New study suggests the degree with which a person can 'get fit' from exercise determined in part by genes.

  • Anto

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    Feb 09, 2010 11:12 PM GMT
    This is a bit disheartening but still interesting and useful to know I think so people maintain proper perspective when training and comparing themselves to others or judging others.

    "When you put in hours at the gym, you expect to get fitter. It turns out, that assumption doesn't hold true for everyone. A new study suggests specific genes may determine, at least in part, how much we really benefit from exercise."

    Genes Help Explain Who Gets Fit
    http://www.livescience.com/health/exercise-genes-identified-100204.html




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    Feb 09, 2010 11:59 PM GMT
    whilst i believe that, I bet all the money I have that it's a tiny part of the equation..

    while genetics might not let you have an 8 pack rippling body that the blind could read, it doesn't mean you can't develop a body that is both healthy, fit with a good amount of definition.

    If you are determined to develop a body that is suitable for your frame, then you will get there, it might take extra work or a differing route but you'll get there.

    Most who don't usually give up to easily.
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    Feb 10, 2010 1:31 AM GMT
    well duh... tom arnold and rosanne would never have made a michael phelps (genetically)

    thats why i curse my mom everyday for her genes, lol
  • victor8

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    Feb 10, 2010 1:40 AM GMT
    Nothing new here...we all knew that everyones fitness level is different...ya got to do the best you can with the genes you were given...but hard work pays off in the end as does consistency....even if its just in flexability, endurance,self esteem!!
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    Feb 10, 2010 2:34 AM GMT
    I think what is new here is the beginning of identifying the genes responsible and how they perform. This is just the beginning.

    What pisses me off is that they wont figure all this shit out until it is too late for me! ... icon_evil.gif
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    Feb 10, 2010 6:28 AM GMT
    wow, they found that not everyone can attain the same Vo2Max...*impressed*.
    and .. goodness, it would be "genetic" !?!?!? oh dear.

    BUT however, they are identifying the genes... yay, fun manipulations in the pipeline !! icon_biggrin.gif


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    Feb 10, 2010 6:35 AM GMT
    Guess I'll go back to the drive-thru!
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    Feb 26, 2010 9:02 AM GMT
    The main use of this kind of study will probably be as an easy excuse for people who aren't exercising hard enough or consistently enough. People are better off not thinking of themselves as genetically pre-disposed to lackluster fitness gains. It's similar to diagnosing people with learning disabilities.
  • Anto

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    Feb 26, 2010 2:34 PM GMT
    The main use of this kind of study will probably be as an easy excuse for people who aren't exercising hard enough or consistently enough.

    It also can help people better understand why they may not be improving despite how hard they work as well. I think it's good info to know, help people from just running themselves into the ground trying to attain goals that may not be possible for themselves.
  • Celticmusl

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    Feb 26, 2010 3:20 PM GMT
    Anto saidThe main use of this kind of study will probably be as an easy excuse for people who aren't exercising hard enough or consistently enough.

    It also can help people better understand why they may not be improving despite how hard they work as well. I think it's good info to know, help people from just running themselves into the ground trying to attain goals that may not be possible for themselves.



    I think people that are out of shape have more than enough excuses not to be in shape. The trick is overcoming obstacles through intelligence, knowledge, dedication, desire, diligence, and a "never ending pursuit of constant improvement".

    I agree many people kill themselves at the gym while burning a lot of time and calories, with desire and dedication, and nothing to show for it. Most of the time they are making big mistakes they are not aware of, and to blame serious genetic issues is almost laughable. That same person, with a knowledgeable trainer all of a sudden reaches their fitness goals in a few months.

    I work at a gym, I see certain guys that work out 5 times a week, showing up through hell and high water for years at a time. They have absolutely nothing to show for it. Although I don't know their diet, from what I've seen at the gym it's because they never challenge themselves or their body to reach a fitness level that they have yet to obtain. They are lifting the same amount of weight they were lifting two years ago, and with the same routine.

    Genetics obviously plays a key role in obtaining the upper echelon of fitness at the olympic level, but honestly, ALMOST everyone can achieve an incredible fitness level. Unless you have diabetes, arthritis, asthma(the list goes on I'm afraid) you really don't have too many excuses.

    I think Morrissey said it best, and you should put this in your iPod for your workouts to remind yourself:


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  • Anto

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    Feb 26, 2010 4:33 PM GMT
    It's not a genetic disease or serious genetic issue. It's just variation. What is wrong with people realizing that some are just not going to be able to achieve certain levels of fitness or same level of fitness as others? It's not an excuse to to not be healthy, that's not even what this is about, people get health benefits from exercise regardless of what is genetically attainable, the article even says this. It just shows that what people can achieve will vary i.e. we are not all the same. So people shouldn't compare themselves to others.

    I think it's important for people to know this so they don't set themselves up for achieving something they can't and then burn out and STOP trying to exercise because they thought they could when biologically they just can't. It can even be dangerous.

    As an example, running. People have different levels where they can maintain or sustain a certain speed that is most optimal for themselves. It's not about will power or attitude or just trying harder.

    Perfect Running Pace Revealed
    http://www.livescience.com/health/090328-running-perfect-pace.html

    Minor Variations in One Gene May Be Associated With Endurance Running
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100218173319.htm


  • Celticmusl

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    Feb 26, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
    To Anto: The only way people excel is to expect more for themselves, from themselves. Do not accept limitations that are not there, that others have lead you to believe.

    FOUR MINUTE MILE:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-minute_mile


    Also, if someone is experiencing "burn out" from trying to reach a fitness goal, they are not working out correctly and they need to modify their approach.


    As Mark Twain would say: "It is not about the dog in the fight, it is about the fight in the dog".
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    Feb 26, 2010 5:16 PM GMT
    Firstly, this doesn't surprise me at all (surprised they needed to research it).

    Secondly, I do feel for those stricken with obesity. I'm sure there are some greedy/lazy buggers among them, yes.

    But I've experienced what it's like to go hell for leather at the gym and have no luck. I was tried on steroids (obviously not the anabolic ones) for my hayfever (manic, every summer, from kid to mid-twenties, but I'm growing out of it, thank God) when I was a student to get me through my finals.

    I got fatter, fatter, fatter, and no matter WHAT I did in the gym, or for how long, or how often, and no matter how I adjusted my diet, the blubber just wouldn't budge and kept increasing. Talk about moon face.

    There must be people who have that genetically, poor sods, and believe me, it ain't nice.

    Big hug to all you genetic fatties out there, I feel for ya.

    Oh, and I have HUGE respect for any significantly overweight person I see working out in the gym. Good on em.

  • Anto

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    Feb 27, 2010 7:45 AM GMT
    Celticmusl saidTo Anto: The only way people excel is to expect more for themselves, from themselves. Do not accept limitations that are not there, that others have lead you to believe.

    As Mark Twain would say: "It is not about the dog in the fight, it is about the fight in the dog".



    Yes but this is not about overcoming mental barriers and achieving personal bests it's about recognizing genetic variation and what some people can achieve that others cannot regardless of how much they try. Everyone is not the same so they shouldn't train the same or expect to get the same results, it can actually be counterproductive and in some cases dangerous.
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    Feb 27, 2010 7:55 AM GMT
    Have any of you guys read Good calories, Bad calories by Gary Taubes?

    If you haven't, everything you thought you knew about how we put on fat might be wrong. Hint: "it's not because we eat too damn much"

    Here's a talk by UCSF endocrinologist - it's really worth the hour or so:


    My basic notes:
    - a calorie is not just a calorie: eating less and exercising more alone does not work; sugar/calories are processed by the body differently
    - a high sucrose/fructose diet IS a high fat diet and fructose/sucrose makes you feel hungrier; limit fructose, sucrose and alcohol consumption
    - fructose/sucrose gets processed by body like ethanol (alcohol) without the buzz - for this reason, chronic fructose consumption results in 8/12 chronic diseases associated with alcohol abuse - metabolic syndrome: insulin resistance (type 2 diabetes), high blood pressure, high LDL cholsterol
    - exercise is important as it speeds up the metabolism of calories and is the single thing that reduces stress and stress also causes obesity
    - fiber reduces carb absorption - eat carbs with fiber: fruit ok (includes the fiber); fruit juice is not
    - drink only milk and water, cut out everything else
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    Nov 01, 2010 6:58 AM GMT
    mach01 saidThe main use of this kind of study will probably be as an easy excuse for people who aren't exercising hard enough or consistently enough. People are better off not thinking of themselves as genetically pre-disposed to lackluster fitness gains. It's similar to diagnosing people with learning disabilities.
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    Nov 01, 2010 7:03 AM GMT
    I would say that I am an example of this..sure I like to go to the gym but I rarely have time for it and somehow I still maintain my body. I am in no way built from lifting it is mainly genes and some cheerleading.
  • vindog

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    Nov 01, 2010 7:35 AM GMT
    riddler78 saidHave any of you guys read Good calories,
    My basic notes:
    - a calorie is not just a calorie: eating less and exercising more alone does not work; sugar/calories are processed by the body differently
    - a high sucrose/fructose diet IS a high fat diet and fructose/sucrose makes you feel hungrier; limit fructose, sucrose and alcohol consumption
    - fructose/sucrose gets processed by body like ethanol (alcohol) without the buzz - for this reason, chronic fructose consumption results in 8/12 chronic diseases associated with alcohol abuse - metabolic syndrome: insulin resistance (type 2 diabetes), high blood pressure, high LDL cholsterol
    - exercise is important as it speeds up the metabolism of calories and is the single thing that reduces stress and stress also causes obesity
    - fiber reduces carb absorption - eat carbs with fiber: fruit ok (includes the fiber); fruit juice is not
    - drink only milk and water, cut out everything else



    I actually just took grain and processed sugar out of my daily diet about 1.5 months ago. So much better.


    Fiber also reduces nutrient (vitamin/mineral) absorption....so I get mine from veggies, not grain.