Hypocrisy in Action: Stimulus foes see value in seeking cash

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    Feb 09, 2010 6:09 PM GMT
    The fiscal discipline of the Republicans is amazing. And before the cries of liberal media elitism jump off, this is from the Washington Times, a bellwether of conservative activism.

    Washington TimesStimulus foes see value in seeking cash

    Jim McElhatton

    Sen. Christopher S. Bond regularly railed against President Obama's economic stimulus plan as irresponsible spending that would drive up the national debt. But behind the scenes, the Missouri Republican quietly sought more than $50 million from a federal agency for two projects in his state.

    Mr. Bond was not alone. More than a dozen Republican lawmakers, while denouncing the stimulus to the media and their constituents, privately sent letters to just one of the federal government's many agencies seeking stimulus money for home-state pork projects.

    The letters to the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, expose the gulf between lawmakers' public criticism of the overall stimulus package and their private lobbying for projects close to home.

    "It's not illegal to talk out of both sides of your mouth, but it does seem to be a level of dishonesty troubling to the American public," said Melanie Sloan, executive director of the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

    In a letter to Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, Mr. Bond noted that one project applying to the USDA for stimulus money would "create jobs and ultimately spur economic opportunities."

    He and other lawmakers make no apologies for privately seeking stimulus money after they voted against it and continue to criticize the plan: "I strongly opposed the stimulus, but the only thing that could make it worse would be if none of it returned to the taxpayers of Missouri," said Mr. Bond, who is retiring.

    But watchdog groups say the lawmakers' public talk and private letters don't square, highlighting a side of government spending largely overshadowed by the "earmarking" process. While members of Congress must disclose their earmarks — or pet projects they slip into broader spending bills — the private funding requests they make in letters to agencies fall outside of the public's view.

    "There is a definite disconnect between the public statements and the private letters," said Thomas A. Schatz, president of the nonpartisan Citizens Against Government Waste. "It does seem inconsistent to say you're against the bill but then you want some little piece of it."

    At a televised meeting with the House Republican caucus late last month, Mr. Obama chided GOP lawmakers who, he said, took credit for projects funded by the same stimulus bill they voted against — adding that some were even attending ribbon-cutting ceremonies.

    But the USDA letters also reveal a more discreet way for lawmakers to try to steer money to home-state projects.


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    Feb 09, 2010 9:05 PM GMT
    So not surprising...how do these idoits live with themselves?
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    Feb 09, 2010 9:09 PM GMT
    Let's Clean House...and the Senate!
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    Feb 09, 2010 9:28 PM GMT
    "I strongly opposed the stimulus, but the only thing that could make it worse would be if none of it returned to the taxpayers of Missouri," said Mr. Bond

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    Feb 09, 2010 9:37 PM GMT
    There are both long term Demostupids Repugnants that need to be voted out. Get fresh blood. That's the one thing that I agree Megan McCain on. She rocks!
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 09, 2010 9:52 PM GMT
    At first, I thought the stimulus was a good idea that could help revive the depressed economy. However after a few months, I think the stimulus was nothing more than a financial permit for costly, unneeded pork barrel infrastructure projects like the costly, unneeded 1.5 mile extension of the US Route 219 expressway into rural Cattaraugus County, New York 35 miles SE of Buffalo along with a large slew of other unnecessary bullshit. The stimulus is not working as far as I am concerned and it has resulted in additional debt for our country. If they really wanted to stimulate the economy, it would have made more prudent financial sense to allocate that stimulus money to every working person in this country rather than giving it to preferred big corporations, banks, and government agencies.
  • rnch

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    Feb 09, 2010 10:38 PM GMT
    perpetual presidential wanna-beeeeeez cadindate boddy jinal, govonor of louisiana, initally made a bi show of telling President omama he wanted none of the federal stimulus act money.

    what he then did was to helicoptor around the state, handing out HUGE billboard sized checks of cash to various cities and parishes (counties to you other states' residents).

    WHERE did this cash come from? form the federal stimulus act, of course..

    he is such a two faced looser!
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    Feb 09, 2010 11:06 PM GMT
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    Feb 10, 2010 12:25 AM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidAt first, I thought the stimulus was a good idea that could help revive the depressed economy. However after a few months, I think the stimulus was nothing more than a financial permit for costly, unneeded pork barrel infrastructure projects like the costly, unneeded 1.5 mile extension of the US Route 219 expressway into rural Cattaraugus County, New York 35 miles SE of Buffalo along with a large slew of other unnecessary bullshit. The stimulus is not working as far as I am concerned and it has resulted in additional debt for our country. If they really wanted to stimulate the economy, it would have made more prudent financial sense to allocate that stimulus money to every working person in this country rather than giving it to preferred big corporations, banks, and government agencies.


    So your indictment of the entire recovery package - which I admit has problems, mainly it wasn't big enough and too focused on tax cuts - is based on how the state gov't of New York "wasted" the money? icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 10, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidSo your indictment of the entire recovery package - which I admit has problems, mainly it wasn't big enough and too focused on tax cuts - is based on how the state gov't of New York "wasted" the money? icon_rolleyes.gif


    Nice attempt, but you failed. If you carefully read (and have the ability to comprehend) what he wrote, you will notice that he is citing an example:

    like the costly, unneeded 1.5 mile extension of the US Route 219 expressway into rural Cattaraugus County, New York

    The important word is "like" which means, for example. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Really? Then he failed in his initial argument by not citing statistics to back up his claim. You can't make a wholesale indictment of a program - sans figures - and use one local example to back up your argument. (Unless, of course, you're a palm note-reading Sarah Palin Conservative. Oh, I mean libertarian.) icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 10, 2010 2:37 AM GMT

    Now, now now. Let's not everyone get testy.

    In my experience both Republicans and Democrats want one thing: MY MONEY.

    They may want it in differing amounts and at different times, e.g., borrow it like mad so I have to pay it later -- while the current crop loves ot be Robin Hood King of the robbin', but they all want it.

    So why shouldn't I get back a few million in stimulus dollars? Big gobs of it were mine after all.

    These times require creativity. And what every banker knows...........

    it all comes home sooner or later.
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    Feb 10, 2010 2:41 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidReally? Then he failed in his initial argument by not citing statistics to back up his claim. You can't make a wholesale indictment of a program - sans figures - and use one local example to back up your argument. (Unless, of course, you're a palm note-reading Sarah Palin Conservative. Oh, I mean libertarian.) icon_rolleyes.gif

    What's your income level?


    Personal or Household? I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

    (BTW, I'm a) not motivated by money except in wanting to keep body and soul together, and b) I'm taxed at about 38%, while paying literally thousands of dollars each year for my health care on top of my employer-provided coverage).
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    Feb 10, 2010 3:39 AM GMT
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    Christian73 said
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidReally? Then he failed in his initial argument by not citing statistics to back up his claim. You can't make a wholesale indictment of a program - sans figures - and use one local example to back up your argument. (Unless, of course, you're a palm note-reading Sarah Palin Conservative. Oh, I mean libertarian.) icon_rolleyes.gif

    What's your income level?


    Personal or Household? I'll show you mine if you show me yours.

    (BTW, I'm a) not motivated by money except in wanting to keep body and soul together, and b) I'm taxed at about 38%, while paying literally thousands of dollars each year for my health care on top of my employer-provided coverage).

    I've already stated mine on here numerous times. Thanks for giving an approximation. icon_smile.gif


    And the point was?
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    Feb 10, 2010 5:15 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Just trying to get a more complete picture of you beyond what you post on here.


    Well, beyond what's in my profile, I'm a Virgo. I've worked in nonprofit fundraising my whole career, I majored in political theory with minors in poetry writing and Women's studies, come from a large Irish-Catholic family (half Liberals, half - sigh - Reagan Republicans). What else do you want to know?
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 10, 2010 9:48 PM GMT
    Christian73, The reason why I am critical of the stimulus is that it has resulted in more debt for our already debt ridden federal government. As for the State of New York, the spending of millions of dollars to extend a totally unneeded expressway for 1.5 miles into an environmentally sensitive rural area in Cattaraugus County, New York was the biggest waste of money. Where this expressway extension is bridged over the gorge of Cattaraugus Creek is a highly risky engineering endeaver because of seismically unstable soils on both sides of this creek. While building the twin expressway bridges, a large chunk of the creekside gorge collapsed at the construction site, no injuries or deaths thank God. But the NYSDOT insists on building this US Route 219 extension regardless of whether the ground will continue to support the highway and bridges. The landslide into the gorge was a costly setback for this pork barrel highway project which meant more money aka stimulus money was needed to stablize the ground and build these twin bridges. and extend this superhighway into a remote, rural valley and then just terminate it onto the old two lane US 219 in the small hamlet of Ashford Hollow. Yeah that is very wise use of federal stimulus money. The State of New York is so dysfunctional and corrupt that it should not get a dime of stimulus funding. I could tell you some of the other unnecessary pork barrel bullshit that this state is doing but it is too much to list and it would only make me and any other sound minded person sick to their stomach.
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    Feb 10, 2010 9:50 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidWhich is why we need term limits, and have to send a clear signal in the Nov 2010, Nov 2012 and Nov 2014 elections. Vote these bums out of office!



    Couldn't agree more. Washington has become a cesspool of excess and corruption...on both sides...they ALL need to go!
  • GQjock

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    Feb 11, 2010 1:42 PM GMT
    What you fail to notice is that the stimulus ..... Not Large ENOUGH

    Produced jobs ...... JOBS

    Jobs is what the republicans have been whinning about and jobs they got
    OH and let's not forget the republicans who are holding up Obama's nominees unless they get their earmarks for their state or for their districts

    I hope you like hypocrisy stew ...... EAT UP

    Insert picture of republicans holding big cardboard stimulus check here icon_cool.gif

    SMILE*
  • Kingtiger

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    Feb 13, 2010 2:05 AM GMT
    I'm sorry, but the whole notion of a "Stimulous Package" has got to be the single greatest opportunity for puns and innuendo that the goverment has ever come up with. My humorist side loves the concept, my fiscal conservative side hates it, and my backside would probably like it too! ;)
  • styrgan

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    Feb 13, 2010 2:12 AM GMT
    "Mr. Bond noted that one project applying to the USDA for stimulus money would 'create jobs and ultimately spur economic opportunities.'"


    So basically, he asked for the funds he voted again because it would do exactly what his opponents said it would..


    The Republican Party: hypocrisy central.
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    Feb 13, 2010 5:04 AM GMT
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    styrgan said"Mr. Bond noted that one project applying to the USDA for stimulus money would 'create jobs and ultimately spur economic opportunities.'"

    So basically, he asked for the funds he voted again because it would do exactly what his opponents said it would..

    The Republican Party: hypocrisy central.

    And the Democrats are just as bad, no?


    Actually, they're not. There is an entire House progressive caucus that has pushed back against Obama and the leadership because the healthcare plan doesn't go far enough in helping people.

    And that whole "generational theft" argument is a tired scare tactic. Remember, Bush is the president who sold the US to China. That Obama needs to extend the credit line to try and fix the problem isn't something worth getting in a huff about. What will fix the generational theft is a) to improve the economy, which Obama is doing - bank profits up, investment increasing, job losses cut by 50% from January 2009 to January 2010 - and b) fix Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid through prudent investment, not gambling it in the public securities markets.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 13, 2010 3:24 PM GMT
    The democrats are no damn better than the republicans. It is the same hypocrisy and corruption in both political parties. Both are owned and operated by big business and and their wealthy lobbyists. I wish some of you blind sycophants to the democratic party would wake up and get your heads out of your asses and stop blindly supporting every idiotic, tax wasting, bullshit idea that the demoquacks keep cooking up in the windmills of their money hungry minds.