Maximum heart rate during cardio... Is 180 too high?

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    Feb 09, 2010 4:52 PM GMT
    Greetings from P90X-land!

    Did my favorite of all the workouts this morning: Kenpo X! Always a good workout, and always one that I feel I have accomplished the most when I am finished. Today, my heart-rate was a little higher than normal (180 bpm as opposed to 160-165), but I didn't feel winded or light-headed, nor did I feel like I was overdoing it. I used to get that my pulse up that high when I swam competitively too, but never worried about it and never had any truly adverse side effects that I know of. Oddly enough I was able to increase my distance per stroke (DPS) at that pulse rate, even though 160 bpm is the target heart-rate for maximum DPS. I always figured it was just that I had a high resting pulse (which I do... 92 bpm is my resting HR) and that this was the appropriate range for me. Am I wrong for thinking like that? Should I be concerned? Is it truly risky to do cardio at that HR, or is it a non-issue? Anything I should do about it if it is risky?

    Thanks guys! And be sure to check out my progress at http://sahem62896p90x.blogspot.com.
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    Feb 09, 2010 5:36 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidGreetings from P90X-land!

    Did my favorite of all the workouts this morning: Kenpo X! Always a good workout, and always one that I feel I have accomplished the most when I am finished. Today, my heart-rate was a little higher than normal (180 bpm as opposed to 160-165), but I didn't feel winded or light-headed, nor did I feel like I was overdoing it. I used to get that my pulse up that high when I swam competitively too, but never worried about it and never had any truly adverse side effects that I know of. Oddly enough I was able to increase my distance per stroke (DPS) at that pulse rate, even though 160 bpm is the target heart-rate for maximum DPS. I always figured it was just that I had a high resting pulse (which I do... 92 bpm is my resting HR) and that this was the appropriate range for me. Am I wrong for thinking like that? Should I be concerned? Is it truly risky to do cardio at that HR, or is it a non-issue? Anything I should do about it if it is risky?

    Thanks guys! And be sure to check out my progress at http://sahem62896p90x.blogspot.com.


    Dono if this helps at all, but I was just in the E.R. w/ a heart condition called Supraventricular Tachycardia... my hear rate was over 200 for about 5 hours. They immediately hooked me up to like 2938923 machines and gave me some drugs to slow it down - scary as fuck. However, I went to the cardiologist for a checkup afterwards and he said I'm fine and it's nothing to worry about unless my heart rate is that high for extended periods of time. I'm guessing 180 isn't too bad as long as it gets back to normal fairly quickly.
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    Feb 09, 2010 5:41 PM GMT
    You probably don't want to be above your max heart rate (220-your age) for long periods of time. But short bursts are OK. I wouldn't be too concerned unless you start to feel lightheaded...then take a break. All that said, it wouldn't hurt to get checked out just to be sure everything is in good working condition. I also have a high RHR (about 90bpm) and get an EKG every couple of years just to be safe.
  • TR_Latitude10

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    Feb 09, 2010 6:20 PM GMT
    As long as you don't feel light headed and your HR doesn't stay pegged at 180+, you should be fine. I wear a Polar HR monitor just to keep track of the amount of work my heart is doing. With weights, it'll run up to 175 to 182 and then back to 145 to 150 within one minute after my set. With my HIIT sessions, it'll go to 175+ for the last 30 seconds of the high intensity portion of my run.
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    Feb 09, 2010 6:21 PM GMT
    My max is 171, but, I run my heart rate to 190, routinely. Cardiologist is o.k. with it, too (I have an AWESOME heart, as we saw on the sonogram.) as long as the BP doesn't spike super high. I'm considered at zero risk of a heart attack; zero risk of a stroke.

    My heart strokes are stronger, with a higher velocity, and I have a slightly bigger chamber volume, along with more muscle, and a slightly thicker heart than a non-athlete. A bit of Lance Armstrong, if you will. I don't have any leakage / regurgitation, to speak of. Bigger, stronger, faster...an adaptive response.

    Just FYI: a sonogram is your heart is a fascinating test. EKGs are cheap, and take about 3 minutes to do.

    The human machine is meant to be used; pushed; forced to adapt.

    If your doctor is cool with it...get Bigger, Stronger, Faster..

    HIIT does AMAZING things with cardiac threshold, and fat burn.
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    Feb 09, 2010 6:50 PM GMT
    I have a formula in my head for heartrate targetting. .65(220-Age) Does that mean anything to anyone else or have I mixed this up with something else?
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    Feb 09, 2010 7:00 PM GMT
    McGay saidI have a formula in my head for heartrate targetting. .65(220-Age) Does that mean anything to anyone else or have I mixed this up with something else?


    Makes sense ... I think you're going after the target heart rate (versus maximum heart rate of 220 - your age) and you're a little low at 65%. According to the Mayo Clinic. "for vigorous exercise, aim for a target heart rate of 70 to 85 percent of your maximum heart rate (MHR). Your MHR (roughly calculated as 220 minus your age) is the upper limit of what your cardiovascular system can handle during physical activity".

    Most good heart rate monitors will do these calculations for you and 'beep' at you when you're above or below your target heart rate range.
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    Feb 09, 2010 8:32 PM GMT
    everyone is different .
    I have a hard time taking my heart rate over 164, but i go down to 32 while watching tv.
    The size of your heart makes a difference, then your training .

    During races it would be higher due to adrenaline , stress.

    I used to worry about it as some had such high pulses till i met Pierre Harvey, world cup champion in XC skiing, and he said his heart rate was really high at 160. So i stopped worrying about it for ever after .
    My best training friend was always approx 10 beats higher than me for equal effort.

    so, it's all relative.

    but i don't know if you should always be that high , mayve you're just like a V-tec engine, made for high revs. :p


  • WILDCARD73

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    Feb 09, 2010 8:47 PM GMT
    i can go in some intense cardio up to 170
    but i try to maintain it below 165(where the fat burn actualy happens) and slow myself down

    now if you are listening to tony correctly in P90x
    he tells you that your heart rate should be in a certain zone according to your age/weight
    and he always say in the dvd to watch your heart rate
    wear a heart monitor
    you need to have it in that certain zone to get max fat burnt off your body

    you are not listening to tony!!!!!
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    Feb 09, 2010 9:02 PM GMT
    Uh, I am indeed listening to Tony... which is why I posted the question because I was above the target heart rate today even though I was working at my regular pace and not having any bad side effects.
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    Feb 09, 2010 9:10 PM GMT
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    SAHEM62896 saidGreetings from P90X-land!

    Did my favorite of all the workouts this morning: Kenpo X! Always a good workout, and always one that I feel I have accomplished the most when I am finished. Today, my heart-rate was a little higher than normal (180 bpm as opposed to 160-165), but I didn't feel winded or light-headed, nor did I feel like I was overdoing it. I used to get that my pulse up that high when I swam competitively too, but never worried about it and never had any truly adverse side effects that I know of. Oddly enough I was able to increase my distance per stroke (DPS) at that pulse rate, even though 160 bpm is the target heart-rate for maximum DPS. I always figured it was just that I had a high resting pulse (which I do... 92 bpm is my resting HR) and that this was the appropriate range for me. Am I wrong for thinking like that? Should I be concerned? Is it truly risky to do cardio at that HR, or is it a non-issue? Anything I should do about it if it is risky?

    Thanks guys! And be sure to check out my progress at http://sahem62896p90x.blogspot.com.


    Dono if this helps at all, but I was just in the E.R. w/ a heart condition called Supraventricular Tachycardia... my hear rate was over 200 for about 5 hours. They immediately hooked me up to like 2938923 machines and gave me some drugs to slow it down - scary as fuck. However, I went to the cardiologist for a checkup afterwards and he said I'm fine and it's nothing to worry about unless my heart rate is that high for extended periods of time. I'm guessing 180 isn't too bad as long as it gets back to normal fairly quickly.


    Joe, your experience sounds absolutely aweful. I would have shit bricks if that happened to me. Glad you are fine now.
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    Feb 09, 2010 9:36 PM GMT
    the 220-age is an estimated rule. it's different for each individual. Some will have a higher max, some lower.

    the only certain way to find your Pmax, is to push yourself to the max (just before you barf your lungs up) and then take your pulse (safe enough if you're in good health and reasonably fit).

    according to 220 -age my Pmax should be 188. but I often reach that, and feel I still have a little bit more in me icon_smile.gif
  • WILDCARD73

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    Feb 10, 2010 2:47 AM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidUh, I am indeed listening to Tony... which is why I posted the question because I was above the target heart rate today even though I was working at my regular pace and not having any bad side effects.


    u need to monitor yourself next time you do the Kenpo

    sometimes you might have more energy and you dont feel tired, so u do a more intense excercise

    i still dont think you are lisening to tony,
    get down on the floor and do more scissors
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    Feb 10, 2010 3:02 AM GMT
    I've been wondering about this too. I always run my heart up to 170s during cardio. Once I hit 180, alarm bells in my body start to ring. I had an EKG when I was 23 (26 now) and should probably get another one... I never feel lightheaded during the cardio, though, and once my rate drops into the 160s, I feel like my effort is totally lame. Sometimes with weightlifting it seems to go too high, and I need to take an extended break and cool down.
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    Feb 10, 2010 4:44 AM GMT
    WILDCARD73 said
    i still dont think you are lisening to tony,
    get down on the floor and do more scissors


    Oh God... not more of those! They are the sandpaper on my soul! icon_lol.gif

    Thanks again for your feedback everyone! I appreciate it.
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    Feb 10, 2010 6:01 AM GMT
    when you reach your "real" max heart rate you can not sustain it for more than 2 minutes, that's the way the body is made. After that your body will simply slow down no matter what.

    One way to measure it is having someone with a timer and a heart rate monitor. He takes measurements while you're on a treadmill or stat. bike.
    You increased levels every 2 minutes , and the other one records HR .
    Eventually you'll reach a level which you won't be able to sustain for that duration, that should be your max HR.
    i picked that from Bicycle Magazine years ago.
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    Feb 21, 2010 2:01 AM GMT
    Erm, my heart rate is invariably above 180 when I do any kinda cardio so now you got me a bit worried!
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    Feb 24, 2010 2:15 AM GMT
    I've noticed that I can usually go comfortably above my estimated maximum heart rate. For a while I used a monitor and it would often signal for me to slow down when I still felt fine.
  • Neon_Dreams

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    Feb 24, 2010 2:18 AM GMT
    I love HIIT and have had my heart rate up near 200 when running on the treadmill @ 11.5 mph! As an avid runner I have a slower-than-normal resting heart rate.

    Every heart is different.

    I go with common sense. If you feel faint, dizzy, or sick, you are doing something wrong. Good luck.


    Joe
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    Jun 07, 2010 3:27 AM GMT
    I did intervals yesterday on the treadmill and my heart rate hit the mid 160s. I was surprised as it usually stays below 150. I attributed it to drinking several strong drinks the night before. You guys are in the 180s-190s? I think I'm being a pussy!
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    Jun 07, 2010 4:55 AM GMT
    I try to keep mine between 150-175. Max for my age is ~180. Sometimes I'll sneak slightly above the 180 mark just for a brief moment, then go back to a brisk walk.

    PS. This is an old thread and you've already finished the P90X thing, so I guess that means whatever you did, worked well. icon_biggrin.gif