Fourth Generation Glock

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    Feb 11, 2010 1:54 AM GMT
    We are getting new Glocks this year. The 4th generation of the venerable semi-auto. From the looks of it there have been no major design changes, though the magazine release appears to be slightly repositioned.

    This is a .40 S&W. It keeps the Picatiny rail of course. Never used that to mount things myself.

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    Feb 11, 2010 2:35 AM GMT
    Looks like it has all the construction integrity of a stapler. ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 11, 2010 2:41 AM GMT
    oh delicious, an instrument used to kill cleanly and quickly has been improved...

    Just what the world needs as it tumbles down the rabbit hole!
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    Feb 11, 2010 2:44 AM GMT
    Gotta be prepared for the zombie invasion in 2012. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 11, 2010 4:06 AM GMT
    lilTanker saidoh delicious, an instrument used to kill cleanly and quickly has been improved...

    Just what the world needs as it tumbles down the rabbit hole!





    My feelings, exactly.
    I have no respect for men who are in love with their guns.
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    Feb 11, 2010 4:28 AM GMT
    teh gun show.  I winned it.
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    Feb 12, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    Hum, the usual crowd I see. Fortunately the Gock's reliability is as steadfast as your dislike, which is mutual by the way.



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    Feb 12, 2010 12:56 AM GMT
    I love going to the shooting range, I don't really have any business owning a gun but I love the mechanics, design, feel, smell and movement.
    I love guns, people with guns scare the shit out of me though... unless I'm in a 3rd world country and the local military is keeping people from kidnapping me, then people with guns are my friend.
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    Feb 12, 2010 1:00 AM GMT
    twomack saidHum, the usual crowd I see. Fortunately the Gock's reliability is as steadfast as your dislike, which is mutual by the way.

    Now, now, not all of us are that crowd. I spent a good part of my adult life carrying a semi-automatic on my hip, and ran marksmanship ranges for a multitude of weapons.

    The problem I have with semi-automatics is that large reciprocating mass, plus the inherent sacrifice in accuracy. A revolver is still the superior handgun for me, and why US Army MPs abandoned the .45 semi for a .38 revolver.
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    Feb 12, 2010 1:02 AM GMT
    Caslon13000 saidteh gun show.  I winned it.


    Oh, no, that kitteh has no tail!
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    Feb 12, 2010 1:05 AM GMT
    I have a Glock19 9mm and it looks the same. i have only been to the gun range once.
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    Feb 12, 2010 1:10 AM GMT
    TheIStrat said
    Caslon13000 saidteh gun show.  I winned it.


    Oh, no, that kitteh has no tail!
    It's still ridiculously cute though!
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    Feb 12, 2010 1:25 AM GMT
    The inconvenience or owning or carrying is the only turnoff I have with these.

    Every time I would have wanted one it was always a case of can't by law. Up north I couldn't have one loaded in the car. And couldn't carry one in any non designated hunting forest or parks. The streets of Hartford outside most clubs as well as many of the homeless infested parks are the only places I'd feel more secure with a weapon.
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    Feb 12, 2010 3:00 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    The problem I have with semi-automatics is that large reciprocating mass, plus the inherent sacrifice in accuracy. A revolver is still the superior handgun for me, and why US Army MPs abandoned the .45 semi for a .38 revolver.


    Let me first state that I own several revolvers and enjoy shooting them. I also respect your opinion of what is best for you. That said, I own a 1911 that will print a 1.273" group at 50 yards. Frankly, there are not many people alive that can physically shoot at that level of accuracy anyway, so I feel the point is moot. I have put about 11,275 rounds through that same 1911 and frankly I cannot remember the last time it malfunctioned. Revolvers are subject to reliability issues as well. I have personally witnessed (twice) in competition where a guy bent his ejector rod during a vigorous reload and the gun locked up. The hand can break or wear and stop properly indexing the cylinder, the bolt can shear causing the cylinder not to lock up (usually during rapid fire), and a small amount of dirt under the extractor star can jam the cylinder solid.

    The Glock just isn't my cup of tea. They grip like a brick and the new rough texture frame is too little too late. They're a budget pistol in every sense of the word. The barrel chambers are oversize and they do not offer an extremely consistent lockup because they are not hand fit. The trigger is heavy, gritty, has excessive creep, excessive overtravel, and too much reset travel for impressive split times. With a stock 1911, I can get split times of 0.18. Tune it up and the splits drop to 0.13.

    To me, a pistol should be a functional piece of art.

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    Feb 12, 2010 3:03 AM GMT
    Glocks are actually very reliable weapons. From what I've heard they are made from a nearly indestructible polymer, and could still fire off shots after being kept in water for over a month.
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    Feb 12, 2010 3:24 AM GMT
    gun lust, like a fast expensive sports car, is compensation for a little dick

    ...just sayin
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    Feb 12, 2010 3:25 AM GMT
    rightasrain saidgun lust, like a fast expensive sports car, is compensation for a little dick


    Who's lusting? Besides, Freud was a quack.
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    Feb 12, 2010 3:25 AM GMT
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    Red_Vespa said
    The problem I have with semi-automatics is that large reciprocating mass, plus the inherent sacrifice in accuracy. A revolver is still the superior handgun for me, and why US Army MPs abandoned the .45 semi for a .38 revolver.


    Let me first state that I own several revolvers and enjoy shooting them. I also respect your opinion of what is best for you. That said, I own a 1911 that will print a 1.273" group at 50 yards. Frankly, there are not many people alive that can physically shoot at that level of accuracy anyway, so I feel the point is moot. I have put about 11,275 rounds through that same 1911 and frankly I cannot remember the last time it malfunctioned. Revolvers are subject to reliability issues as well. I have personally witnessed (twice) in competition where a guy bent his ejector rod during a vigorous reload and the gun locked up. The hand can break or wear and stop properly indexing the cylinder, the bolt can shear causing the cylinder not to lock up (usually during rapid fire), and a small amount of dirt under the extractor star can jam the cylinder solid...

    All true. And I could shoot as well, never handling a US Army weapon, (rifle, pistol or machine gun), with which I did not qualify as Expert, the highest possible rating.

    The problem with the M1911 semi-automatic .45 was that it was an issue weapon in the Army, and the fit between the barrel and the bushing was invariably loose, from heavy use. I always tried to find a 45 that was tight before I went out on the range, but most were so slack you couldn't hit a barn door if you walked right into it.

    So the MP's switch to .38 revolvers made a lot more sense, especially in non-combat situations. A privately owned semi bought new and used lightly might be quite sweet, but in the military in heavy use they lose their accuracy quickly. Reliable, yes, but you also need accuracy to hit your target.
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    Feb 12, 2010 3:26 AM GMT
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    rightasrain saidgun lust, like a fast expensive sports car, is compensation for a little dick


    Who's lusting? Besides, Freud was a quack.


    apparently the OP and a few other posters are excited... and nobody said anything about Freud.
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    Feb 12, 2010 3:27 AM GMT
    True. The M1911s were indeed old and worn out. After all, they were using 1918 vintage pistols in Vietnam and beyond. All of mine require a bushing wrench to strip and have not seen the rigors of Normandy and southeast Asian jungles. icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 12, 2010 3:29 AM GMT
    Pianist saidLet me first state that I own several revolvers and enjoy shooting them. I also respect your opinion of what is best for you. That said, I own a 1911 that will print a 1.273" group at 50 yards. Frankly, there are not many people alive that can physically shoot at that level of accuracy anyway, so I feel the point is moot. I have put about 11,275 rounds through that same 1911 and frankly I cannot remember the last time it malfunctioned. Revolvers are subject to reliability issues as well. I have personally witnessed (twice) in competition where a guy bent his ejector rod during a vigorous reload and the gun locked up. The hand can break or wear and stop properly indexing the cylinder, the bolt can shear causing the cylinder not to lock up (usually during rapid fire), and a small amount of dirt under the extractor star can jam the cylinder solid.

    The Glock just isn't my cup of tea. They grip like a brick and the new rough texture frame is too little too late. They're a budget pistol in every sense of the word. The barrel chambers are oversize and they do not offer an extremely consistent lockup because they are not hand fit. The trigger is heavy, gritty, has excessive creep, excessive overtravel, and too much reset travel for impressive split times. With a stock 1911, I can get split times of 0.18. Tune it up and the splits drop to 0.13.

    ...um... if you were verbally speaking the two paragraphs above to me, that would constitute foreplay.
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    Feb 12, 2010 3:31 AM GMT
    yay guns!! and the right to bear arms (2nd amendment to the U.S. Constitution, for those keeping track). if this world does go to the hell, I want to be able to protect those important to me
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    Feb 12, 2010 3:48 AM GMT
    EasilyDistracted said...um... if you were verbally speaking the two paragraphs above to me, that would constitute foreplay.


    Well, then perhaps we could get together and discuss barrel links and their effect on timing and stem binding. smoking-018.gificon_lol.gif
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    Feb 12, 2010 1:42 PM GMT
    Pianist said
    Red_Vespa said
    The problem I have with semi-automatics is that large reciprocating mass, plus the inherent sacrifice in accuracy. A revolver is still the superior handgun for me, and why US Army MPs abandoned the .45 semi for a .38 revolver.


    Let me first state that I own several revolvers **********
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    I'm not familiar with the Baer, but I still have a Python I purchased in 1978. I do not disagree with you concerning the Glock, but keep in mind it's purpose. It is a field gun.

    Keep the posts coming!!
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    Feb 12, 2010 1:45 PM GMT
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