History of Gay Symbols

  • metta

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    Feb 11, 2010 8:58 AM GMT
    RED NECKTIE

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    The "red necktie" was used as a symbol by gay men prior to the 1950's to let others know of their identity.


    http://queersunited.blogspot.com/2010/02/word-of-gay-red-necktie.html#links
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    Feb 11, 2010 9:21 AM GMT
    Too bad we dont have anything like that now...
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    Feb 11, 2010 12:07 PM GMT
    I knew there had to be a reason why I love wearing my red necktie.
  • DCEric

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    Feb 11, 2010 1:26 PM GMT
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    Feb 11, 2010 1:40 PM GMT
    If anyone has a case study or literature on this subject I would be intested in reading it.

    Wasn't a carnation a gay symbol during Oscar Wilde's time?
  • Little_Spoon

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    Feb 11, 2010 1:43 PM GMT
    We use to have so much style.

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    Feb 11, 2010 1:46 PM GMT
    Thus the colored hankies, I believe.
    Time was, wearing anything by Tommy Hilfiger was once code. icon_lol.gif



    On a similar note, my BF has a parrot that he has taught to say "Merry Christmas".

    Funny the first 225,000 times.

    Lately he's been saying "Merry Chris......" or mostly just "Merry.."

    I told my BF that at least the bird can spot 'em!
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    Feb 11, 2010 2:00 PM GMT
    Ghen saidIf anyone has a case study or literature on this subject I would be intested in reading it.

    Wasn't a carnation a gay symbol during Oscar Wilde's time?


    You're probably thinking of a green carnation in particular--this stems from the publication of a novel called The Green Carnation in 1894, which was a thinly veiled exposé of the relationship between Wilde and Lord Alfred Douglas. The book caused a scandal both in Britain and abroad, and was withdrawn from circulation--the same year that Wilde headed to court to defend himself.
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    Feb 11, 2010 2:25 PM GMT
    cdncuteboy said
    Ghen saidIf anyone has a case study or literature on this subject I would be intested in reading it.

    Wasn't a carnation a gay symbol during Oscar Wilde's time?


    You're probably thinking of a green carnation in particular--this stems from the publication of a novel called The Green Carnation in 1894, which was a thinly veiled exposé of the relationship between Wilde and Lord Alfred Douglas. The book caused a scandal both in Britain and abroad, and was withdrawn from circulation--the same year that Wilde headed to court to defend himself.


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    Feb 11, 2010 2:50 PM GMT
    I thought red was considered the "power necktie" when you're trying to be all Alpha Male. In the 1920s, 30s and 40s ties were heavily decorated, though, so perhaps a solid red tie would have been the exception, I dunno. It had been my understanding that gay men back then would dress "foppy" (effeminate) with an overflowing handkerchief from their jacket breast pocket, with a red or white boutonniere, and a soft felt hat with a wider than average brim, often in a beige or other light color (all men wore hats outdoors with a jacket).

    The Queers United site where the OP photo & quote originated describes itself as "The activist blog uniting the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Queer, Intersexual, Asexual community & Allies..." Think they left anybody out? I don't even know exactly what "intersexual" is, a word my spell checker doesn't recognize.
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:12 PM GMT
    Interesting. I would like to see additional literature to support this. I was always taught that red was a dominant color. My coworkers comment that I always wear a red tie when I'm going to meet one of our ever changing revolving doors of bosses. I find it less messy than peeing everywhere to mark my territory.
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:21 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said...I was always taught that red was a dominant color. ...I find it less messy than peeing everywhere to mark my territory.

    LOL! Yes, that's the commonly accepted opinion today, as I wrote above. So that conversely, there are times when I will avoid wearing a mostly red tie, if going into a situation where I don't want to shout "Look at me! I think I'm in charge here!"

    You'll note in the photo originally posted above of President Obama and his red tie, that VP Biden is wearing a muted blue. I can assure you that's not by accident, and people in those kinds of positions understand the protocol, without needing to be told. If Biden were the President and Obama the Veep, it would have been the other way around.

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    Feb 11, 2010 3:30 PM GMT
    In the 1980's in San Francisco, the buzz was that a certain blue/green tie was the "signal" you were gay when walking in the crowded Financial District during the noon hour or after work.

    Not sure what color would give out the "happy and gay" message in 2010. Maybe this one would work?
    pPOLO2-6876268_lifestyle_t208.jpg
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    Feb 13, 2010 3:41 AM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidIn the 1980's in San Francisco, the buzz was that a certain blue/green tie was the "signal" you were gay when walking in the crowded Financial District during the noon hour or after work.

    Not sure what color would give out the "happy and gay" message in 2010. Maybe this one would work?
    pPOLO2-6876268_lifestyle_t208.jpg


    I agree, I think there should be something universal that the entire spectrum of gay men would be ok with lol.
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    Feb 13, 2010 4:07 AM GMT
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    Jockbod48 saidIn the 1980's in San Francisco, the buzz was that a certain blue/green tie was the "signal" you were gay when walking in the crowded Financial District during the noon hour or after work.

    Not sure what color would give out the "happy and gay" message in 2010. Maybe this one would work?
    pPOLO2-6876268_lifestyle_t208.jpg


    I agree, I think there should be something universal that the entire spectrum of gay men would be ok with lol.


    I think there should be something universal that the entire spectrum of gay men would be ok with Jeez that is a tall order. You can't even get all RJ members to agree on anything.

    But it would be nice wouldn't it.
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    Feb 13, 2010 4:20 AM GMT
    Jockbod48 saidIn the 1980's in San Francisco, the buzz was that a certain blue/green tie was the "signal" you were gay when walking in the crowded Financial District during the noon hour or after work.

    Not sure what color would give out the "happy and gay" message in 2010. Maybe this one would work?
    pPOLO2-6876268_lifestyle_t208.jpg

    no, we got Grindr now.
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    Feb 13, 2010 4:22 AM GMT
    cdncuteboy said
    Ghen saidIf anyone has a case study or literature on this subject I would be intested in reading it.

    Wasn't a carnation a gay symbol during Oscar Wilde's time?


    You're probably thinking of a green carnation in particular--this stems from the publication of a novel called The Green Carnation in 1894, which was a thinly veiled exposé of the relationship between Wilde and Lord Alfred Douglas. The book caused a scandal both in Britain and abroad, and was withdrawn from circulation--the same year that Wilde headed to court to defend himself.


    There has been a lot of actions that was a tip off to your orientation throughout history. Bent, a play written about a gay man in Nazi Germany, had many examples. One of which is the tickle that you make by your middle finger on his palm when you shake someone's hand. Another one would be to smooth over your left eyebrow with your finger. Of course this is where we get the pink triangle.....it was the symbol that the accused homosexuals wore in the death camps in Nazi Germany.
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    Feb 13, 2010 4:57 AM GMT
    DCEric said2009-01-22_obama_closes_gunatanamo_post.
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    Of course she knows,
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    Feb 15, 2010 8:03 AM GMT
    Daytona said
    SoCalNerd said
    Jockbod48 saidIn the 1980's in San Francisco, the buzz was that a certain blue/green tie was the "signal" you were gay when walking in the crowded Financial District during the noon hour or after work.

    Not sure what color would give out the "happy and gay" message in 2010. Maybe this one would work?
    pPOLO2-6876268_lifestyle_t208.jpg


    I agree, I think there should be something universal that the entire spectrum of gay men would be ok with lol.


    I think there should be something universal that the entire spectrum of gay men would be ok with Jeez that is a tall order. You can't even get all RJ members to agree on anything.

    But it would be nice wouldn't it.


    Hahaha yeah it was wishfull thinking.
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    Feb 15, 2010 8:03 AM GMT
    Daytona said
    SoCalNerd said
    Jockbod48 saidIn the 1980's in San Francisco, the buzz was that a certain blue/green tie was the "signal" you were gay when walking in the crowded Financial District during the noon hour or after work.

    Not sure what color would give out the "happy and gay" message in 2010. Maybe this one would work?
    pPOLO2-6876268_lifestyle_t208.jpg


    I agree, I think there should be something universal that the entire spectrum of gay men would be ok with lol.


    I think there should be something universal that the entire spectrum of gay men would be ok with Jeez that is a tall order. You can't even get all RJ members to agree on anything.

    But it would be nice wouldn't it.


    Hahaha yeah it was wishfully thinking.