflect the breakdown of the party itself.
    I think the party itself most likely has a very large variant between locations in the country. No disputing that republicans in general are extremely 'conservative' and on social issues are ignorant, backwards and generally, in my opinion, uninformed however, it would seem to me that the demographics select skew the results to emphasize a result to influence others in the party. I think the reverse could be shown if the democratic party did a survey heavily weighed in NY, CA and other large metropolitan states where social issues are viewed more as the big picture rather than from a bubble.
  • Sebastian18

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    Feb 03, 2010 4:27 PM GMT
    Oh wow! Seriously, this poll must have been taken - I don't know - in the 1930's.

    I weep for my species sometimes and really wish the decent/middle-road Republicans would do something about the whack-jobs in their ranks.
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    Feb 03, 2010 4:29 PM GMT
    Cindy and Meghan McCain can't take on the whole cave-full.
  • Mepark

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    Feb 03, 2010 4:32 PM GMT
    Why the hell would they ask "Do you believe Obama should be impeached?" or "Do you think Obama wants terrorists to win?" That sounds like something that would only come from a person who believes those to ask them. Doesn't sound like credible poll.
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    Feb 03, 2010 4:33 PM GMT
    DCEric said
    CuriousJockAZ saidHow many here have actually been polled?


    I have. Oh wait, you meant being asked questions about my opinion. No he really didn't seem that concerned with my opinions. icon_twisted.gif



    I said "polled", not to be confused with "pole dancing" icon_lol.gificon_lol.gif
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    Feb 03, 2010 4:40 PM GMT
    Newsweek took a poll and only 31% of Americans support gay marriage, however the poll also shows there is increasing support for legally sanctioned gay unions with 55% supporting this. I don't think gay marriage will ever pass in this country, but as long as gays can have legally sanctioned unions and have the same rights as marriage, it doesn't really matter to me whether we get to use the word "marriage" or not for our gay unions. As long as we have the same rights in gay unions, I really don't care, if they won't let us use the word. It's just a word. The most important thing is the right to have a legally sanctioned gay union with the same rights as marriage. That's really all that matters as far as I am concerned.

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/172399
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    Feb 03, 2010 4:45 PM GMT
    hardonguy said I don't think gay marriage will ever pass in this country


    What is it with everyone on this site and these all encompassing statements. (What I did there, you should see it).

    Seriously though. Why do people say "never". That is an awfully long time for something to remain exactly as it is. Unless I missed something, marriage equality is allowed in this country, although in geographically limited areas. However, 10 years ago (that would be Y2K), it was unimaginable that things would get this far this fast.

    So what I am asking is: why all the negativity?
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    Feb 03, 2010 4:46 PM GMT
    People are for the most part stupid.
    Accept that and life become a little easier.
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    Feb 03, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
    Mepark saidWhy the hell would they ask "Do you believe Obama should be impeached?" or "Do you think Obama wants terrorists to win?" That sounds like something that would only come from a person who believes those to ask them. Doesn't sound like credible poll.


    It is an extremely credible poll

    The spokesperson for Daily KOS who's always on MSNBC with Keith O. explained this poll in great detail the other night. The whole point of the question related to impeachment has absolutely nothing to do with the current political environment. It reflects the true ignorance and lemming mentality of the majority of those who identify as being Republican (59% of them if you lump together "Yes" and "Unsure").

    Do the research and look into the poll's methodology. If you understand anything at all about market research and polling, you'll appreciate the time and effort that went into this particular poll.

    I'm not saying it's infallible - because no poll is - but it's an excellent example of how polling should be done. I'm no sociologist, but the demos and geos are spot on.
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    Feb 03, 2010 5:15 PM GMT
    And in other shocking news, people breathe air.
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    Feb 03, 2010 5:18 PM GMT
    From Gallup's research, we know the percentage of each age demographic identifying themselves as Repulican**:

    20 to 29 year olds: 32%
    30 to 49 year olds: 42%
    50 to 64 year olds: 38%
    65+ : 41%

    We can then multiply those percentages by the U.S. population in each group:

    20 to 29 year olds: 32% x 41918018* = 13413765
    30 to 49 year olds: 42% x 40568238* = 17038659
    50 to 64 year olds: 38% x 53742399* = 20422111
    65+ 41% x 37942411* = 15556388

    Adding up the amounts, we get an estimate for the total number of Republicans in these age groups of 66430923

    Dividing each group's population estimate by 66430923 (the total number of Repubs) yields the age breakdown of people currently identifying themselves as Republicans.

    Percent of total Repubs by age demographic:
    20 to 29 year olds: 20.2%
    30 to 49 year olds: 25.6%
    50 to 64 year olds: 30.7%
    65+: 23.4%

    Although the survey you're citing doesn't use the same age breaks, it's substantially skewed towards the older demographic:

    18 to 29 year olds in the Daily Kos survey: 9%
    30 to 44 year olds in the Daily Kos survey: 21%
    45 to 59 year olds in the Daily Kos survey: 33%
    60+ year olds in the Daily Kos survey: 37%

    I've worked in research for quite a while and with this much skew, I'd have to state that this is pretty much garbage research not worthy of citation. That's not to say that the conclusions might not be coincidentally accurate. It's just to say that this survey doesn't accurately represent the population size well enough to draw conclusions from the data.

    By the way, one of the surest ways to LOSE a research job is to say "I don't know ... but I'm willing to guess...". The point of research is to reduce uncertainty, not to promote it.


    * Annual Estimates of the Resident Population by Sex and Five-Year Age Groups for the United States: April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2008 (NC-EST2008-01) Source: Population Division, U.S. Census Bureau.

    ** Results are based on telephone interviews with 7,139 national adults, aged 18 and older, in Gallup polls conducted January-April 2009. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±1 percentage point.
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    Feb 03, 2010 5:20 PM GMT
    reppaT said
    It is an extremely credible poll

    The spokesperson for Daily KOS who's always on MSNBC with Keith O.

    icon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif Well, say no more -- it MUST be TRUE! icon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif
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    Feb 03, 2010 6:21 PM GMT
    I think I was in this poll. I remember being asked these questions 2 weeks ago over the phone, but it was an automated machine asking these questions (Press 1 for Yes, etc..). I did answer honestly, but some of the questions asked were ridiculous. I never talked to a real interviewer so it might not of been this poll but those same questions I was asked.

    My answers:
    Should Obama be impeached? - Unsure (If he's not an American Citizen than yes.)
    Was Obama born in America? - Unsure (How am I suppose to know without a shadow of a doubt. I'm not his mother, and don't have his original birth certificate. Prior to presidency there were news documents and other reports indicating he was born in Kenya apparently. So who knows besides him and his family?)
    Is Obama a socialist? - Unsure (Once again how can I really know?)
    Is Obama an anti-white racist? - Unsure (^)
    Should your state secede? - No
    Should gays be in the military? - Yes
    Do you support gay marriage? - Yes
    Should gays be allowed to teach? - Yes
    Should schools teach creationism? - Unsure (I believe they should teach kids about all different kinds of religious beliefs, but not from a "matter of fact" viewpoint.)
    Do you think abortion is murder? - Yes (I'm ok with abortion only if it's done within the first month)
    Do you support the death penalty? - No

    I don't think Polls will ever be accurate, not everyone is honest in them, especially when it comes to giving out your real information. So...I would take it with a grain of salt. Judging by the poll data I guess I'm not that much of a republican after all. lol