Gay Soldiers.

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    May 16, 2007 10:43 PM GMT
    I'm gay and in the military and I was wondering what is your stand on homosexuals in the military?
    "Gay soldiers need to shoot straight, not be straight." Hillary Clinton 2003
  • mcwclewis

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    May 17, 2007 12:11 AM GMT
    Good quote...

    I think its stupid to prevent people from protecting their country, for any reason.
  • BlackJock79

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    May 17, 2007 12:23 AM GMT
    I'm all for it. I don't think it's anyone's business who the next man/woman is with in the privacy of their own home. I think gays in the military should be allowed to be out of the closet and be themselves. I was in the Air Force and I have a friend that is still in that is gay. I had to hide my sexuality the entire time I was in the Air Force, luckily I'm masculine so it wasn't much of a problem but I still wish that I was able to openly like guys and let it be known that I like guys. Maybe I would be out of the closet right now if I was able to start my "gay life" sooner...
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    May 17, 2007 2:31 PM GMT
    i just wish they didn't have to hide being gay- im from Annapolis, MD, and was raised near the naval academy. on fridays, there would be hundreds of middies at the annapolis mall... all of them tall, strong, and gorgeous- especially in ther uniforms. i had girlfriends in school who'd snag middies as dates to prom and stuff, and i was always so jealous- i always wanted a midshipman as a boyfriend, but though i know gay ones exist, you'd never know it. huge sexual frustration lol
  • BlackJock79

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    May 17, 2007 11:33 PM GMT
    Almost any kind of military man is hot. I was in denial when I was in the military and I was stationed at a Special Ops base... FUCKIN-A, hot men galore! I used to have a hard-on every minute of the day that I was awake. And don't get me started on the men in the base gym... All the muscular combat troops walking around in their uniforms that were too tight because of all their muscles... why, oh why didn't I stop lying to myself and start sleeping with men back then? LOL, I can only imagine the men in Annapolis... and I'm a sucker for a white guy in uniform too... I think I need to log off and watch some porn. LOL
  • GQjock

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    May 18, 2007 12:45 AM GMT
    Gays in the military is a silly topic...for them to grouse about
    we've always been there...we're there now and we'll always be there
    they need to get over their stupid frat house boys club mentality
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    May 18, 2007 3:44 PM GMT
    My stand on the toppic is a big THANK YOU!! Thank you to all of our LGBT sisters and brothers for all they do in the military.

    I see soldiers on the news all the time returning home from the war. You see straight soldiers and their loved ones reuniting at the aiports and on the docks when the Navy ships come in. I never see gay couples reuniting. It's very sad to me.

    I also saw a report on the news of gay civilians on a separate side of the docks waving rainbow flags as the ships headed toward the main docking area, in honor of the returning LGBT soldiers.

    Again, thank you.
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    May 20, 2007 12:13 PM GMT
    I think the problem with gays in the military is that the "old" dogs are still running the military. These are people that think that there is a "liberal" agenda and do understand that the United States is supposed to be a free country...with freedom of speech, freedom or religion, and freedom of expression. The military by its very nature discourages anything that is free form, so-to-speak.
    I think a lot of the younger people know gays, aren't afraid of gays, and understand the difference and are tolerant of gays. But, when you have idiots like Jerry Falwell going around spouting off that gay people are responsible for the decline in morals in this country and especially for Sept 11 bombing...well, what do you expect? I am all for gay people who want to serve their country.
  • SkyMiles

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    Jun 03, 2007 1:28 AM GMT
    I can't believe how our illustrious government has discharged rare arabic translators in the military just because they were gay. I mean, my GOD, there's lives and national security at stake, and they're going to kick valuable intelligence assents to the curb just because of their sexuality?!
    It's ridiculous!
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    Jun 03, 2007 2:57 AM GMT
    Great quote. But Hillary never said it. It was Barry Goldwater.

    My, how the conservative movement has changed track since his time!
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    Jun 03, 2007 6:14 AM GMT
    Hard to believe that, as Sec. of Defense some 20 years ago, it was Dick Cheney who said that the reasons for banning gays from the military were "old chestnuts" (too bad he didn't do more than just say that).

    Another great quote, by Leonard Matlovich:

    "When I was in the military, they gave me a medal for killing two men, and a discharge for loving one"


    Colbert_Nation> discharged rare arabic translators in the military just because they were gay

    Still better than what would happen to gay Arab soldiers in an Arab military, but still makes you wonder how different we are (or at least the religious right is) from "them" (the Islamic fundamentalist terrorist enemy). Which I think was Tommyboy10's point.
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    Jun 03, 2007 11:45 AM GMT
    I think it's cool !
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    Jun 03, 2007 3:35 PM GMT
    i spent 7 years active duty in the USAF. i think the policy against gays is about as brilliant as prohibiting people with blue eyes since blue eyes might stand out more than brown eyes.

    it's the mentality of someone that got their bowels misdirected and their sh*t fills up their head and comes out of their face instead of their ass.
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    Jun 03, 2007 6:43 PM GMT
    Serving in Active Duty, the large majority of the guys and girls out there could care less. However many straight men have a tendency to show off by proclaiming thier heterosexulity by bullying others with gay-hateful terms. The policy will fall eventually, maybe even soon. I'll be out by then, but many of my brothers and sisters will be relieved.
  • docbailey2005

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    Jun 03, 2007 6:53 PM GMT
    I spent 20 years in the reserves and did my time in Iraq. I don't think people should be able to serve openly gay in the military. Don't ask don't tell is a good policy far as im concerned. As with anything else in life what you do on your free time is your business. Given the mentality of many gay men i.e. judging men based on looks i find it deifficult many gay men in that environemtn can be fair based on merit.

    Bottom line is the work place is for work not flirting so if a guy/girl has the ability to focus on the mission at hand then sexual prefernece should be no issue.
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    Jun 03, 2007 6:53 PM GMT
    I spent 20 years in the reserves and did my time in Iraq. I don't think people should be able to serve openly gay in the military. Don't ask don't tell is a good policy far as im concerned. As with anything else in life what you do on your free time is your business. Given the mentality of many gay men i.e. judging men based on looks i find it deifficult many gay men in that environemtn can be fair based on merit.

    Bottom line is the work place is for work not flirting so if a guy/girl has the ability to focus on the mission at hand then sexual prefernece should be no issue.
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    Jun 04, 2007 4:01 AM GMT
    docbailey> Don't ask don't tell is a good policy far as im concerned. As with anything else in life what you do on your free time is your business.

    That seems a non-sequitur. Straight people can also do what they like in their free time... and can "tell" about it.


    docbailey> the work place is for work not flirting so if a guy/girl has the ability to focus on the mission at hand then sexual prefernece should be no issue.

    Right, neither their sexual orientation - nor talking about what they do in their free time - should be a benchmark.


    It humors me when people pretend that the military will start failing to function if gays/lesbians can serve openly. Last I heard, neither Canada (ok, not much of a litmus test) or Israel had any problems associated with this.
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    Jun 04, 2007 6:30 AM GMT
    I have a friend who is over there right now. I keep thinking about him, and my imagination is getting very gruesome. I will bottom out for anybody who wants to put himself in harm's way for the benefit of my freedom. I believe in reciprocity. A hot fuck is the least I can do, yes?

    Too much information?

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    Jun 08, 2007 4:21 AM GMT
    served my time in the armed forces. 8 years... and only out today because of medical reasons. I can see the point of the no gay rule but I dont agree with it. with the way things are now it just forces those that are gay and serving to shut the door and lock the closet they are forced into.
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    Jun 08, 2007 1:27 PM GMT
    Odd to me that any gay man or woman would want to defend a system that excludes him or her for the most part (although, yeah, it's changing). We ought to just form our own damned army and start demanding our due.
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    Jun 08, 2007 2:46 PM GMT
    I'm gay and in my third year of Army ROTC. Most of my guys in my unit know I'm gay and are great with it. The policy is probably going to change pretty soon, that's my view. I'll be relieved when it does though.
  • gymingit

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    Jun 08, 2007 4:39 PM GMT
    I am glad things are looking up and hope they change for the better and soon.

    I had fun while I was in... and many times thought I might have been caught. But hey... what fun....... and it was.

    LANCE
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    Jun 08, 2007 4:42 PM GMT
    personally i find it disturbing that some gay people agree with the "no gays in military" stance.

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    you don't use your cock to do your job, regardless of being gay or straight. it doesn't belong on the flightline nor in the office.

    what you do outside of work is your own business; who you date, who you sleep with, who you marry.

    it's entirely obvious that there are hundreds of thousands of homosexuals in the united states military forces by counting the number that have been found and kicked out. consider all those that haven't been found or haven't been kicked out.

    the number of homosexual disturbances in the military is incredibly low. let's pick on "rednecks" and "grunts" now. seems that they sure get into a lot of barfights, get busted fucking married wives, etc etc.

    since they are actually doing criminal and injurious things, why aren't we sending them to leavenworth and/or kicking them out by the scores?

    ahhh, right. you can beat a guy bloody and maim him or even kill him and still server "honorably" in the military. but kiss a guy or -think- about a guy, and hey, you're ass is grass.

    that's some damn fine upstanding honorable thinking there.

    docbailey:

    mentality of homos? excuse me, but which military were you in? there's a boatload more ass suckups and pandering for promotions going on in the straight world than you're ever going to find by homos.

    been there, saw that, lived that. and that's why i got out. i was utterly disgusted by the politics of rank promotion. your perf and test scores count for X, how well you suck the ass off your CO and etc is the big ticket to the next stripe or star.

    i have boxes of medals and awards and citations for the performance of myself and my crews. but i didn't leave as an e-9 because i wouldn't play the fucked up game of rank politics.

    how about based on looks. since the vast majority of members in the military are men and as far as i know, the vast majority of them size up a woman by her looks, seems to me we out to be kicking them out of the military for your reasoning.

    this whole thing about homo mentality in the military being unsuitable reeks highly of internalized self-hate.

    been there, done that, served proudly, honorably, decorated, and highly respected and i'm a 100% full blown cock sucking ass fucking homo and never a day been confused about it or in denial.

    you don't need me to be an example, there are thousands and thousands of upstanding men and women discharged from the military for being gay that are more honorable, ethical, respectable and a lot of other shining traits than most of the members of the armed forces.

    such talk is disgraceful to the true meaning and spirit of our flag and for every drop of blood shed for it.

    our president and administration may be one of the most hateful lying crooked group of people that ever ran our country, but so help me God, I love my country and the flag above it. this administration may have buried it so deep in sewage that it seems like it's next door to hell, but -some- of us believe in the values that ALL men and women of this country deserve every bit of freedom and respect equally.

    America is the land of -us-

    not the land of the hateful bigots only.

    numerous countries have homosexuals in the army and it's entirely a non-issue.

    it's entirely fucked that you can go to prison for gay sex in the military but slaughter civilians left and right in iraq, plant weapons next to them, call them insurgents, and get decorated.

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    Jun 08, 2007 5:34 PM GMT
    This is just astounding, DocBailey:

    Given the mentality of many gay men i.e. judging men based on looks i find it deifficult many gay men in that environemtn can be fair based on merit.

    You make an unproven assertion, implying that gay men discriminate in general on the basis of looks, and then apply the unproven assertion to those in military operations? I think you protest too much...I think YOU judge people on their looks, and therefore think that someone in the field would actually decide if their buddy is worth defending, on the basis of looks?

    In fact, I am not sure what the hell you are saying.

    Then you say this:

    Bottom line is the work place is for work not flirting so if a guy/girl has the ability to focus on the mission at hand then sexual prefernece should be no issue.

    This is another assertion, that gay men would be in the military to flirt. Are you out of your mind? But I am not sure what the last part of your sentence has to do with the first.

    Are you saying that if you are attracted to your buddy, you will be more worried about getting him to suck your dick than you will be defending yourself? Or your mission?

    Please. That all sounds so irrational, sorry to say.

    A person would have to be nuts to put himself in harms way just to get a date. That's what you are saying. It makes no sense...and it sounds like exactly the sort of propaganda we hear from the Bush administration and other right wing wackos.

    John
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    Jun 08, 2007 8:06 PM GMT
    You know, there's a bigger argument to be made about the current function of the US Military in terms of foreign policy, but that is quite beyond the scope of this issue (or is it...it's for me anyway, today).

    This "no gay" rule will eventually be seen as archaic as the one banning African Americans from serving in the armed forces: extremely backwards! One only need think about how many thousands of great soldiers the army misses out on because it officially refuses to recognize and support them. Whew! Then of course, there's the open secret that (sorry if this offends anyone) only a certain type of man enjoys living in close quarters with other men, sleeping next to them, wearing a uniform, and wielding phalic symbols. What angers me is that we even have to discuss these silly issues in 2007 when there are such bigger issues for the military to deal with (such as the issue of pre-emptive usage of nukes).

    2 cents, baby.