bulking and cutting?

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    Feb 06, 2010 11:33 PM GMT
    Just wondering out of the muscular realjocks.....


    Who gains weight and then cuts down, and who tries to gain it the lean way?


    Over what time frame, months?, years? Traditional sep-apr/may?


    How much do they usually gain in one go before cutting down?

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    Feb 07, 2010 1:07 AM GMT
    This is an interesting question, and I'd love to hear from the knowledgeable.
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    Feb 07, 2010 1:09 AM GMT
    Well I.... oh, "knowledgeable".


    Anyway, I'm striving for a lean approach with just eating balanced and working out, though I occasionally slip up and help myself to like 6 Nanaimo bars.. I'd also be interested in what others got to say.
  • Brian888

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    Feb 07, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
    Check out this article titled the Truth About Bulking. It could be very helpful for you.

    http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_truth_about_bulking
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    Feb 07, 2010 1:36 AM GMT
    makavelli saidWell I.... oh, "knowledgeable".


    Anyway, I'm striving for a lean approach with just eating balanced and working out, though I occasionally slip up and help myself to like 6 Nanaimo bars.. I'd also be interested in what others got to say.


    An occasional variance is not going to make a hill of beans.
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    Feb 07, 2010 1:38 AM GMT
    Brian888 saidCheck out this article titled the Truth About Bulking. It could be very helpful for you.

    http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_truth_about_bulking


    The article makes sense. Note, however, that for someone 200 pounds, he recommends 4064kcals. That's quite a bit of good food. Most guys can't even tell your what their caloric intake is, much less its composition.

    On my contest diet, I'll eat 3800 calories a day at 200.

    Most folks fail in getting more muscular because they don't eat. Nutrition is the key component.

    For getting big and strong, we're talking dense food...meat and potatoes. That's one of the reasons I weighed 175 in high school, and was not fat. It's all in the food.

    If you don't eat plenty of good protein, your gains will be poor. It's nearly impossible to make gains without meat. Fats aren't bad, either, as they're caloricly dense, but, fried food and fast sugars (too often) will make you fat. Going without eating will make you fat, too.
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    Feb 07, 2010 1:39 AM GMT
    chuckystud said
    makavelli saidWell I.... oh, "knowledgeable".


    Anyway, I'm striving for a lean approach with just eating balanced and working out, though I occasionally slip up and help myself to like 6 Nanaimo bars.. I'd also be interested in what others got to say.


    An occasional variance is not going to make a hill of beans.



    Haha that's what I call it too!
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    Feb 07, 2010 1:42 AM GMT
    The folks that fail are sometime quick to claim they didn't take a magic potion, etc., but, that's not the problem. It's almost always calories. Now, to be freaky, or to be REALLY, REALLY, big and lean...magic potions are required, but, most guys are capable of making gains if they eat enough good solid food and stay busy. If you're busy, you won't get fat.

    Bodybuilding is a cosmetic endeavor. It's not about being strong. It's all about appearance. To be good at that, you have to understand the human machine, and, its presentation.
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    Feb 07, 2010 2:53 AM GMT
    Brian888 saidCheck out this article titled the Truth About Bulking. It could be very helpful for you.

    http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_truth_about_bulking

    Thanks for posting this link. I've been telling guys here on the forums that bulking and cutting isn't the only way to get muscular. But most don't want to listen, and continue to make minimal progress.

    Besides, I don't know why anyone would want to only look good for a couple months in the summer, and look big and bloated the rest of the year. Proper eating and lifting should be a year round effort.
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    Feb 07, 2010 3:43 AM GMT
    The cult of "Bulking" -- it's powerful!

    A search for the word "bulk" turns up 202 RJ profiles.

    Let's be honest, guys who actually succeed in "bulking up" just end up fat and blobby. The progress pics always show it. And the progress pics of the mythical "cutting" phase? Always mysteriously nonexistent. This is great if you're one of those fat fetish guys, but you never hear that as the reason. Mostly its just guys who "want to get big" without any other goal, like how much of that weight the scale shows is fat or not.

    I also find it funny that guys actually ask about how to "bulk up." You need advice on how to get fat? I'll get you that instruction manual. It's right next to the one that tells you how to breathe -- you might need that as well.

    "But dude -- Ronnie Coleman bulked and cut, so you're obviously full of shit."

    Umm, yeah, sure I am.

    I never engage "bulkers." There's no reasoning with a cult member. I just watch them get fat, then watch again when they come back and whine about how their "cutting" isn't going well.
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    Feb 07, 2010 4:13 AM GMT
    LOL. Those darn "bulkers." Pigs, be they....

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    And, with a torn bicep...
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    Sure wouldn't want to eat to be muscular...SIC.

    Darn fat assess....

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    Feb 07, 2010 11:53 AM GMT
    iguanaSF saidThe cult of "Bulking" -- it's powerful!

    A search for the word "bulk" turns up 202 RJ profiles.

    Let's be honest, guys who actually succeed in "bulking up" just end up fat and blobby. The progress pics always show it. And the progress pics of the mythical "cutting" phase? Always mysteriously nonexistent. This is great if you're one of those fat fetish guys, but you never hear that as the reason. Mostly its just guys who "want to get big" without any other goal, like how much of that weight the scale shows is fat or not.

    I also find it funny that guys actually ask about how to "bulk up." You need advice on how to get fat? I'll get you that instruction manual. It's right next to the one that tells you how to breathe -- you might need that as well.

    "But dude -- Ronnie Coleman bulked and cut, so you're obviously full of shit."

    Umm, yeah, sure I am.

    I never engage "bulkers." There's no reasoning with a cult member. I just watch them get fat, then watch again when they come back and whine about how their "cutting" isn't going well.


    For reference that's about .1% of RJ

    And I mean come on, fine if you want to look like a gymnast/long distance runner, toned up with abs and a lil bit of arms, chest. Then yeah it's entirely possible to train and eat clean to do it year round. nothing wrong with it either it's a good look if it's what you want

    But if your looking to break say 200lbs under 6' 220lbs over 6' very very few people have the bodies to do that with out bulking/cutting cycles
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    Feb 07, 2010 6:27 PM GMT
    shivayer saidthe lean way. aerobics mixed in with weight training.


    I have to giggle. 160# at 5'11. I weighed 175 in high school. Keep doing what you do, and you'll stay the same....

    High intensity cardio training is a much better way to be more time effective in your training, and...improves your cardiac threshold.

    Train smart.
  • Celticmusl

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    Feb 07, 2010 6:44 PM GMT
    iguanaSF saidThe cult of "Bulking" -- it's powerful!

    A search for the word "bulk" turns up 202 RJ profiles.

    Let's be honest, guys who actually succeed in "bulking up" just end up fat and blobby. The progress pics always show it. And the progress pics of the mythical "cutting" phase? Always mysteriously nonexistent. This is great if you're one of those fat fetish guys, but you never hear that as the reason. Mostly its just guys who "want to get big" without any other goal, like how much of that weight the scale shows is fat or not.

    I also find it funny that guys actually ask about how to "bulk up." You need advice on how to get fat? I'll get you that instruction manual. It's right next to the one that tells you how to breathe -- you might need that as well.

    "But dude -- Ronnie Coleman bulked and cut, so you're obviously full of shit."

    Umm, yeah, sure I am.

    I never engage "bulkers." There's no reasoning with a cult member. I just watch them get fat, then watch again when they come back and whine about how their "cutting" isn't going well.




    Totally bogus. Most guys that I know from the gym that compete will bulk and cut. They have no intention at all to stay 4% BF their whole life. One guy usually loses a good 50 lbs before a competition as an all natural bodybuilder. I know one guy on here currently at 6% BF and has lost 75 lbs over the last year. I myself have been bulky the last few years but have already lost 3% BF while not losing a pound of weight. I will be beach shape by May and you will have your pictures. I am not whining or even talking too much about it. My friend on here never whines. We both love to just make a fitness goal and see what a clean diet and a dedicated gym routine can do!

    Of all the professional bodybuilders, most bulk and cut. When one does stay pretty much in good shape year'round it's pretty much newsworthy. Off the top of my head Lee Labrada comes to mind. Other than that, most bulk.

    Would I suggest to everyone they need to bulk and cut to gain muscle? No. To each his own and some folks can gain a lot of muscle without bulking. I can tell you I weighed 143 lbs in college when aerobics was very popular. I started lifting at the age of 25(again) and in 3 years I was at 186 lbs and 10% bf. At that age anyway, I didn't have to get fat, but I had to eat tons of protein and have a clean diet.
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    Feb 07, 2010 7:02 PM GMT
    chuckystud said

    Darn fat assess....

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    The blood vessels in your legs are trying to escape! I think your compression shorts are on too tight.
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    Feb 07, 2010 7:08 PM GMT
    Nope. My shorts aren't too tight. What happens is that when you workout regularly you get capillarization, and vascularization. I.e. the human machine that is your body adapts: the nerves get bigger, they fire harder, the muscles get bigger and contain more fluid, and your veins, arteries, and capillaries all get larger in order to accommodate the physical work you throw at them. In this shot, my veins were dilated (allows more blood to flow and lowers blood pressure) and I was "carbing up".

    Your heart, lungs,....body...have to be used, or grow old...out of shape...but...when you load them, they adapt. What you see is a common fitness adaption called improved cardiovascular health. It's easy to see here because I'm so lean.

    Your body isn't meant to rot away. It's meant to be used.
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    Feb 12, 2010 6:54 AM GMT
    Bulk and cut is for professional bodybuilders on steriods. Period. It is an old concept with a seed of truth. You are not going to make huge gains on a super strict diet. Build a brick house you need some bricks. But the old theory about gaining 50lbs. then cutting down? Gaining fat and losing fat does nothing for muscle. But eating like a bird and trying to be big does not work either. Eat enough to gain. In a gaining phase do not worry so much about calories. The body needs fat, protein and carbs to build muscle. Eat as much as you workout. But eating calories just to eat calories is silly and not productive.
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    Feb 15, 2010 9:20 PM GMT
    RuffJustice saidBulk and cut is for professional bodybuilders on steriods. Period. It is an old concept with a seed of truth. You are not going to make huge gains on a super strict diet. Build a brick house you need some bricks. But the old theory about gaining 50lbs. then cutting down? Gaining fat and losing fat does nothing for muscle. But eating like a bird and trying to be big does not work either. Eat enough to gain. In a gaining phase do not worry so much about calories. The body needs fat, protein and carbs to build muscle. Eat as much as you workout. But eating calories just to eat calories is silly and not productive.


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    Feb 19, 2010 8:48 PM GMT
    I'm just curious why the person who sneered at bulking and throwing insults at people who do it, just has to do it from the secrecy of his hidden profile...

    makes me wonder what they look like, since they seem to be so professional at spouting the science of exercise and movement...
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    Feb 21, 2010 6:33 AM GMT
    DIET: LOWER BODY FAT FIRST BEFORE BUILDING MUSCLE

    Toward the bottom of a very long article, Christian Thibaudeau says, in "The Truth About Bulking: is bulking up to gain muscle a good idea?, that it's better for men to diet down to a body fat of 10% or less before starting to build muscle.

    I never knew which way to go before on this question.

    This is the starting point for a bodybuilder's workout routine and diet planning. It comes first before any other decisions about whether to bulk & cut or to stay lean. Becoming and remaining lean builds muscle faster, of course.


    NUTRIENT PARTIONING: bodies with low body fat build muscle more quickly

    2. The leaner you are, the better your body becomes at nutrient partitioning. This means that lean individuals are more effective at storing the ingested nutrients in the muscle (as muscle tissue or glycogen) or in the liver (glycogen), and less effective at storing them as body fat. Simply put, leaner individuals can eat more nutrients without gaining fat.

    "Being lean makes it easier to stay lean and to gain muscle through better nutrient partitioning. Getting fatter makes it easier to gain more fat and harder to lose it."


    The Truth About Bulking: Is bulking up to gain muscle a good idea?
    (Christian Thibaudeau)
    http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_truth_about_bulking

    Thank you Brian888 for posting this tMuscle.com article.
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    Feb 21, 2010 9:59 AM GMT
    I'm a bit confused about the bulking and cutting debate. I don't follow specifically a programme to bulk and then cut but I do have times of the year when I definitely try to cut with concerted effort, e.g. before I know my body's going to be a bit more on show than usual (beach holiday, Gay Pride (!) etc.).

    Rest of the time, to maintain some sort of muscle growth (hopefully) while keeping abs if possible I think a general diet of high protein and controlled carb intake is good without being too obsessive, no?
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    Feb 27, 2010 4:26 PM GMT
    The Truth About Bulking: Is bulking up to gain muscle a good idea?
    (Christian Thibaudeau)
    http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_truth_about_bulking

    I think the article does a good job of describing what anyone who initially comes across the bulk and cut idea would think/do, but I don't think it takes into account what the goals of doing it probably are.

    Most of my friends who use it are very particular about how/what they eat and workout during the bulk and cut phase. Their bulk diets are high protein, high fiber, moderately high carb, and low saturated fat, and many of them will supplement with arginine. They eat constantly throughout the day, to keep insulin high (as it's a growth hormone as well as a sugar modulator). Amino acids are a particularly good natural stimulant for GH (especially arginine, which is not a hoax, it's actually used in the clinic to test for GH deficiencies), and growth hormone helps to build muscle and breakdown fat. The high fiber will bind to cholesterol and bile salts, forcing the liver to use fat to make more of them. So overall, they tend to gain SOME fat, but dramatically increase their muscle gains compared to a standard diet. And their cut diets are often equally calculated so they minimize muscle loss while losing the fat they've gained.
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    Mar 21, 2010 5:09 PM GMT
    its just about show season in the uk, most of my mates that compete are all on 12 wk diets now....they look completley different off season...big and bulky then cut way down and i mean majorly cut.....for the shows.....its a standing joke that straight after the show they are all running for the nearest macdonalds.....seriuosly!

    you cannot maintain the show look all year round

    i have done a few cycles to bulk up.......then i slightly cut to get rid of any excess flab caused by the juice......i try to maintain my weight but my body leans towards a more toned look...i find it hard to keep size...i lose weight very easily
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    Mar 21, 2010 6:04 PM GMT
    Brian888 saidCheck out this article titled the Truth About Bulking. It could be very helpful for you.

    http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_truth_about_bulking


    I would love to see a metric version of this article...
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    Mar 24, 2010 12:24 AM GMT
    I pretty much dont do bulking/cutting. Now I will say that in the winter months because Im in Jersey Im not as concerned with the abs and I will do less cardio and tend to eat a little more of the foods that I really love. In the summer I cut back on the fattening stuff a bit more with the beach pretty much every weekend.

    So yeah Im about 8lbs lighter in the summer than the winter but I dont specifically bulk up and Id hardly call the difference in my body a bulk and I dont change my workouts at all besides the normal shake ups every now and then.

    I think that staying at a steady level all year round is probably the better way to go for most people who arent competing