PETA in the News

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    Jan 15, 2008 4:16 PM GMT
    Andy Towle is reporting:

    " PETA killed 97% of the dogs, cats, and other pets it took in for adoption in 2006: "During that year, the well-known animal rights group managed to find adoptive homes for just 12 pets. The nonprofit Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF) is calling on PETA to either end its hypocritical angel-of-death program, or stop its senseless condemnation of Americans who believe it's perfectly ethical to use animals for food, clothing, and critical medical research. Not counting animals PETA held only temporarily in its spay-neuter program, the organization took in 3,061 'companion animals' in 2006, of which it killed 2,981. According to Virginia's Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services (VDACS), the average euthanasia rate for humane societies in the state was just 34.7 percent in 2006. PETA killed 97.4 percent of the animals it took in. The organization filed its 2006 report this month, nine months after the VDACS deadline of March 31, 2007. 'Pet lovers should be outraged,' said CCF Director of Research David Martosko. 'There are thousands of worthwhile animal shelters that deserve Americans' support. PETA is not one of them.' In courtroom testimony last year, a PETA manager acknowledged that her organization maintains a large walk-in freezer for storing dead animals, and that PETA contracts with a Virginia cremation service to dispose of the bodies. In that trial, two PETA employees were convicted of dumping dead animals in a rural North Carolina trash dumpster."

    From PR Newswire http://sev.prnewswire.com/publishing-information-services/20080111/DC1129510012008-1.html

    I posted this just for a certain hippie...
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    Jan 15, 2008 4:20 PM GMT
    Absolute monsters! Anyone supporting them should hang their head in shame! SHAME I SAY! SHAAAAAMMMMEEE!
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    Jan 15, 2008 4:51 PM GMT
    Keep in mind, PETA doesn't usually take in animals unless they are on deaths door or too ill to be treated on "location". They have a portable veterinary clinic on wheels that they drive around to treat, give shots and feed and give shelter to pets that aren't taken care of or are used for fighting . The only way they take them in is if the owner signs off their rights, which is only "worst case scenarios". They feed them like kings and hold them while they are being euthanized, perhaps the only kindness they will ever know. They take in animals in much worse condition than the animals received by the Humane society. Abandoned puppies aren't delivered to PETA , so obviously comparing percentages is a little unfair. Another thing to keep in mind is the "outraged" group you are quoting. The " Center for consumer freedom" is a food and restaurant group defending their rights to eat meat. "CCF receives financial support from restaurants, food companies, and a growing number of ordinary people who recognize that their right to eat meat, drink milk, wear fur, enjoy the circus, hunt, and fish are in serious jeopardy." But in this article, they are worried about pet owners? You do the math on that one. You don't have to agree with their tactics or propaganda but you can't say they are mean to animals or want them dead. Watch "I am an animal" on HBO to see what happens at PETA and why they put animals to sleep that can't be sent to a home or sanctuary.
    Listen, I get annoyed by PETA too, Ingrid Newkirk has little sympathy for anyone who believes anything outside of her agenda, but to get so angry at them is a little bizarre. They have some pretty great programs in the winter to deliver dog houses to dogs who are chained out in the cold without shelter or living in over turned trash cans which are popular "homes" in the inner city. PETA isn't the problem, people who abuse animals and act irresponsibly as pet owners are. I wish the PETA posts would just stop especially if it is just ITJOCK trying to pick a senseless fight again.
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    Jan 15, 2008 4:59 PM GMT
    crazy PETA
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    Jan 15, 2008 5:03 PM GMT
    I am all for the ethical treatment of animals - if it makes them taste better.
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    Jan 15, 2008 5:23 PM GMT
    mnjock,

    Thanks. I didn't know that. I retract my sarcastic remark.
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    Jan 15, 2008 5:47 PM GMT
    Thanks for putting it in perspective mnjock. I'm glad you pay more attention than some of the people that start these threads.
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    Jan 16, 2008 5:20 AM GMT
    It's ok mcgay, I have learned to appreciate your humor.
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    Jan 16, 2008 2:35 PM GMT
    Where the hell is hippie4lyfe when you need him? I wonder if he has any of those PETA films showing the 2,981 animals being killed? icon_rolleyes.gif

    Would PETA report themselves? Hmmmm?? icon_wink.gif

    WWPETAD...
    What would PETA do? icon_wink.gif
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    Jan 16, 2008 2:43 PM GMT
    PETA is an interesting organization, I'd rather align with the ASPCA personally but you have to admire PETA's crazy conviction sometime.
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    Jan 17, 2008 7:26 PM GMT
    mnjock2003 do you have any proof for what you have just posted. I can tell you are a supporter of PETA and therefore see things as they feed you.

    PETA is a crazy organization with a bunch of liberal city folk trying to tell farmers what to do, and the rest of us how to eat. They do hurt animals. In Michigan several years ago a PETA group let a bunch or rodeo bulls lose to save them from abuse. One got hit on the road and dies, I am glad they saved him.

    I am not for abuse of animals but a lot of PETA people want to stop horse racing, sled dog racing, farming and even pet ownership. We can not and should not support this organization with money. Did you know animal abuse organizations receive significantly more money then child abuse and domestic violence organizations do?

    In our county animal control officers with no education make about 10,000 more per yr then child protection officers do. Come on America people first animals second. PETA never.
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    Jan 17, 2008 7:54 PM GMT
    icon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gificon_eek.gif nuf said!
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    Jan 19, 2008 4:17 PM GMT
    Cowboy up north,
    First of all, you jump to a lot of conclusions. Yes, I have given money for dog shelters created by PETA. It is a very specific program they do in the winter. I am college educated and I am very good at deciding for myself what is real and what is imagined. I have never once believed anything PETA fed me just because they said it. I am very skeptical of any special interest group. I have had a number of personal experiences that shape what I know and believe about animals. I have best friends on both sides of the table and family members who have farms. Just because I am a vegetarian does not mean I am an idiot who follows PETA blindly.
    They are the largest animal rights group in the world and , as a result, are constantly audited. They are also considered terrorists by the US government so they are constantly under scrutiny. They can't get their hands too dirty because they would be shut down. I do not support a majority of their tactics. I have a childhood friend who works in the main office of PETA so I know first hand what happens there. Everyone will have their own ideas and experiences , so I have no interest in arguing with you. The post was based off skewed reporting and just spreading more lies. According to forms reported to the government, PETA took in 9637 animals in 2006. 6575 of those were reclaimed by the owners, 12 were adopted, 46 were sent to a sanctuary and 2981 were euthanized. As for having video of the euthanization done by PETA , yes , it is on video. Watch 'I am an Animal' if you are interested in seeing it. They do not run from the fact that it is part of what they do. People also have to realize, it is the animal liberation front which sets animals loose and trashes labs etc. NOT PETA. They are often mistaken for each other. So when you hear a story, like your bull story, keep in mind it isn't usually PETA if it involves freeing animals. PETA is responsible for propoganda, pamphlets,under cover investigations, picketing and legislation.
    PETA does want people to stop eating meat, of course, but they also consider it a victory when Burger King pledges to start buying more free range meat and eggs and slowly end their relationships with factory farms. Meat eaters are benefiting from PETAs work also.
    Furthermore , your argument about children's rights in a post about PETA killing animals seems slightly ridiculous. The two couldn't be more separate. PETA is privately funded. They aren't taking money from children's organizations and aren't responsible for city payroll. I would imagine it is possible for people to care about both, at least us "city folk".
    Listen...in all honesty I could care less about people eating meat or whatever.. my issue is false reporting to start a fight. It seems so many people on here have all these ideas that just aren't based on fact.
    Everyone was so fucking outraged by Michael Vick and his treatment of animals and they were ready to burn him at the stake. PETA deals with that shit everyday. I don't think I had ever noticed how hypocritical Americans are when it comes to their ability to have a great relationship with a companion animal, but can't comprehend the life of a farm or lab animal with a higher intelligence than that of a dog or cat.
    It is really hard to have thoughtful conversations about quite a few topics on here and that is unfortunate. If you aren't versed on the subject posted, you shouldn't feel the need to respond. It is damaging for the people who are really looking for genuine information. That goes for Hippie4lyfe's postings too. They are just as skewed and one sided and always inspire people to post about how delicious turkey, steak, fish etc. are. It is so exciting and provocative to read about what you had for lunch. Genius, really.
    Wether or not you support PETA, and i know most of you don't, you should at least know the basic facts, not the ramblings of organizations CREATED just to discredit the work PETA does because they themselves have been burned.
    So enjoy whatever you eat and you don't have to post how delicious your meat filled lunch is, I get it.
    I wouldn't think of disrespecting or judging you for what you believe ....but it never fails, mention PETA or being a vegetarian and everyone goes ape shit and mentions TOFU titties. Just once, I would love to see some truth in the postings from the other side of the argument.
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    Jan 19, 2008 5:00 PM GMT
    PETA's problem is they take such a moral high ground which leads them down the road of hypocrisy. Lets be pragmatic here, they have a shelter where they take in sick and wounded animals. That said, allot of animals will be put to rest. However, PETA has come under fire for this before. Not just in the amount of animals they've put to rest but also the conditions of which the animals are held. This is a perfect example of an organization getting in over it's head and struggling to properly address the volume they are dealing with.

    This is no excuse however! There is a responsible way of doing things and then there's what PETA is doing. Any organization throwing stones better not be living in a glass house. PETA is proving it's self to be a glass menagerie.
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    Jan 19, 2008 5:07 PM GMT
    What is the difference between the moral high ground PETA is taking and America's 10 minute outrage over michael Vick and his dog fighting? aren't we all on shaky ground when it comes to our own morality? If we were all who we professed or aspired to be morally , wouldn't the cultural landscape be 100% different then it is today. There is something to be said for idealism and trying and putting your money where your mouth is. People worship the humane society.. but are you inspired by the living conditions there? of course not. If they really had all of this money they supposedly have, i imagine the conditions would be better. It is a whole lot better than a trash can or chained outside all winter.
    Is the alternative just bitching and moaning and attacking each other over semantics? ... oh wait, that's what most of these forums are about. I forgot.
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    Jan 19, 2008 5:17 PM GMT
    The moral high ground is tricky, especially when the people taking it don't live up to the standards they scrutinize others for not meeting. I'm not making comparisons here, but coming from the perspective that PETA is no more immune from hypocracy than any other organization.

    Bitching, complaining, acting and changing are all interconnected. Idealism is a wonderful thing! But what's more important is taking things one step at a time, being responsible for your actions and not letting your idealism interfere with your ability to function properly. PETA, through starting this massive aid program, has stretched it's self too thin and can't properly address the needs of all the animals they bring in. It's unfortunate but true.

    Good intentions gone wrong, I say.
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    Jan 19, 2008 5:20 PM GMT
    If you're not careful mnjock, people will start thinking you're hot AND smarticon_wink.gif
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    Jan 19, 2008 5:27 PM GMT
    RBY71 saidIf you're not careful mnjock, people will start thinking you're hot AND smarticon_wink.gif


    Even the omnivores might, the gods forbid.
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    Jan 19, 2008 5:30 PM GMT
    At least someone finally acknowledged that they have good intentions. My feeling is that the person starting this post had a little less than good intentions. Which was my point in making the clarifications. If you believe animals are suffering, which PETA does, it is difficult to turn their back which is why they make videos and picket and all of the other controversial efforts. It is all about fund raising and raising their profile to further their cause.
    We know what Hippie4lyfe believes because he is doing something about what he is passionate about . My question would be for CowboyupNorth . What are you doing about child welfare if you are so concerned about the great imbalance? Enlighten us.
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    Jan 19, 2008 5:48 PM GMT
    Oh indeed, PETA aren't some twisted cult making animal sacrifices pretending to care for animals. They're just a big top heavy organization with issues.

    As for funding, they are very well funded. Personally, I think they need better management. Especially because of how vast their reach is, they're now getting tangled in issues of federal standards, etc. They're huge now and need to start standardizing their practices more.

    I'm not a big fan of huge organizations anyway. In my view, small independent groups do a much better job and if there are problems and issues, they have less of an impact because the scale is much smaller.

    In 2006 PETA took in 3,061 animals and uthenized 2,981. If this issue had occurred on a smaller scale, that figures ratio would be the same but far less staggering.
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    Jan 19, 2008 5:54 PM GMT
    "In 2006 PETA took in 3,061 animals and uthenized 2,981. If this issue had occurred on a smaller scale, that figures ratio would be the same but far less staggering".

    What they are leaving out is the amount of pets reclaimed by owners after they were treated and taken care of at PETA.. that is why this post is so wrong. That percentage is based on the"so called adoptable" pets that were abandoned or given over because their condition was so bad..thus leaving them unadoptable. Peta took in over 9000 animals in 2006, look at Government papers. Their euthanasia rate among all animals taken in is around 30% .. same as the Humane society and same as any animal protection agency. They are not the exception.
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    Jan 19, 2008 6:02 PM GMT
    mnjock2003 said My question would be for CowboyupNorth . What are you doing about child welfare if you are so concerned about the great imbalance? Enlighten us.


    Should I send you my resume and CV. I conducted 27 national and state presentations last year several while using my vacation time and at no charge if it was for a womens shelter or non- for profit. I have written and was awarded a technical assistance grant to train probation officers around the country on victim centered practices. I have a book deal on the table and have contributed to sever bench books used by judges around the country. I have participated at no fee in two separate training videos for Judges and prosecutors. My Bio goes like this;

    Cowboyupnoth is a probation officer responsible for overseeing the policies and practices of Intensive Probation for Domestic Violence offenders in Ann Arbor MI. He was assigned to the Washtenaw County Domestic Violence Unit as part of the Judicial Oversight Demonstration Initiative from 1999 to 2005 and works from a system perspective to enhance victim’s safety and defendant accountability. He has worked as a provider of batterer intervention within the Detroit metropolitan area since 1995. Before joining the criminal justice system in 1993, he worked as the clinical director of Straight, Inc., a family oriented substance abuse program for drug using young people and their families.

    In 1998, Jim was appointed by the Mayor of Ann Arbor to serve on the Ann Arbor Domestic Violence Coordinating Board. He has served two terms as a Regional Representative for the Batterer Intervention Services Coalition of Michigan and has been active with them since 1997. He has also been an active member of the Arab American Domestic Violence Coalition since 2001. In 2002 he received a certificate of appreciation for outstanding service on behalf of crime victims from the Washtenaw County Prosecutors office.

    Jim has designed and conducted training’s, on the effective interviewing of domestic violence offenders and victims. Jim has endeavored to change the focus of the victim interview from that of “information gatherer” to that of “information provider”. In addition Jim trains on the utilization of probation group reporting to gain better compliance, and using the community to assist in the monitoring of batterers and the enhancement of victims and children’s safety. Jim has been faculty for several organizations including the 28 different probation associations, VERA institute of Justice, the Michigan Judicial Institute, Batterer Intervention Services Coalition of Michigan, Greenbook, The Battered Women’s Justice Project, American Probation & Parole Association, The National Association of Pretrial Services Agencies, the American Prosecutors Research Institutes National Institute on the Prosecution of Domestic Violence., The National Collage of District Court Attorneys Domestic Violence Conference, Praxis International, and The Presidents Family Justice Centers, The National Council of Juvenile and Family Court Judges, The State Courts Administration Office etc.

    Jim has been a Certified Addition Counselor-R since 1987 and an Internationally Certified Alcohol and Drug Counselor since 1990. He received his Master's degree in social work from the University of Michigan in 1995.

    I continue to read, stay updated on current research and incorporate it in my trainings and practice. I could go on but do I need to further explain. If you want to know my donations I can send you a personal e-mail.


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    Jan 19, 2008 6:04 PM GMT
    Thank you for that. You sound as though you should understand someone else with strong convictions who is willing to put his money and energy where his mouth is. I'm sorry you see it as a "one or the other" sort of deal because it certainly isn't.
    Anyways, I am impressed.
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    Jan 19, 2008 6:05 PM GMT
    I am not disagreeing with you mnjock. Simply sighting the statistic to show that if they were a smaller institution the ratio would be the same but less impactfull and shocking.

    You're correct, their rate is about the same as the humane society's. A group who PETA has criticized continuously for their treatment of animals and assembly line of death.

    Which brings me back to the point of the difficulties that arrise from being a moral zeitgeist.
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    Jan 19, 2008 6:08 PM GMT
    Devil Dog,
    Please show me any documented information about PETAs criticism of the Humane societies euthanasia policies or where you got that quote.
    I am not afraid of being wrong and would like to know more about those quotes. This is all I could find, and it is somewhat unrelated.
    2000 - California Humane Society Stops Giving Animals to Blood-Bank Kennels
    Glenn County, California, is home to a hidden industry in which animals are suffering: animal blood-bank kennels. Dogs and cats at these kennels are warehoused for years at a time and are repeatedly "bled" to provide blood to veterinarians across the country. Animals confined indefinitely in this manner live miserable and lonely lives.

    The Association of Veterinarians for Animal Rights states that animal blood donors should be companion animals who are taken to veterinary clinics for the purpose of donating blood. If this is not possible, the time spent as a donor should be finite and short. This was not the case in Glenn County. Yet, for years, the Butte County humane society gave dogs and cats to these kennels, even though conditions for animals at the kennels hardly met the humane society's requirements for a "good home."

    PETA intervened by writing to the humane society, asking that it stop supplying animals to the blood-bank kennels. We called Butte County PETA members, asking them to attend a humane society board meeting. We also put an action alert on our Web site, asking concerned readers to contact the shelter. Local activists worked very hard on the issue as well, publicizing the problem and lobbying the shelter board. As a result of these efforts, the Butte County humane society board voted unanimously to stop supplying animals to these blood-bank prisons.