Does Anybody Else Find This A Little Bit Hair-raising?

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    Feb 11, 2010 2:15 PM GMT

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    Feb 11, 2010 3:03 PM GMT
    hmmmm...if you mean the page not working...then no, it is very common now days :
  • Aus92

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    Feb 11, 2010 3:07 PM GMT
    AHHH A 404!

    *hair rasied*
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:14 PM GMT
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:17 PM GMT
    ...and no I don't. As has been stated before, polls can be made to show anything be phrasing the question in a non-neutral way. I'd like to see the questions this polled asked, word for word, and the cross tabs showing demographic information about who was asked. For all I know this is 10 people living in Dinkytown, Arkansas.

    Edit: Oh wait. This poll. Yeah, this one has been trashed several times over for being heavily weighted by the south and people who are older than 50. This is not news, nor is it hair raising.
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:20 PM GMT
    Oh sweet God in heaven! The boundless terror of a broken link!
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:24 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidOh sweet God in heaven! The boundless terror of a broken link!



    More like the boundless terror of these people who actually believe these ridiculous polls have any basis in truth. Stop the insanity!!!
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:31 PM GMT
    Hmmmm.....could we just expell Alabama from the Union?
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:31 PM GMT
    I can't find anything where any of the leadership of the Republican party denies the findings of this poll.
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:44 PM GMT
    Nothing in that list can compare to allowing Sarah Palin to be the spokesperson for the Republican Party...icon_rolleyes.gif

    Double whammy...

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    Feb 11, 2010 3:44 PM GMT
    McGay saidI can't find anything where any of the leadership of the Republican party denies the findings of this poll.


    It's from the Daily Kos, Dems don't seem to usually pay attention (or at least publicly react) to polls done for conservative pensioners.
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:46 PM GMT
    100% of Democrats hope Sarah Palin becomes the head of the GOP.
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:47 PM GMT
    McGay saidI can't find anything where any of the leadership of the Republican party denies the findings of this poll.


    Probably because the leadership of the Republican Party doesn't think these ridiculous polls are worthy of a response. I mean, c'mon "25% of Republicans think Obama wants the terrorists to succeed"? What moron would believe such lunacy.
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:50 PM GMT
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    McGay saidI can't find anything where any of the leadership of the Republican party denies the findings of this poll.


    Probably because the leadership of the Republican Party doesn't think these ridiculous polls are worthy of a response. I mean, c'mon "25% of Republicans think Obama wants the terrorists to succeed"? What moron would believe such lunacy.


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    DCEric said
    McGay saidI can't find anything where any of the leadership of the Republican party denies the findings of this poll.


    It's from the Daily Kos, Dems don't seem to usually pay attention (or at least publicly react) to polls done for conservative pensioners.


    Similarly, I can't find a poll the Repubs have done that identifies what Dems believe.
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:50 PM GMT
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    GuerrillaSodomite saidOh sweet God in heaven! The boundless terror of a broken link!



    More like the boundless terror of these people who actually believe these ridiculous polls have any basis in truth. Stop the insanity!!!


    Oh, I love ya, but methinks you have an extremely advanced case of Stockholm Syndrome. Quit identifying with your captors/oppressors!!! icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:52 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    McGay saidI can't find anything where any of the leadership of the Republican party denies the findings of this poll.


    Probably because the leadership of the Republican Party doesn't think these ridiculous polls are worthy of a response. I mean, c'mon "25% of Republicans think Obama wants the terrorists to succeed"? What moron would believe such lunacy.



    Rush Limbaugh said as much some time ago. I know he doesn't speak for you as a republican (nobody speaks for you as a republican, you stand alone, we know), but he speaks for a lot of your comrades. Then there's the tea partiers, et al. I think your apology for the repubs rings hollow.
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
    Sarah Palin is so corny. How can anyone take her seriously?
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    Feb 11, 2010 3:58 PM GMT
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    McGay saidRush Limbaugh said as much some time ago. I know he doesn't speak for you as a republican (nobody speaks for you as a republican, you stand alone, we know), but he speaks for a lot of your comrades. Then there's the tea partiers, et al. I think your apology for the repubs rings hollow.

    Really, Rush Limbaugh said that he wants the terrorists to succeed?

    Did you actually HEAR him say that on his show, McCueballhead?


    Shitforbrains - the info goes out far and wide without actually having to subject one's self to the convervative verbal diarrhea, uncleverly labelled 'entertainment'. Y'know, you're supposed to try to restore foresekin over your dickhead, not the one on your shoulders.
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    Feb 11, 2010 4:01 PM GMT
    538.comTo be honest, I'm inclined to agree with some of the critiques of the Kos poll's methodology. In particular, it's hard for me to believe that the questions the poll asked -- they led with questions about whether Obama should be impeached, whether he was born in the United States, and whether he's a socialist -- did not some how condition the responses to the latter questions, or induce some of the more moderate Republicans to drop out of the sample. Honestly, if I'd been up at my aunt and uncle's place in Maine (they're moderate, Olympia Snowe lovin', New England Republicans), and we had this poll on speaker phone and the first few questions were about impeachment and socialism, I'd probably have started to make some funny faces and to wonder aloud about the propriety of the poll. These questions are just very different from the sorts of questions that pollsters usually ask, especially at the beginning of a survey. (Just like a good wine list, the rule of thumb is to work from light and neutral to heavier and more pungent questions.)

    Indeed, there was another question that the R2K/Kos poll asked where I found the responses even more surprising. That was the question which asked: "Should openly gay men and women be allowed to teach in public schools?" Only 8 percent of Republicans, according to the poll, said yes!

    This seems like a very traditional, almost 1950s style of response. There must be thousands of openly gay teachers, and it's not like there are constantly these huge controversies about whether they should be kicked out of the classroom -- which, if only 8 percent of Republicans thought that they should be allowed to teach, I imagine that there would be in some redder districts. The General Social Survey asks a somewhat similar question -- "And what about a man who admits that he is a homosexual? Should such a person be allowed to teach in a college, or university, or not?" On that survey in 2008 (the last time it was conducted), 75 percent of those who identified themselves as "strong Republicans" thought that the gay person should be allowed to teach. Admittedly, there is an important difference between the General Social Survey, which asked about teaching in college, and the Kos survey, which asks about public schools. But a difference between 75 percent and 8 percent? Color me skeptical.

    In short, it appears to me that the Kos/Research 2000 poll -- probably for reasons having to do with the nature and ordering of the questions although other hypothesis are plausible -- wound up with a very and perhaps unrepresenatively conservative set of Republicans. Upon further examination, I'd encourage caution in interpreting its results. I'm happy that pollsters are exploring "politically incorrect" attitudes such as these, but they require a lot of sensitivity to survey design. I'm not sure that Research 2000's methodology, which led by hitting the respondent over the head with a 2x4 with questions about impeachment and socialism, really got it right.
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    Feb 11, 2010 4:06 PM GMT
    BiGymGuy saidNothing in that list can compare to allowing Sarah Palin to be the spokesperson for the Republican Party...icon_rolleyes.gif

    Double whammy...






    BiGymGuy, I'm just curious, explain to me what about this clip of Sarah Palin on Glenn Beck makes her necessarily unworthy in your eyes to be a spokesperson. I'm curious because for the life of me I cannot see what it is that she said that would get anyone riled up. She was supportive of Barrack Obama, she was positive and gracious. Give me one intelligent reason other than perhaps you don't get her folksy style or whatever, but what did she say that would diem her a "Double Whammy" unworthy of being a spokesperson for the Republican Party? Because I watch that clip and what I see is a down-to-earth, real, extremely likable Governor, wife, mom, American, who, like it or not, managed to get herself elected to the highest office in a state. A woman who, like it or not, managed to be one of only two women in U.S. history to be nominated as Vice President for a major political party.
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    Feb 11, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    McGay said
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    McGay saidI can't find anything where any of the leadership of the Republican party denies the findings of this poll.


    Probably because the leadership of the Republican Party doesn't think these ridiculous polls are worthy of a response. I mean, c'mon "25% of Republicans think Obama wants the terrorists to succeed"? What moron would believe such lunacy.



    Rush Limbaugh said as much some time ago. I know he doesn't speak for you as a republican (nobody speaks for you as a republican, you stand alone, we know), but he speaks for a lot of your comrades. Then there's the tea partiers, et al. I think your apology for the repubs rings hollow.



    Well, see, there is where YOU and so many like you are so sadly mistaken. Rush Limbaugh speaks for himself. He is, if nothing else, an entertainer with a radio show. Yes, he speaks to Republicans, but by no means does he speak FOR Republicans.
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    Feb 11, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    If you hadn't covered your ears, you might be able to hear, and subsequently listen.
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    Feb 11, 2010 4:13 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ said
    BiGymGuy saidNothing in that list can compare to allowing Sarah Palin to be the spokesperson for the Republican Party...icon_rolleyes.gif

    Double whammy...






    BiGymGuy, I'm just curious, explain to me what about this clip of Sarah Palin on Glenn Beck makes her necessarily unworthy in your eyes to be a spokesperson. I'm curious because for the life of me I cannot see what it is that she said that would get anyone riled up. She was supportive of Barrack Obama, she was positive and gracious. Give me one intelligent reason other than perhaps you don't get her folksy style or whatever, but what did she say that would diem her a "Double Whammy" unworthy of being a spokesperson for the Republican Party? Because I watch that clip and what I see is a down-to-earth, real, extremely likable Governor, wife, mom, American, who, like it or not, managed to get herself elected to the highest office in a state. A woman who, like it or not, managed to be one of only two women in U.S. history to be nominated as Vice President for a major political party.



    She and Glenn are just so full of emotional advertising and advertising sells. Now, that said, so is every OTHER politician!

    I certainly understand your point and it just seems to me that even in this clip, I'd like to throttle the 2 of them.

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    Feb 11, 2010 4:13 PM GMT
    Thanks, I see you have a sense of humor.