So I tried to give blood on Tuesday.

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    Feb 11, 2010 9:11 PM GMT
    So I never really payed attention to who can and cannot give blood at a blood drive or where ever. I was asked if I had done anything with a guy and I was being completely honest so I said that I did. I told them that the last time I had ever had sexual contact with another person was in 2007 so I thought I was good there.


    The next time that I will be allowed to attempt giving blood is 271 years from now.

    I don't know if my reaction to this is sound, but I feel a little less useful as a person because they wouldn't take my blood because of my sexual experience with a guy. They said that they don't even want to run the risk of HIV infected blood, but a lesbian can donate blood...and a drug addict that uses a medical needle to inject illegal drugs in their system can before a gay guy can. That's what the lady who was asking me the questions said to me. She was really sad that she couldn't take my blood.

    I don't know, that was like the first time I've ever really been told I couldn't do something because I'm gay. It made me feel really bad.

    Am I thinking about this in the wrong way? All I wanted to do was possibly help someone who needed my blood.icon_sad.gif
  • Timbales

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    Feb 11, 2010 9:12 PM GMT
    I know how you feel, it's not a very sound system.
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    Feb 11, 2010 9:17 PM GMT
    Yeah it is sad!

    However, someone else opened a similar topic, you might wanna read the comments posted in it. icon_smile.gif
  • Celticmusl

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    Feb 11, 2010 10:11 PM GMT
    The FDA is restricting you from giving blood. I just recently was a volunteer for the Red Cross and learned a lot of interesting information about the procedures. The Screener that you spoke with is being monitored by the FDA and a great deal of scrutiny goes into the screening process.

    Don't feel too bad, a great many people are turned away through the screening process for blood drives. I would say over 10% typically.

    http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/BloodBloodProducts/QuestionsaboutBlood/default.htm

    If you want to be proactive, you can always volunteer your time to work with the Red Cross at the blood drives. It looks good on your resume too. I hope this information helps you feel better. icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 11, 2010 10:13 PM GMT
    Soulasphyxi saidSo I never really payed attention to who can and cannot give blood at a blood drive or where ever. I was asked if I had done anything with a guy and I was being completely honest so I said that I did. I told them that the last time I had ever had sexual contact with another person was in 2007 so I thought I was good there.


    The next time that I will be allowed to attempt giving blood is 271 years from now.

    I don't know if my reaction to this is sound, but I feel a little less useful as a person because they wouldn't take my blood because of my sexual experience with a guy. They said that they don't even want to run the risk of HIV infected blood, but a lesbian can donate blood...and a drug addict that uses a medical needle to inject illegal drugs in their system can before a gay guy can. That's what the lady who was asking me the questions said to me. She was really sad that she couldn't take my blood.

    I don't know, that was like the first time I've ever really been told I couldn't do something because I'm gay. It made me feel really bad.

    Am I thinking about this in the wrong way? All I wanted to do was possibly help someone who needed my blood.icon_sad.gif


    You're thinking right.

    This procedure the answer to HIV that was put forth by the GOP and Ronald Reagan.

    There's lots of reasons to get denied. Too thin, too fat, heart to fast, heart to slow, queer, hepatitis, etc.

    I have a rare AB type, if I'm remembering right, so they like me.

    If you've ever sold plasma (you don't donate it; you sell it), you'll lots of guys you would swear are gay, but, maybe they lied in their screenings.
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    Feb 11, 2010 10:21 PM GMT
    In Canada we have the same questions on the form for Canadian Blood Services when you donate blood.

    I used to donate regularly in highschool, then I came out and answered truthfully, and haven't donated since.

    Even if you LIE to the person filling out the questionnaire, there was a little sealable fold up flap that you were required to complete in privacy.

    The sole question there was - If Male, have you had sex with another male since 1983?

    And I was told if I answered yes, my blood would be disposed of. At the time, that made me feel insignificant and wrong for coming out. (Now, I just don't think about it)

    Later on - we had a BIG Hep C issue with the Red Cross (Hence the name change and the gov't taking over the blood banks.) Blood was not screened for Hep C and alot of transfusion recipients contracted the disease.

    I don't understand why they don't screen/test the blood ... do they actually just use it AS IS?



  • Celticmusl

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    Feb 11, 2010 10:24 PM GMT
    DolGe saidIn Canada we have the same questions on the form for Canadian Blood Services when you donate blood.

    I used to donate regularly in highschool, then I came out and answered truthfully, and haven't donated since.

    Even if you LIE to the person filling out the questionnaire, there was a little sealable fold up flap that you were required to complete in privacy.

    The sole question there was - If Male, have you had sex with another male since 1983?

    And I was told if I answered yes, my blood would be disposed of. At the time, that made me feel insignificant and wrong for coming out. (Now, I just don't think about it)

    Later on - we had a BIG Hep C issue with the Red Cross (Hence the name change and the gov't taking over the blood banks.) Blood was not screened for Hep C and alot of transfusion recipients contracted the disease.

    I don't understand why they don't screen/test the blood ... do they actually just use it AS IS?







    I know in the U.S. the blood is screened/tested thoroughly, and the questionnaire is just another way to screen the donors as another safety precaution.
  • OptimusMatt

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    Feb 11, 2010 10:25 PM GMT
    Don't feel bad, or less than a person - you've done nothing wrong.

    And quite frankly, if there really WAS a blood shortage they would invest the money to test all samples that come through, rather than a random sampling.

    So everytime you see that "blood shortage, call 1-888-2donate" just think to yourself "Go fuck yourself"

    YOU are not the problem
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    Feb 11, 2010 10:35 PM GMT
    Oh, they LOVE my type O-Negative blood until I answer their questions honestly. Then they back away. Doesn't matter that I have no diseases, but they are only hurting themselves in the long run.
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    Feb 11, 2010 10:37 PM GMT
    Go to forum thread 776209 for a full discussion on why some cannot donate blood.
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    Feb 11, 2010 10:39 PM GMT
    Your experience was a very gentle one. I used to donate blood, I started to do so at the beginning of the 1980s. Then the gay plauge come along ,and children where being infected from contaminated blood. I did a blood donation, declared my sexuality, and got a letter requesting me to go back to the blood bank, where they proceeded to abuse me for donating blood, and told be I would be banded for life for doing so. I to this day am still HIV-, and yes dyke's are alowed to donate blood.. More proof it's harder being a poof than it is a lesbian, as we have to endure more trials and tribulation.
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    Feb 11, 2010 10:39 PM GMT
    Soundwave saidDon't feel bad, or less than a person - you've done nothing wrong.

    And quite frankly, if there really WAS a blood shortage they would invest the money to test all samples that come through, rather than a random sampling.

    So everytime you see that "blood shortage, call 1-888-2donate" just think to yourself "Go fuck yourself"

    YOU are not the problem



    Soundwave - you're right - "It's in you to give" .. but since they don't want it then so be it ...

    I used to be indignant about the whole thing, but realized that there's really nothing I can do about it until policy changes. So now I look at it as a very sad and unfortunate policy for these people who really need transfusions.
  • Celticmusl

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    Feb 11, 2010 10:42 PM GMT
    Soundwave saidDon't feel bad, or less than a person - you've done nothing wrong.

    And quite frankly, if there really WAS a blood shortage they would invest the money to test all samples that come through, rather than a random sampling.

    So everytime you see that "blood shortage, call 1-888-2donate" just think to yourself "Go fuck yourself"

    YOU are not the problem



    So the FDA will not let male homosexuals donate blood so you want to tell a volunteer of the Red Cross that is helping to collect blood for you or your family's surgery to go fuck themselves? Great. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Seriously, does anyone read anyone else's responses? They test all the blood.

    And you can help by volunteering some time to the Red Cross. What is there to feel bad about?
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    Feb 11, 2010 10:49 PM GMT
    I agree with you that it sucks to be told you CAN'T do something because you're gay.
    Look at it this way though, dude you tried. It's not like they asked and you said no!
    I was totally bummed about it a year ago when i went to give blood, i hadn't had sex but had done other things... rejected!!!
    My mate who was hetro and had unprotected sex was dragged off to table and they couldn't wait to shove needles into her.
    It's unjust, but you tried! The system needs changing, not your attitude.

    We just need a really rich gay guy to open a blood donor clinic specifically for gay men and somehow get some gay blood transfused into the pope... that would be funny!
  • GQjock

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    Feb 11, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
    Can anyone spell H-O-M-O-P-H-O-B-I-A ?
  • OptimusMatt

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    Feb 11, 2010 10:58 PM GMT
    Celticmusl said
    Soundwave said



    So the FDA will not let male homosexuals donate blood so you want to tell a volunteer of the Red Cross that is helping to collect blood for you or your family's surgery to go fuck themselves? Great. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Seriously, does anyone read anyone else's responses? They test all the blood.

    And you can help by volunteering some time to the Red Cross. What is there to feel bad about?


    No, I would not be so crass as to tell some volunteer who likely does not agree with said policy to go fuck themself. I'd think it, but I'd be polite enough to outline my views on said policy in an eloquent fashion.

    But I do, and will continue, to think it. I DO feel burned here - how many white trash street hicks can go in and sell their blood yet me, a healthy 20-something male speciman cannot? Because I take it up the butt?

    It's a slap in the face, and it stings. But I wouldn't ream the volunteer out. I fully understand the "I'm just the messenger" stance. But the policy is horseshit, and I will NOT stop being indignant about that.

    *shrugs*
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    Feb 11, 2010 11:16 PM GMT
    it's the same in Australia, I can't give blood, I can't give plasma, I can't give bone marrow (I tried to sign up to be a bone marrow donor) I can't given nuffin, but gawd forbid I die and my organs are useful, they'll take'em then!
  • Anto

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    Feb 11, 2010 11:20 PM GMT
    They should specify the type of sex though, isn't that what matters?
    What if a gay guy has only masturbated with other guys like some straight guys have done?

    What about black people? Aren't they higher risk for HIV than whites considering population number? So shouldn't blacks automatically be banned from giving blood or is that just not politically correct? Imagined if that happened!
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    Feb 11, 2010 11:22 PM GMT
    What really doesn't make sense about this policy is that (as I understand it) donated blood is screened for HIV and Hep B anyway.

    So why should anyone not be allowed to donate?
  • Anto

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    Feb 11, 2010 11:23 PM GMT
    lilTanker saidit's the same in Australia, I can't give blood, I can't give plasma, I can't give bone marrow (I tried to sign up to be a bone marrow donor) I can't given nuffin, but gawd forbid I die and my organs are useful, they'll take'em then!


    Really? I think there are certain restrictions in organ donation as well from gay people.
  • Anto

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    Feb 11, 2010 11:23 PM GMT
    Global_Citizen saidWhat really doesn't make sense about this policy is that (as I understand it) donated blood is screened for HIV and Hep B anyway.

    So why should anyone not be allowed to donate?


    Probably because some still gets through and since homosexuals are diseased why increase the risk right? icon_neutral.gif
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    Feb 11, 2010 11:29 PM GMT
    Anto said
    lilTanker saidit's the same in Australia, I can't give blood, I can't give plasma, I can't give bone marrow (I tried to sign up to be a bone marrow donor) I can't given nuffin, but gawd forbid I die and my organs are useful, they'll take'em then!


    Really? I think there are certain restrictions in organ donation as well from gay people.

    my license doesn't state my sexuality, only my organ donation, they don't check with family members to find out your sexuality, just that you accept that you specified organ donation (which my entire family knows), they don't check into anything, they look at your license if it's available, if it says yes, they check viability, if they believe they can be useful, my organs are accepted and transplanted into the most needed people.

    My Cardiologist wants my heart!
  • Celticmusl

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    Feb 11, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
    Soundwave said
    Celticmusl said
    Soundwave said



    So the FDA will not let male homosexuals donate blood so you want to tell a volunteer of the Red Cross that is helping to collect blood for you or your family's surgery to go fuck themselves? Great. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Seriously, does anyone read anyone else's responses? They test all the blood.

    And you can help by volunteering some time to the Red Cross. What is there to feel bad about?


    No, I would not be so crass as to tell some volunteer who likely does not agree with said policy to go fuck themself. I'd think it, but I'd be polite enough to outline my views on said policy in an eloquent fashion.

    But I do, and will continue, to think it. I DO feel burned here - how many white trash street hicks can go in and sell their blood yet me, a healthy 20-something male speciman cannot? Because I take it up the butt?

    It's a slap in the face, and it stings. But I wouldn't ream the volunteer out. I fully understand the "I'm just the messenger" stance. But the policy is horseshit, and I will NOT stop being indignant about that.

    *shrugs*



    I agree with a lot of what you say at this point. But as soon as I found out the big bureaucracy of the FDA was involved that explained everything. The FDA is the same organization that took Red Yeast Rice off the market because this natural supplement decreased bad cholesterol better than the prescription drugs.
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    Feb 12, 2010 12:13 AM GMT
    SteamyWeenie saidlol this is great! i always find em trying to hunt me down in front of supermarkets and i always have to give them some lame excuse because they wont take 'no' for an answer. i tell them 'i just got a tattoo' or 'i just did lots of e last night so maybe another time' and it never works! unbelievable! all i've had to do was just be honest about myself and all was good to go! i think its a fantastic thing actually. i dont want to give blood. i dont buy that 'we need it, you ought to if ur good for the needy'... no. buzz off. its my blood. i actually have two little tubes with me from when i've gone to the doctors office for blood exams. i always ask em for one of my own to keep and the chick is super awesome and lets me keep em. its hawt. n the cool thing is that if u leave it sittin there, the blood and the plasma seperate into two different segments and unless u shake it up, it looks like oil and some kind of substance with color. super cool. this recent vial that i got though did something weird where it didnt just seperate into two different things. at the bottom, its a bunch of red blood cells and then it appears as if it made a tower. i kid u not. it looks sorta like what a sand castle would look like on the sand. visible in a 360 view if the sand was in a little vial. on top of the castle, (which is also made of red blood cells btw just like sand castles are made from whatevers underneath; aka sand) the rest is plasma. ill post a picture one of these days. its really neat. but dont feel bad. why save a hetero when a hetero wont save u? screw them! our blood is sacred and it oughta be kept as such. i would hope society's approval would be worth little to squat to some of u guys right about now.


    Holy misdirected anger batman.

    *sigh* The people who make these rules are just trying to prevent people from getting HIV. They're not homophobic. They're not trying to take away your rights. They're just taking extra precautions to prevent the spread of a very serious virus, and understandably so. Give them a fucking break people.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Feb 12, 2010 12:13 AM GMT
    As a point of clarification, Chucky's slightly off about plasma. While it is possible to sell plasma in some cases, it's also entirely possible to donate it, and whether you can be paid for your plasma is highly dependent on where you are and who the plasma is going to. Red Cross centers often have apheresis equipment, where the blood is pumped into a machine, separated into its constituent parts, and that which you are not donating is pumped back into your other arm. Depending on the center's need, your health, donation history, etc, they may choose to take different components of your blood: extra red blood cells, plasma, and platelets are the most common options. At such centers, these are indeed donations, though the center will often have some sort of incentive system to compensate apheresis donors at a much higher rate than whole blood donors; the procedure takes substantially longer, and requires you to keep both arms immobile for the entire time. It also generally requires an appointment. At my local center, for instance, every 3rd donation of platelets gets you some physical item, with the worth of the item escalating as you make more donations.

    You're still banned for life for a single sexual encounter with another man after 1977, where the Red Cross defines sex as mouth/tongue to penis/vagina, penis to anus, or penis to vagina contact. The Red Cross is quite unhappy about this rule, and would prefer one based upon length of time since previous contact and history of HIV - test results, but it's currently ruled by the FDA's declarations. As it is, the policy that you're safe to donate 12 months and a negative HIV test after unprotected vaginal intercourse with a prostitute, but are ineligible 5 years of celibacy after receiving oral sex from another man is, well, insane.

    But, if it helps your mindset, you're not banned so much for being gay as for having had insertive gay sex. Virgin gays, and gays who stick to mutual masturbation are allowed to donate. It doesn't make you being banned right, but some guys I know find it better knowing that the disqualifying questions are based on actions, not inclinations.