Carbs? Good or bad for gaining muscle AND increasing definition?

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    Feb 06, 2010 3:48 PM GMT
    I used to be skinny, so I started eating more and lifting weights often. Now I'm more muscular and want to get bigger (in lower body, since I'm happy with my upper body size), but I want to have more definition all over. I want to have a body like one of those fitness models (not the very huge ones, but the ones that are muscular but not to the bodybuilder stage; sort of like Ryan Reynolds in some of his recent shirtless movie scenes). Yes, I know it sounds ridiculous to say that, but it's my goal, and I will work towards it no matter how long it takes. I like having something to work towards, no matter how far off it is. I have definition now, but want more and it seems that cardio is only getting me so far. I think perhaps the diet needs some tweaking.

    Anyway, do I need to eat more carbs to get bigger (in my lower body, I'm happy with upper)? Or do I need to cut them out to get more definition? Can I get very defined while still eating carbs? Can both of these things be done at the same time?

    Motivation is never a problem and I can stick to any diet if I know it's getting me to my goal, but I do like bread and eating sandwiches, so if I could not cut out those things I'd prefer not to.

    Sorry if someone else has already asked these questions!
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    Feb 06, 2010 6:31 PM GMT
    Gaining definition and bulking up are nearly impossible to do at the same time.

    If you want bigger legs you're going to have to eat more calories than you take in. If you want more definition you're going to have to cut fat... which means you're going to have to burn more than you take in. See where it gets tricky?
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    Feb 06, 2010 7:14 PM GMT
    More food = bigger.
    Less food = smaller.

    We have no idea what your diet composition is now, and haven't evaluated it, so, common sense dictates that we have no idea whether you need more carbs, or not.

    Definition is related to body fat levels. You can be 100 pounds and defined (tiny), or you can be 300 pounds (large) and defined. Being defined without any muscle, on a guy, makes you look like you're starving, and lazy.
  • WILDCARD73

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    Feb 06, 2010 10:04 PM GMT
    you can try spray paint to emphesize defenition... lol
    they do that for movies and mags
  • trl_

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    Feb 06, 2010 10:08 PM GMT
    WILDCARD73 saidyou can try spray paint to emphesize defenition... lol
    they do that for movies and mags


    It doesn't look like he needs any spray paint at all lol
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    Feb 08, 2010 6:56 AM GMT
    Thanks for the responses. Yeah, with my diet now I just maintain the same weight. I never really lose weight on this diet, and I don't gain weight either. Every day I just have cereal, a few sandwiches or hamburgers, some fruit and then maybe a steak or grilled chicken with salad for dinner. And also a protein shake or two. As far as the building muscle... I always do cardio several times a week, often on the same days that I do weight lifting, and I managed to get more muscular on my upper body. So are you saying that if someone is trying to bulk up (or just get more muscular legs) that they shouldn't bother doing any cardio because that will be counter productive? What if it just burns fat and not the muscle? Or does it burn both? Or that they shouldn't expect to get much lower body fat % while eating more to gain muscle in their lower body? It seems like soccer players and cyclists have great muscular toned legs, and they exercise all the time.


    GwgTrunks saidGaining definition and bulking up are nearly impossible to do at the same time.

    If you want bigger legs you're going to have to eat more calories than you take in. If you want more definition you're going to have to cut fat... which means you're going to have to burn more than you take in. See where it gets tricky?
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    Feb 10, 2010 4:25 PM GMT
    What leg work do you currently do?
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    Feb 10, 2010 4:29 PM GMT
    mach01 said with my diet now I just maintain the same weight. I never really lose weight on this diet, and I don't gain weight either. Every day I just have cereal, a few sandwiches or hamburgers, some fruit and then maybe a steak or grilled chicken with salad for dinner. And also a protein shake or two.

    Me too.
    What's the solution if you don't want to lose definition?
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    Feb 27, 2010 9:29 AM GMT
    Lostboy saidWhat leg work do you currently do?


    I do squats, leg press, hamstring curl machine, quad extension machine, standing calf raise machine and am now starting to do lunges.

    Since I've been doing legs more regularly I have definitely noticed improvement, but it's very gradual.
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    Feb 27, 2010 12:04 PM GMT
    you look awesome the way you are but if your looking to get bigger lower body.
    squat and sumo deadlift heavy weight low reps eat more but i wouldn't eat excessive i'd try to maintain the definition you have now. my guess is your a hard gainer anyway.

    more heavy leg work will add size to upper body
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    Feb 27, 2010 5:52 PM GMT
    For me, reducing carbs, increasing lean protein and weight training rips me up quickly.
  • gaylynx

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    Mar 03, 2010 2:22 AM GMT
    I'd recommend you start to look at a few things to get the results you are looking for.

    First Diet:
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    You need to clean up your diet if you want to get results.

    You should increase your carb intake by about 500 calories a day. However, all your carbs need to be clean carbs. Cereal you get off the shelf is probably processed wheat product that is of little nutritional value. Look for Ezekiel cereal. It's a sprouted grain and a very clean carb. You should integrate brown rice and sweet potatoes as a primary source of carbs through out the day. Be sure to eat lots of greens, even though they don't provide much in terms of calories.

    Be sure you're eating enough meat based protein. It's been proven that you'll make better gains eating meat rather than from whey protein. There is a new brand of protein shake out there called Carnivor that's actually made from meat. I'd make sure that protein comprises 40% of your diet.

    Eat lots of good fats. Flax seeds, coconut oil (MCT) are good sources of good fat. Also check out Smart Balance butter. It's a special butter spread that's made from good fats.

    Make sure your diet is comprised of 50% carbs 40% protein 10% fats.

    Second Exercise:

    If you want definition you need to keep up the cardio. However, you should switch to really low intensity long duration cardio. Get on an elliptical machine and turn on your favorite show for an hour. Use minimal effort. Don't get your heart rate up to cardiovascular levels. Keep it in the fat burning zone. Most machines have sensors that measure that. Be sure to do your cardio AFTER your weight training. That way you'll burn fat instead of glycogen.

    As for weight training the lower body, be sure you're doing dead lifts. That is the best thing you can do to give your butt and hamstrings definition. Personally, I do dead lifts everyday. It's a personal preference, but nothing shapes the butt like it. It's also part of the core, because you use the muscles you'd naturally use lifting heavy things. So in my opinion if you had a physical job you'd essentially be doing the same thing.

    Good luck!

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    Mar 04, 2010 6:48 AM GMT
    carbs are bad for gaining muscle, i'll just leave it at that.
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    Mar 04, 2010 7:16 AM GMT
    Guys, none of us know enough about his current diet and exercise regimen to give him any specific advise.....I'm with Chucky there!

    Dude your upper body looks fantastic and has changed majorly in the 2002/2007 photos. If you've maintained the 2007 look (or anything close to that) and you are doing the exercises you've listed for legs, then they can't be that bad (no photos of your legs, so can't tell).

    For all we know you might just need some good intense leg workouts for a while to bring them up to where you want.

    That's all I'd say as a trainer at this point with the information provided.