Bodybuilding and eating totally organic. Is anyone doing this successfully?

  • silverfox

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    Feb 04, 2010 2:17 PM GMT
    So I just watched Food Inc. last night and I woke up today wondering....can it be done successfully? Eating organic AND bodybuilding? How difficult would it be to do?

    I am not talking about eating healthy, or eating as a vegan or a vegetarian (which you can be without eating organic foods). I want to know out there if there are any success stories based on a totally organic diet.

    If this is YOU, and you choose to respond maybe you can share what your definition of an organic diet is.....just so I know we are on the same page....

    Thanks guys!
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    Feb 04, 2010 2:32 PM GMT
    i saw food inc also and it made me want to only eat organic stuff, but those products are EXPENSIVE!!! a regular cucmber is 68cents, an organic cucumber is 2.50!

    I'm not an expert on bodybuilding but I'm assuming you would just bulk up on all the protein u can get and eat organic but eat alot of it. I know people who get all their protein from their diet and not shakes.

    **edit, i meant protein from its natural state not diet
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    Feb 04, 2010 2:36 PM GMT
    Yes, I eat organic. ...and have greatly improved my body....from middling obese to same physique rating as my personal trainer. Added muscle. ...and lost weight without really dieting by not eating processed foods. Avoid anything with a label is the easy rule of thumb. ... icon_wink.gif

    You can check my profile to see my physique chart and me flexing.
  • silverfox

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    Feb 04, 2010 3:08 PM GMT
    Caslon13000 saidYes, I eat organic. ...and have greatly improved my body....from middling obese to same physique rating as my personal trainer. Added muscle. ...and lost weight without really dieting by not eating processed foods. Avoid anything with a label is the easy rule of thumb. ... icon_wink.gif

    You can check my profile to see my physique chart and me flexing.



    Thanks Caslon....may I ask....what is your definition of an organic diet??
  • WILDCARD73

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    Feb 04, 2010 3:22 PM GMT
    yes, but its very expensive
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    Feb 04, 2010 3:34 PM GMT
    SilverFox,

    May I ask why you didn't post your question to either the Bodybuilding or the Nutrition forum?

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    Feb 04, 2010 3:38 PM GMT
    Problem with organic is that there is a lack of empirical evidence that Organic is infact any different that conventionally grown. The difference is soil practices(which are changing in Conventional due to USDA policies), social practices (egalitarian access to food) and growing local (with the popularity of organics rising...this is no longer the rule since they need to be transported).

    Organics are a dietary choice based on ethics but there's no empirical evidence that suggests nutrition is better.

    As for the added expense, Organics are more resource intensive and require more labour. They are also grown on a smaller scale. This accounts for a good percentage of the price hike. Also organic farmers are often not eligible for subsidies because of their size or crop rotation. Just remember that business is business and they also have to make a profit. I know a few people farming Organic for profit... So caveat emptor (Spelling? My Latin is poor)
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    Feb 04, 2010 4:56 PM GMT
    silverfox1 saidSo I just watched Food Inc. last night and I woke up today wondering....can it be done successfully? Eating organic AND bodybuilding? How difficult would it be to do?

    I am not talking about eating healthy, or eating as a vegan or a vegetarian (which you can be without eating organic foods). I want to know out there if there are any success stories based on a totally organic diet.

    If this is YOU, and you choose to respond maybe you can share what your definition of an organic diet is.....just so I know we are on the same page....

    Thanks guys!


    Understand "organic" is a subjective marketing term that preys upon ignorance. All agriculture uses pesticides. There is no "organic" diet. That's all marketing sham.

    If you're concerned about the environment, food quality, and carbon footprint, more modern agricultural methods have a much better impact. I.e., stay away from the "organic" garbage. Modern farming methods are much better.

    Like agri-sci, above, I understand the science of farming. You're very ignorant if you think "organic" is somehow better. In many instances, it's WORSE, across a number of different metrics. You need to study up on agri-science so that you're better informed. E.g., modern, synthetic, pesticides, are more effective, requires less frequent application (meaning less diesel fuel is burned and less smoke put in the air), and have much less of a residual environmental impact that old style pesticides. Same thing with manure as fertilizer. Don't get conned by the marketing. Also, the nutritional value of the "organic" food is often LOWER because they don't have as many modern farming and transportation methods. KNOW YOUR FACTS.
  • Celticmusl

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    Feb 04, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
    WILDCARD73 saidyes, but its very expensive


    At my very best shape of my life at 32, 186 lbs, 10% bf, I had an extremely clean vegetarian diet and ate primarily organic(at the time it was called "natural" as well). There is protein drinks and mixes from organic and even vegan sources that are available.

    I would love to live that way consistently, but the exorbitant cost of such a lifestyle is something I haven't been able to maintain over the years.
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    Feb 04, 2010 5:51 PM GMT
    silverfox1 said
    Caslon13000 saidYes, I eat organic. ...and have greatly improved my body....from middling obese to same physique rating as my personal trainer. Added muscle. ...and lost weight without really dieting by not eating processed foods. Avoid anything with a label is the easy rule of thumb. ... icon_wink.gif

    You can check my profile to see my physique chart and me flexing.



    Thanks Caslon....may I ask....what is your definition of an organic diet??

    Food without pesticides, chemical fertilizers, antibiotics, and growth hormones.

    Thhis is where I shop: http://www.momsorganicmarket.com/retailer/store_templates/shell_id_1.asp?storeID=A6B40AE98C7842A98FC8DE4784880288

    I know you can't shop there but you can see the kind of food I mean by organic by reading about the kind of store.

    Also, check out the food list (on menu on left) on www.whfoods.com
    ...and their recipes. :-)
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    Feb 04, 2010 6:00 PM GMT
    If you shop at a store like Wholefoods, check the little sticker on the produce (not bar code). If it has a 5 digit number starting with a 9, then it is organic.
  • WILDCARD73

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    Feb 04, 2010 6:04 PM GMT
    Celticmusl said
    WILDCARD73 saidyes, but its very expensive


    I would love to live that way consistently, but the exorbitant cost of such a lifestyle is something I haven't been able to maintain over the years.


    I am fortunate to live in a downtown area where we have a farmers market, and i can get as much as i can from organic produce, baked goods, and fish for a lot cheaper price than Whole Food

    also at farmers market you get info from vendors to how to cook, or use a certain flour or grain that you are not familiar with

    i cannot get everthing organic, if i find it at a gorcery store at a reasonable price i would...

    also if you cook your own meals you would know what ingrediants you are putting, so you would stay away from the not so healthy ingrediants as possible


    also there are studies that show not everything thats not organic is bad,
    not everything at an organic store would be better than a regular store

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    Feb 04, 2010 6:04 PM GMT
    I'm a level 5 hyper-vegan won't eat anything that once contained a carbon atom or water molecule that belonging a living creature
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    Feb 04, 2010 11:50 PM GMT
    What I find funny is that the only reason we are able to debate this is because our ancestors became omnivores....which accelerated our brain development. All animals with higher intelligence are either carnivores or omnivores...Look at your teeth sometime guys...we are meant to eat meat. The issue is doing so ethically.
  • WILDCARD73

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    Feb 05, 2010 12:04 AM GMT
    agri_sci saidWhat I find funny is that the only reason we are able to we are meant to eat meat. The issue is doing so ethically.


    we are talking OR GA NIC
    not vegitarian or vegan
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    Feb 05, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
    MsclDrew saidI'm a level 5 hyper-vegan won't eat anything that once contained a carbon atom or water molecule that belonging a living creature


    Was covering a base despite the sarcasm
  • camfer

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    Feb 06, 2010 4:58 AM GMT
    Eating at home I eat nearly exclusively organic food. Eating out is a rare thing for me, but when I do I find it's nearly impossible to eat organic. I lift weights but I would not call myself a bodybuilder.

    For you in Orlando it would be very easy to eat almost totally organic. Find a natural grocery coop as they tend to have the most organic foods. Next try the farmers market where you can talk to the growers directly. Finally the larger natural grocery chains tend to have some organic produce, but you have to be very diligent in your purchases. Don't think that just because you're in a natural foods store that everything is organic. If the PLU number on the produce starts with a 9, it's organic. Read the signage and the labels. If you buy in bulk organic is much cheaper. But I imagine food has a shorter shelf life in a hot humid environment such as yours.

    Organic food has been proven to be higher in certain nutrients, taking less energy to produce, and using safer farm inputs, in study after study. The organic naysayers simply haven't done the research before making blanket statements. If you want to read up on organic agriculture, see my other postings on that topic on this website. I have grown certified organic for a living for over a decade, so I have to know the realities of it to keep my certification.
  • silverfox

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    Feb 06, 2010 11:42 PM GMT
    LikeableGuy saidSilverFox,

    May I ask why you didn't post your question to either the Bodybuilding or the Nutrition forum?



    NOTE FROM THE OP:

    Of course you may ask me likeable guy! The "All Things Gay" forum is kind of a "catch all" for a lot of different subjects from entertainment, politics, bodybuilding, matters of the heart etc. I know of many guys who really only have the time to read this particular forum. I am one of those guys! Besides this and the tennis forum I don't really go into much else on here. After seeing the movie, I knew the topic was surely covered in the other forums you mentioned, but I wanted to expose it to others....and get the opinions from some of my buds here and others like me that don't peruse the entire site.

    Hope that answers the question. Gentlemen, I thank you for your comments.

    Great to see different views. At the end of the movie they list some of the things that you should be doing and one that stuck in my mind is....

    Only eat fruits and vegetables that would normally be available in the season you are in...meaning nothing genetically engineered.

    I also heard that the director of the movie was quoted as saying "Do not eat any cereal that changes the color of the milk in the bowl.

    That would be very bad news to anyone who is Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs icon_biggrin.gif
  • camfer

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    Feb 07, 2010 7:19 AM GMT
    silverfox1 said

    Great to see different views. At the end of the movie they list some of the things that you should be doing and one that stuck in my mind is....

    Only eat fruits and vegetables that would normally be available in the season you are in...meaning nothing genetically engineered.

    Genetically modified food currently in the grocery stores does not have a longer shelf life than non-GM food. The GM modifications typically are made so plants can work in industrial monocrop ag settings, such as herbicide resistance, insect resistance, disease resistance. So I am not really following your connection between seasonality and the lack of GMO.

    If you want to avoid genetically engineered food, eating organic is about the only way to accomplish this other than avoiding all food ingredients that possibly could be GM, because GM ingredients are not labeled as such.

    The main GMO crops are corn, soy, canola, cotton. They've spliced bacteria genes into corn/cotton so that when worms eat the corn the worms die. They also spliced in herbicide resistance so they can spray the fields with glyphosate while the corn/soy/canola is growing and most of the weeds die. Of course some weeds are developing resistance to this.

    Right now they're trying to get GM alfalfa (lucerne for you aussies) unregulated. The comment period at USDA is still open for a little while longer.

    There is some work being done right now to plant GM Eucalyptus in the southeast US as a timber crop. Unless you're a koala, you probably won't be eating that one.