Feb 04, 2010 2:37 AM GMT
Dems Down on Defense of Marriage Act
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Dems-Down-on-Defense-of-Marriage-Act-jw-59370302.html
Caslon13000 saidI tell ya, we need to stop supporting and voting for Dems. After they have lost their jobs, they might rethink not supporting those who kept them employed.
I have supported and voted Dem for 40 years. They always had the excuse of not controlling the gov't. That is not the case now. They have no excuse and yet they still are not doing anything. Time to stop supporting them until they grow a backbone.
Red_Vespa saidCaslon13000 saidI tell ya, we need to stop supporting and voting for Dems. After they have lost their jobs, they might rethink not supporting those who kept them employed.
I have supported and voted Dem for 40 years. They always had the excuse of not controlling the gov't. That is not the case now. They have no excuse and yet they still are not doing anything. Time to stop supporting them until they grow a backbone.
But we gays are in the worst of dilemmas. Stop voting for Dems, and the Repubs take charge. And they want to deny us all rights, fire us from our jobs, evict us from our rentals, prevent us from naming our partners to inherit in our wills or even stand by their hospital beds when they die, dishonorably discharged from the military, and legally discriminated against in every possible way.
We are between a rock and a hard place. Or perhaps I should say a soft place, given the spineless Dems, as you say. But what is our option?
Our political friends are hardly friends at all, but should we therefore concede the field to our enemies that want to destroy us? I understand the argument that we need to get the attention of the Dems, but what attention is that?
We are less than 5% of the vote, if that, because half of us mistakenly think voting Republican will help our bottom line (forgive the misplaced pun). Another percentage couldn't give a fuck, more interested in the inside of a gay club than the inside of a polling station.
And if we let the Republicans grab power, in what my late mother would call "cutting off our nose to spite our face" what then? Anti-gay laws passed that would take decades to overturn, if ever, gays again exiled to prisons and back alleys. No thanks.
What we need to do is grow our own, of gay Democratic politicians who will inject some backbone into the party. And not be afraid to say what needs to be said, not the wimpy non-leadership we have today. If we are in the right, and have a message to deliver, then deliver it, and stop this fucking enept political cowardice that marks both the Democratic Party, and gay leaders.
Red_Vespa saidCaslon13000 saidI tell ya, we need to stop supporting and voting for Dems. After they have lost their jobs, they might rethink not supporting those who kept them employed.
I have supported and voted Dem for 40 years. They always had the excuse of not controlling the gov't. That is not the case now. They have no excuse and yet they still are not doing anything. Time to stop supporting them until they grow a backbone.
But we gays are in the worst of dilemmas. Stop voting for Dems, and the Repubs take charge. And they want to deny us all rights, fire us from our jobs, evict us from our rentals, prevent us from naming our partners to inherit in our wills or even stand by their hospital beds when they die, dishonorably discharged from the military, and legally discriminated against in every possible way.
wondering2010 saidI share your despair on this issue.
Yes, the Democrats are seemingly the only source of hope for equality and yet they are incredibly weak on the issue. And the Republicans are nothing but an anti-gay army who literally go out of their way to oppress gay people in this country.
Gay people have very limited political power in the USA and unfortunately our concerns are not vote winners. As such, the need for organizations like HRC and GLAAD becomes vitally important as they help articulate the horrendous LACK of EQUALITY in this country.
danielek saidYou guys need to learn from Canada. Or, just secede a few select states and join Canada, and voila, instant gay marriage by federal law.
Christian73 saidduring the worst economic crisis since the great depression, two wars,
heartrobb saidWe were so courted by Democrats during 2008, much more than ever before, and so willingly turned over our money. The Dems know us Double-Income-No-Kids people have a lot to give. And it seems we haven't gotten much in return. I'm sick of hearing that they have other things to worry about right now- the economy, two wars, health care, etc. The economy was tanking and the same two wars were going on when during the campaign Democrats found all kinds of time to come and beg for our money. It seems to me that some of what the lgbt community wants is pretty easy compared to reforming health care or fixing the economy. Just vote to add lgbt language to existing non-discrimination laws on employment, housing, etc. Not everything we are asking for is as difficult as the marriage debate. Glaad and the HRC do not seem to be upset with Democrats to the same degree as many of us in the general lgbt community and seem to still be doing fundraisers for Democrats. Maybe it is time to start giving our money to groups that instead fight for us in courts. Maybe it is time to stop giving our money to Democrats to buy campaign ads and instead buy our own ads to change the minds of real people, kind of like what is done by Focus On The Family.
I know I am not going to vote for a Republican in the midterm elections, but lately I have been talking to friends about the idea of not voting for anyone in the election. Simply go and vote on proposals and leave the candidate fields blank. What if millions of gays did this? Maybe it would send the message that we have grown tired of being taken for granted. We might be just under 5% of the population, but many candidates win by just a percentage or two over their rival. I also suspect that we probably have a better attendance record at voting polls than other groups that tend to vote Democratic.
Good Ole USofA. . . Always behind everyone in the social culture.
Caslon13000 saidI tell ya, we need to stop supporting and voting for Dems. After they have lost their jobs, they might rethink not supporting those who kept them employed.
I have supported and voted Dem for 40 years. They always had the excuse of not controlling the gov't. That is not the case now. They have no excuse and yet they still are not doing anything. Time to stop supporting them until they grow a backbone.
DCEric saidRazzmaniac said
Good Ole USofA. . . Always behind everyone in the social culture.
Only on gay issues. The US is miles ahead of many European countries on race issues. Not to mention smoking in public and freedom of religion.
Mikeylikesit saidI dunno why gay guys are always so shallow.....Everything is ONLY about gay marriage. I for one, think there are far more grave issues than just gay marriage.
I see taxes skying rocking, unemployment soaring....When are the politicians going to stop using escape goats & start conquering the real problems!!
ITs all just diversionary tactics....Wasting time & tax payers money...Tax & spend...Whooo hoo....
metta8 said
Dems Down on Defense of Marriage Act
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Dems-Down-on-Defense-of-Marriage-Act-jw-59370302.html