Seriously.... how many states would we have to give up to let the Republicans secede from the United States?

  • silverfox

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    Feb 07, 2010 1:04 AM GMT
    I mean in all seriousness....

    Republicans are just not happy. They sure aren't making things easy for the majority party to get anything accomplished.... In order to STOP anything from moving forward they are even going against policies that they fully supported during the Bush years.
    Now while that may seem like "job well done" to some Republicans, for many of us...struggling, suffering, and trying to make ends meet.....it sure is becoming a hassle.

    So just think. Do it! Secede! Go rogue! You country can do what it wants without having to hold up any progress trying to be implemented by those who do not share your minority beliefs. No more tea parties needed!

    Really...is it that outlandish of an idea? What would it take to make this a reality?
  • swimjohn

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    Feb 07, 2010 1:10 AM GMT
    We could send them to Alaska and let Sarah Palin rule icon_razz.gif haha
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    Feb 07, 2010 1:24 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    silverfox1 saidIn order to STOP anything from moving forward they are even going against policies that they fully supported during the Bush years.

    Such as?

    silverfox1 saidSo just think. Do it! Secede! Go rogue! You country can do what it wants without having to hold up any progress trying to be implemented by those who do not share your minority beliefs. No more tea parties needed!

    Really...is it that outlandish of an idea? What would it take to make this a reality?

    It has undercurrents of Nazi Germany in my opinion. What you are proposing is, in reality, "political cleansing" and perhaps you might want to reconsider your position.


    Really? First, Germany was not a federated country, so allowing certain states to leave or secede politically is not the same thing as what the Nazis did, which was the attempted wholesale extermination of Jews, Gypsys, and, oh year, men like you who suck cock. i find it particularly distasteful for a gay man to use the Hitler analogy in a pathetic attempt to smear someone who is actually asking a legitimate question. There's been talk for decades about New York City seceding a la Taiwan.

    Here's why Republicans, despite their protestations won't seceded: Those of us who live in mostly blue states have our tax dollar subsidizing those of you who live in mostly red states. For every tax dollar New Yorkers pay to the federal gov't, we get back about 50 cents. Whereas states like Texas and Alabama get back $1.40.

    Yet red staters rail against us liberal East/West Coasts elites, without whose money and federally subsidized jobs in weapons development and military, they'd all be living an existence closer to Lebanon then the US.
  • GQjock

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    Feb 07, 2010 1:33 AM GMT
    Ahem .... this was already proposed by the Governor of that great State Yes Texas which gave us the worst American President in History

    Governor Rick Perry from a great line of Boob Texans icon_cool.gif
  • OutdoorAdvent...

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    Feb 07, 2010 1:35 AM GMT
    Alaska also receives considerably more in US tax revenue per person than it pays, which leaves me scratching my head whenever Palin vociferously objects to any "redistribution of wealth" in America.
    No doubt Obama and Biden were aware of that during the campaign, though declined to point it out. I'd guess that was because doing so would have tended to play some states against others and, not being ideologues or religious fundamentalists, they thus declined to do so.
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    Feb 07, 2010 1:35 AM GMT
    *coughs* Hitler was busy adding countries, no chance of secession, which is what the US is partly about isn't it? Wasn't there a timer in the US when they wanted to secede from the British Empire, and did?


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  • silverfox

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    Feb 07, 2010 1:47 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    silverfox1 saidIn order to STOP anything from moving forward they are even going against policies that they fully supported during the Bush years.

    Such as?

    silverfox1 saidSo just think. Do it! Secede! Go rogue! You country can do what it wants without having to hold up any progress trying to be implemented by those who do not share your minority beliefs. No more tea parties needed!

    Really...is it that outlandish of an idea? What would it take to make this a reality?

    It has undercurrents of Nazi Germany in my opinion. What you are proposing is, in reality, "political cleansing" and perhaps you might want to reconsider your position.


    NOTE FROM THE OP:

    Others above me have already answered for me here....no I am not reconsidering my "position"....which, actually....is the position of many of the Republicans who have brought it up already on countless news shows and rallys.

    But the idea of separating by blue and red states may not be such a great idea.

    Poor Austin Texas, and beloved Park City Utah,......and what about Boulder Colorado? I would hate to lose them!

    Is there some other way? Although I do like the Alaska idea.....that one is tempting.... We would be able to keep Hawaii though....right?
  • silverfox

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    Feb 07, 2010 1:58 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidYeah, a "politically pure" state. Interesting how the Jewish person above me finds this an OK idea.



    And now you are in the middle of a Jewish sandwich.

    What does "Politically pure" have to do with Jewishness?

    You are not suggesting that terminating the lives of Jews would be the same as setting up separate countries for Republicans and Democrats so that each can forward their agenda?

    As I said before ....this idea CAME from Republicans..... I think Democrats are beginning to agree. You see? It is possible for one side to agree with the other side.....


  • mcwclewis

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    Feb 07, 2010 2:25 AM GMT
    Is there a way to let idiots secede?

    I mean, republicans aren't all bad people.


    and there are quite a few democrats, independents, etc. that I wouldn't mind being without.


    Id write more but I have to poop.
  • mcwclewis

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    Feb 07, 2010 2:25 AM GMT
    Is there a way to let idiots secede?

    I mean, republicans aren't all bad people.


    and there are quite a few democrats, independents, etc. that I wouldn't mind being without.


    Id write more but I have to poop.
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    Feb 07, 2010 2:28 AM GMT
    Christian73 said Really? First, Germany was not a federated country

    Not true. Germany didn't even become one country until 1871. After that its component kingdoms and duchies retained much of their separate identities. Unfortunately for Europe the dominant component kingdom was Prussia.

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    Feb 07, 2010 2:33 AM GMT
    Yeah, I hate diversity of thought and opinion. What did that ever achieve? What a freakin hassle it's become. I want a country made up of only people that think exactly the way I do. While we're at it, can we get rid of this pesky separation of powers thing? I'm sick of the judicial branch and the legislative branch getting in the way of our progress...icon_confused.gif
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Feb 07, 2010 2:35 AM GMT
    Personally, in all due respect, Silverfox, I hate this idea. Nothing wrong with some dissenting opinions. Sorry the Dems are having a difficult time, but they had a year to pass pretty much whatever they wanted. They can't blame the Republicans for the fact that things they tried to pass simply were not fleshed out and solid enough ideas that even some Dems were against them. I think people, both Republicans and Democrats, need to take a deep breath and at least see how all of this "Hope" and "Change we can believe In" actually takes shape, if at all. I certainly was not expecting Obama to wave a magic wand and cure the country's deep ills in a year. I think he needs at least another year before some progress will begin to show. If it doesn't, I'm sure the dems will STILL be blaming Republicans and probably even still be blaming George Bush, but the only real blame will rest on one man who could talk the talk but really couldn't actually walk the walk.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 07, 2010 2:38 AM GMT
    I read some of this and I just laugh. Sure its been a challenging year, but
    I'd take this democratic administration any day over the bumbling idiot we had prior. You have people of differing opinions everywhere, once a decison has been made in an election, you must accept it. Thats what makes this country great... and a point so many others lack.

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    Feb 07, 2010 2:41 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said people, both Republicans and Democrats, need to take a deep breath and at least see how all of this "Hope" and "Change we can believe In" actually takes shape, if at all. I certainly was not expecting Obama to wave a magic wand and cure the countries deep ills in a year. I think he needs at least another year before some progress will begin to show.

    Hope and Change was always obvious BS. Obama is John Edwards without the crazy mistress and love child.
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    Feb 07, 2010 2:53 AM GMT
    Christian73 said
    Here's why Republicans, despite their protestations won't seceded: Those of us who live in mostly blue states have our tax dollar subsidizing those of you who live in mostly red states. For every tax dollar New Yorkers pay to the federal gov't, we get back about 50 cents. Whereas states like Texas and Alabama get back $1.40.

    Yet red staters rail against us liberal East/West Coasts elites, without whose money and federally subsidized jobs in weapons development and military, they'd all be living an existence closer to Lebanon then the US.


    Very good point. In fact, I meant to bring it up myself in one of the other current political threads.

    Here's a comparison from 2004 (can't find a more recent one):

    http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

    I do wish this would be brought up more often when someone from one of those states that get a great deal more back than they give protests about the unfairness of their tax burden and asks why they should have to support poor people in the big cities.
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    Feb 07, 2010 2:59 AM GMT
    i think eveyone reading this can feel the sexual tension between 3 people in this thread icon_lol.gif

    get a motel room and fuck each other already
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    Feb 07, 2010 3:08 AM GMT
    Haven't we done this before?

    In fact, there are no "blue states." Only major cities are dominated by the democratic party. You could build walls and close the city gates, but you'd quickly starve without all of the food, water, and energy that you're currently getting for far below its real value (and in some cases below cost) from the rest of the country.
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    Feb 07, 2010 3:29 AM GMT
    silverfox1 saidI mean in all seriousness....

    Republicans are just not happy. They sure aren't making things easy for the majority party to get anything accomplished.... In order to STOP anything from moving forward they are even going against policies that they fully supported during the Bush years.
    Now while that may seem like "job well done" to some Republicans, for many of us...struggling, suffering, and trying to make ends meet.....it sure is becoming a hassle.

    So just think. Do it! Secede! Go rogue! You country can do what it wants without having to hold up any progress trying to be implemented by those who do not share your minority beliefs. No more tea parties needed!

    Really...is it that outlandish of an idea? What would it take to make this a reality?


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    Feb 07, 2010 3:38 AM GMT
    TexDef07 said
    CuriousJockAZ said people, both Republicans and Democrats, need to take a deep breath and at least see how all of this "Hope" and "Change we can believe In" actually takes shape, if at all. I certainly was not expecting Obama to wave a magic wand and cure the countries deep ills in a year. I think he needs at least another year before some progress will begin to show.

    Hope and Change was always obvious BS. Obama is John Edwards without the crazy mistress and love child.


    In other words, without the John Edwards.
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    Feb 07, 2010 3:42 AM GMT
    mindgarden saidHaven't we done this before?

    In fact, there are no "blue states." Only major cities are dominated by the democratic party. You could build walls and close the city gates, but you'd quickly starve without all of the food, water, and energy that you're currently getting for far below its real value (and in some cases below cost) from the rest of the country.


    Have you read the previous posts in this thread? In fact, on balance, states that tend to vote for the Democrats send in far more tax dollars to the federal government (and get less back for what they send in) than do states that tend to vote for the Republicans, while the latter states tend to get a lot more back than what they send.

    You think Massachusetts and New York and Connecticut don't produce food? And I believe it's in the South where it's anticipated there may not be enough water some time in the future (and perhaps not that far away).
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    Feb 07, 2010 3:53 AM GMT
    mcwclewis saidIs there a way to let idiots secede?

    I mean, republicans aren't all bad people.


    and there are quite a few democrats, independents, etc. that I wouldn't mind being without.


    Id write more but I have to poop.



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    Feb 07, 2010 3:58 AM GMT
    May I point out the great state of Texas has an $11B *surplus* and a booming economy, to say nothing of the lower cost of living? Clearly some things are being done well here, as the Economist bothered to point out in an article comparing Texas and my former home, California.
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    silverfox1 saidI mean in all seriousness....

    Republicans are just not happy. They sure aren't making things easy for the majority party to get anything accomplished.... In order to STOP anything from moving forward they are even going against policies that they fully supported during the Bush years.
    Now while that may seem like "job well done" to some Republicans, for many of us...struggling, suffering, and trying to make ends meet.....it sure is becoming a hassle.

    So just think. Do it! Secede! Go rogue! You country can do what it wants without having to hold up any progress trying to be implemented by those who do not share your minority beliefs. No more tea parties needed!

    Really...is it that outlandish of an idea? What would it take to make this a reality?


    Yes, it is that outlandish of an idea, and I don't think you really meant this "in all seriousness"; I think you were just venting your exasperation.

    It is both more doable and more probable for us to resolve all of our current national crises than for the scenario you describe to actually occur, and I think you know this.
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    TexDef07 said
    Christian73 said Really? First, Germany was not a federated country

    Not true. Germany didn't even become one country until 1871. After that its component kingdoms and duchies retained much of their separate identities. Unfortunately for Europe the dominant component kingdom was Prussia.


    I was speaking of the time of Nazism, not all of Germanic history. Germany, at that time, did not have a (as others have pointed out) a voluntary federation of separate states.