Dems Down on Defense of Marriage Act

  • metta

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    Feb 04, 2010 2:37 AM GMT


    Dems Down on Defense of Marriage Act



    http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Dems-Down-on-Defense-of-Marriage-Act-jw-59370302.html



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    Feb 04, 2010 2:47 AM GMT
    Half-measures and half-hearted support for gays. The Democrats haven't got the political balls nor the votes to overturn DOMA, especially after losing their 60-vote Senate super-majority thanks to Massachusettes. Whereas the Republicans are united, monolithic & fanatical in their anti-gay opposition. We gays cannot win in the foreseeable future. Thanks for your support, RJ Republicans. icon_sad.gif
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    Feb 04, 2010 2:55 AM GMT
    I tell ya, we need to stop supporting and voting for Dems. After they have lost their jobs, they might rethink not supporting those who kept them employed.

    I have supported and voted Dem for 40 years. They always had the excuse of not controlling the gov't. That is not the case now. They have no excuse and yet they still are not doing anything. Time to stop supporting them until they grow a backbone.
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    Feb 04, 2010 3:13 AM GMT
    Caslon13000 saidI tell ya, we need to stop supporting and voting for Dems. After they have lost their jobs, they might rethink not supporting those who kept them employed.

    I have supported and voted Dem for 40 years. They always had the excuse of not controlling the gov't. That is not the case now. They have no excuse and yet they still are not doing anything. Time to stop supporting them until they grow a backbone.

    But we gays are in the worst of dilemmas. Stop voting for Dems, and the Repubs take charge. And they want to deny us all rights, fire us from our jobs, evict us from our rentals, prevent us from naming our partners to inherit in our wills or even stand by their hospital beds when they die, dishonorably discharged from the military, and legally discriminated against in every possible way.

    We are between a rock and a hard place. Or perhaps I should say a soft place, given the spineless Dems, as you say. But what is our option?

    Our political friends are hardly friends at all, but should we therefore concede the field to our enemies that want to destroy us? I understand the argument that we need to get the attention of the Dems, but what attention is that?

    We are less than 5% of the vote, if that, because half of us mistakenly think voting Republican will help our bottom line (forgive the misplaced pun). Another percentage couldn't give a fuck, more interested in the inside of a gay club than the inside of a polling station.

    And if we let the Republicans grab power, in what my late mother would call "cutting off our nose to spite our face" what then? Anti-gay laws passed that would take decades to overturn, if ever, gays again exiled to prisons and back alleys. No thanks.

    What we need to do is grow our own, of gay Democratic politicians who will inject some backbone into the party. And not be afraid to say what needs to be said, not the wimpy non-leadership we have today. If we are in the right, and have a message to deliver, then deliver it, and stop this fucking enept political cowardice that marks both the Democratic Party, and gay leaders.
  • DCEric

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    Feb 04, 2010 3:44 AM GMT
    We also need to put pressure on Democrats, while still supporting them. I learned in school about incidents in places like Selma, Birmingham and Woolworth counters. Things that triggered a unified yelling across the nation. African-Americans marching on places and boycotting stores that denied them basic safety and rights.

    Some one was killed in Baltimore last week. What we need to do is march on City Hall. Camp out on the Holocaust memorial plaza (in from of city hall), fill up the jails. Bring the city to the brink of chaos. Make Democrats feel our anger that we are still second class citizens. Instead Equality Maryland has yet to, and likely will not, respond in any significant way.
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    Feb 04, 2010 3:49 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    Caslon13000 saidI tell ya, we need to stop supporting and voting for Dems. After they have lost their jobs, they might rethink not supporting those who kept them employed.

    I have supported and voted Dem for 40 years. They always had the excuse of not controlling the gov't. That is not the case now. They have no excuse and yet they still are not doing anything. Time to stop supporting them until they grow a backbone.

    But we gays are in the worst of dilemmas. Stop voting for Dems, and the Repubs take charge. And they want to deny us all rights, fire us from our jobs, evict us from our rentals, prevent us from naming our partners to inherit in our wills or even stand by their hospital beds when they die, dishonorably discharged from the military, and legally discriminated against in every possible way.

    We are between a rock and a hard place. Or perhaps I should say a soft place, given the spineless Dems, as you say. But what is our option?

    Our political friends are hardly friends at all, but should we therefore concede the field to our enemies that want to destroy us? I understand the argument that we need to get the attention of the Dems, but what attention is that?

    We are less than 5% of the vote, if that, because half of us mistakenly think voting Republican will help our bottom line (forgive the misplaced pun). Another percentage couldn't give a fuck, more interested in the inside of a gay club than the inside of a polling station.

    And if we let the Republicans grab power, in what my late mother would call "cutting off our nose to spite our face" what then? Anti-gay laws passed that would take decades to overturn, if ever, gays again exiled to prisons and back alleys. No thanks.

    What we need to do is grow our own, of gay Democratic politicians who will inject some backbone into the party. And not be afraid to say what needs to be said, not the wimpy non-leadership we have today. If we are in the right, and have a message to deliver, then deliver it, and stop this fucking enept political cowardice that marks both the Democratic Party, and gay leaders.


    I share your despair on this issue.

    Yes, the Democrats are seemingly the only source of hope for equality and yet they are incredibly weak on the issue. And the Republicans are nothing but an anti-gay army who literally go out of their way to oppress gay people in this country.

    Gay people have very limited political power in the USA and unfortunately our concerns are not vote winners. As such, the need for organizations like HRC and GLAAD becomes vitally important as they help articulate the horrendous LACK of EQUALITY in this country.
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    Feb 04, 2010 3:53 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    Caslon13000 saidI tell ya, we need to stop supporting and voting for Dems. After they have lost their jobs, they might rethink not supporting those who kept them employed.

    I have supported and voted Dem for 40 years. They always had the excuse of not controlling the gov't. That is not the case now. They have no excuse and yet they still are not doing anything. Time to stop supporting them until they grow a backbone.

    But we gays are in the worst of dilemmas. Stop voting for Dems, and the Repubs take charge. And they want to deny us all rights, fire us from our jobs, evict us from our rentals, prevent us from naming our partners to inherit in our wills or even stand by their hospital beds when they die, dishonorably discharged from the military, and legally discriminated against in every possible way.

    The Repuglicans arent going to do anymore to us than they already have. I have no fear of them. But we will get nowhere by taking an attitude that we must vote Dem. Let the Dems loose their jobs and see how quickly our interests become their interests. Let the sons-a-bitches fail!
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    Feb 04, 2010 3:54 AM GMT
    wondering2010 saidI share your despair on this issue.

    Yes, the Democrats are seemingly the only source of hope for equality and yet they are incredibly weak on the issue. And the Republicans are nothing but an anti-gay army who literally go out of their way to oppress gay people in this country.

    Gay people have very limited political power in the USA and unfortunately our concerns are not vote winners. As such, the need for organizations like HRC and GLAAD becomes vitally important as they help articulate the horrendous LACK of EQUALITY in this country.

    You state the problem very succinctly. Yet most gay organizations, like the ones you mention, are notably ineffective, indeed almost counterproductive. Whatever they touch turns to shit. So I don't know what we do. icon_question.gif
  • danielek

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    Feb 04, 2010 4:11 AM GMT
    You guys need to learn from Canada. Or, just secede a few select states and join Canada, and voila, instant gay marriage by federal law.
  • Anto

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    Feb 04, 2010 4:20 AM GMT
    The problem in the republican and democratic parties are the religious conservatives that have issue with homosexuality.
    Take Obama for example, you know the hope and change guy?:
    "I'm a Christian. And so, although I try not to have my religious beliefs dominate or determine my political views on this issue, I do believe that tradition, and my religious beliefs say that marriage is something sanctified between a man and a woman."



    This is the kind of problem that needs to be addressed, not republican or democrat allegiance arguing. I think there are good bits of ideology in both parties but the good is being obscured by what I said above.
  • Razzmaniac

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    Feb 04, 2010 4:25 AM GMT
    danielek saidYou guys need to learn from Canada. Or, just secede a few select states and join Canada, and voila, instant gay marriage by federal law.


    Good Ole USofA. . . Always behind everyone in the social culture. Everything is dictated by religon and very old school here. We will never be a socially progressive country. It is, has and always will be a conservative political rule regardless of who is in office. Why cant we learn from such countries like Germany, Canada, etc when it comes to gay acceptance?? Very ashamed of our political rule here. God forbid we ever had someone like Sara Palin in office. . look what she said at the VP debates when asked about gay marriage. She said she will learn to be more tolerant of homosexuals. WONDERFUL. . .tolerant. . .i think anyone who is elected has to learn to be more tolerant because nothing has ever changed. 3 of the biggest states with the largest gay communities cant pass a gay marriage law. California, NY and Florida. . . Somethings wrong with this picture.
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    Feb 04, 2010 4:43 AM GMT
    I'm sorry but I find all this teeth gnashing ridiculous. Obama has been in office for a year, during the worst economic crisis since the great depression, two wars, and - as other have noted - an entirely united Republican Party, which as as it's sole goal stopping any progressive legislation.

    Despite that, DADT is being moved on. And many other pro-LGBT things have come from this administration. I agree that the Dems need to "man up" but so does our movement, which is horribly disorganized, run by four rich white guys, and more concerned with blowing celebrities that play gay than actual equality.
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    Feb 04, 2010 4:48 AM GMT
    We were so courted by Democrats during 2008, much more than ever before, and so willingly turned over our money. The Dems know us Double-Income-No-Kids people have a lot to give. And it seems we haven't gotten much in return. I'm sick of hearing that they have other things to worry about right now- the economy, two wars, health care, etc. The economy was tanking and the same two wars were going on when during the campaign Democrats found all kinds of time to come and beg for our money. It seems to me that some of what the lgbt community wants is pretty easy compared to reforming health care or fixing the economy. Just vote to add lgbt language to existing non-discrimination laws on employment, housing, etc. Not everything we are asking for is as difficult as the marriage debate. Glaad and the HRC do not seem to be upset with Democrats to the same degree as many of us in the general lgbt community and seem to still be doing fundraisers for Democrats. Maybe it is time to start giving our money to groups that instead fight for us in courts. Maybe it is time to stop giving our money to Democrats to buy campaign ads and instead buy our own ads to change the minds of real people, kind of like what is done by Focus On The Family.

    I know I am not going to vote for a Republican in the midterm elections, but lately I have been talking to friends about the idea of not voting for anyone in the election. Simply go and vote on proposals and leave the candidate fields blank. What if millions of gays did this? Maybe it would send the message that we have grown tired of being taken for granted. We might be just under 5% of the population, but many candidates win by just a percentage or two over their rival. I also suspect that we probably have a better attendance record at voting polls than other groups that tend to vote Democratic.
  • Anto

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    Feb 04, 2010 5:51 AM GMT
    Christian73 saidduring the worst economic crisis since the great depression, two wars,


    Is it really that bad? Great depression? People liked Avatar apparently and donating to Haiti (besides the government).
    Two wars, it's not like World War II is it?
    We need to stop making excuses for people.
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    Feb 04, 2010 6:02 AM GMT
    heartrobb saidWe were so courted by Democrats during 2008, much more than ever before, and so willingly turned over our money. The Dems know us Double-Income-No-Kids people have a lot to give. And it seems we haven't gotten much in return. I'm sick of hearing that they have other things to worry about right now- the economy, two wars, health care, etc. The economy was tanking and the same two wars were going on when during the campaign Democrats found all kinds of time to come and beg for our money. It seems to me that some of what the lgbt community wants is pretty easy compared to reforming health care or fixing the economy. Just vote to add lgbt language to existing non-discrimination laws on employment, housing, etc. Not everything we are asking for is as difficult as the marriage debate. Glaad and the HRC do not seem to be upset with Democrats to the same degree as many of us in the general lgbt community and seem to still be doing fundraisers for Democrats. Maybe it is time to start giving our money to groups that instead fight for us in courts. Maybe it is time to stop giving our money to Democrats to buy campaign ads and instead buy our own ads to change the minds of real people, kind of like what is done by Focus On The Family.

    I know I am not going to vote for a Republican in the midterm elections, but lately I have been talking to friends about the idea of not voting for anyone in the election. Simply go and vote on proposals and leave the candidate fields blank. What if millions of gays did this? Maybe it would send the message that we have grown tired of being taken for granted. We might be just under 5% of the population, but many candidates win by just a percentage or two over their rival. I also suspect that we probably have a better attendance record at voting polls than other groups that tend to vote Democratic.



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  • DCEric

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    Feb 04, 2010 12:47 PM GMT
    Razzmaniac said


    Good Ole USofA. . . Always behind everyone in the social culture.


    Only on gay issues. The US is miles ahead of many European countries on race issues. Not to mention smoking in public and freedom of religion.
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    Feb 04, 2010 1:01 PM GMT
    Caslon13000 saidI tell ya, we need to stop supporting and voting for Dems. After they have lost their jobs, they might rethink not supporting those who kept them employed.

    I have supported and voted Dem for 40 years. They always had the excuse of not controlling the gov't. That is not the case now. They have no excuse and yet they still are not doing anything. Time to stop supporting them until they grow a backbone.



    Yep. And it's true on other issues as well. The DSCC kept calling me for donations, then one evening I answered and told them I'm not donating another cent until they remove Lieberman from the Caucus.
  • Razzmaniac

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    Feb 04, 2010 2:39 PM GMT
    DCEric saidRazzmaniac said


    Good Ole USofA. . . Always behind everyone in the social culture.


    Only on gay issues. The US is miles ahead of many European countries on race issues. Not to mention smoking in public and freedom of religion.


    TRUE. . to some points although in Germany, they have multiple parties and still allowed to have a Neo-Nazi political party. We still have to be extrememly politically correct without being front page of the news calling for someones head.
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    Feb 04, 2010 2:49 PM GMT
    Why is this news? The bill was introduced in September and has been in committee ever since. The article is from yesterday... almost four months after it was moved to a sub-committee.

    NBC sucks...
  • Mikeylikesit

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    Feb 04, 2010 2:58 PM GMT
    I dunno why gay guys are always so shallow.....Everything is ONLY about gay marriage. I for one, think there are far more grave issues than just gay marriage.
    I see taxes skying rocking, unemployment soaring....When are the politicians going to stop using escape goats & start conquering the real problems!!
    ITs all just diversionary tactics....Wasting time & tax payers money...Tax & spend...Whooo hoo....icon_twisted.gificon_evil.gif
  • Razzmaniac

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    Feb 05, 2010 12:18 AM GMT
    Mikeylikesit saidI dunno why gay guys are always so shallow.....Everything is ONLY about gay marriage. I for one, think there are far more grave issues than just gay marriage.
    I see taxes skying rocking, unemployment soaring....When are the politicians going to stop using escape goats & start conquering the real problems!!
    ITs all just diversionary tactics....Wasting time & tax payers money...Tax & spend...Whooo hoo....icon_twisted.gificon_evil.gif


    I dont think its so much that it has to be an important issue. . i think its more of a morals issue. Organized religon basically draws us as outcasts anyway, so to me, civil unions work just fine. Let the heterosexuals destroy the institution of marriage with the likes of britney spears and the many others that take the plunge the minute they move in with someone. Give us the civil unions and we'll show them who can make a better family.
  • Webster666

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    Feb 05, 2010 12:38 AM GMT
    metta8 said

    Dems Down on Defense of Marriage Act



    http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Dems-Down-on-Defense-of-Marriage-Act-jw-59370302.html






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