Can HIV be transmitted through kissing?

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    Feb 12, 2010 6:44 PM GMT
    I've read articles thet said deep throat kissing is a risk factor in transmitting HIV. I have also read that there are no documented cases of HIV infection through kissing, there seems to be mixed messages.
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    Feb 12, 2010 6:51 PM GMT
    Not that I have ever heard. I regularly, and deeply, kissed my late partner who had HIV/AIDS, as well as had safe sex with him as the bottom, plus I gave him BJs while he wore a condom, while he blew me without a condom. I remain negative to this day.

    But the science is constantly evolving, so any new studies anyone here can cite would be useful.
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    Feb 12, 2010 11:16 PM GMT
    There might be one case of HIV transmitted by open mouth kissing. Saliva is not a very hospitable environment for the HIV virus. The CDC does have concern; however, that the virus could enter the blood stream if there were an open sore in the mouth. Because of this possible risk, the CDC recommends against open-mouth kissing with an infected partner. No one has become infected from such ordinary social contact as dry kisses, hugs, and handshakes

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00048364.htm

    http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/qa/qa17.htm
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    Feb 12, 2010 11:20 PM GMT
    ASGCville saidI've read articles thet said deep throat kissing is a risk factor in transmitting HIV. I have also read that there are no documented cases of HIV infection through kissing, there seems to be mixed messages.


    1) WTF is deep throat kissing? even if u got a long tongue, u cant reach deep in the throat...and why the fuck would u want to anywayz?

    2) Deep thorat is onyl for bjs

    3) yes hiv can be transmitted by kissing but the risk of transmission is very very extremely low. the guy would have to have a bleeding gum/sore/blister and u too for the risk to increase.
  • calibro

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    Feb 12, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
    It has occurred. It happened when the partner with the virus had bleeding gums and the virus exchanged through an open sore in the other partner's mouth. I believe this case occurred between a man and a woman.
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    Feb 12, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
    I applaud the effort to get educated, just please excuse my frustration in the lack of education. Not just u, for almost every post I see on here. Kissing really? We'd all be dead.

    HIV is transmitted via the blood stream. Blood to blood (open cuts) or semen to blood.

    Im not going to address the kissing thing. Enough said. What I will say is that oral sex is safe with an HIV person. But remember.. no open mouth wounds. Pre cum.. safe. Semen.. safe. Anal sex.. its the bottom that takes the most risk. Again.. its simple. Bottoms sometimes bleed. If a top is poz, its the bottom at risk if its not wrapped, unless he has a cut. Slim chance right?

    You are correct. There are no known cases of HIV transmitted from kissing, or oral sex for that matter. Needles shared? Of course. Anal unprotected, yes.

    Here is a link. Id suggest you ask your partner if he's undetectable. Frankly In my opinion saying that someone who's "undetecatble" is safe... not sure I trust that yet. But if nothing else, it proves the point that its not a death sentence.

    I showed this article to my doctor. He a younger guy, which I like as i feel he's probably more intune to the real world and medical science today. As my doctor told me.. use your head! Have your teeth cleaned today? Play safe and obstain for a day. Anal sex.. wrap it, and for god sakes have fun!

    http://aidsmap.com/en/news/4E9D555B-18FB-4D56-B912-2C28AFCCD36B.asp

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    Feb 12, 2010 11:41 PM GMT
    Please please please.. unless your facts are backed up, please dont spread this stuff. Its so not true. The viris is NOT carried in saliva. Its medically NOT possible.

    calibro saidIt has occurred. It happened when the partner with the virus had bleeding gums and the virus exchanged through an open sore in the other partner's mouth. I believe this case occurred between a man and a woman.
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    Feb 12, 2010 11:56 PM GMT
    LuvMuscle99 saidPlease please please.. unless your facts are backed up, please dont spread this stuff. Its so not true. The viris is NOT carried in saliva. Its medically NOT possible.

    calibro saidIt has occurred. It happened when the partner with the virus had bleeding gums and the virus exchanged through an open sore in the other partner's mouth. I believe this case occurred between a man and a woman.


    umm...the dude is not saying that saliva carried the virus. hes saying that the virus was transmited cuz the gums were bleeding and the virus entered through the sore in the mouth. that IS possible.

    but the dude is giving an example of passing the virus this way in a man and a woman. i havent heard that so the dude might be full of shit on that there is a case....maybe im wrong and just havent heard it.
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    Feb 12, 2010 11:59 PM GMT
    Maybe if he bit through his tongue and then you bit through yours and then you guys made out furiously while still bleeding.

    ......or you're into things like this.
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    Feb 13, 2010 12:03 AM GMT
    If I understand him, It suggests that it was passed from Saliva to blood.. the open wound. Im saying its a medical impossiblity.

    We have to use our heads. Imagine this. There are over 1M HIV people in the US. Imagine if that were true. Imagine after It is believed that HIV / Aids began in 1984. If it could be transmitted through saliva... that number would be ??? 20M? 30M? I have no idea... but thank god for us... its medically not possible.

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    LuvMuscle99 saidPlease please please.. unless your facts are backed up, please dont spread this stuff. Its so not true. The viris is NOT carried in saliva. Its medically NOT possible.

    calibro saidIt has occurred. It happened when the partner with the virus had bleeding gums and the virus exchanged through an open sore in the other partner's mouth. I believe this case occurred between a man and a woman.


    umm...the dude is not saying that saliva carried the virus. hes saying that the virus was transmited cuz the gums were bleeding and the virus entered through the sore in the mouth. that IS possible.

    but the dude is giving an example of passing the virus this way in a man and a woman. i havent heard that so the dude might be full of shit on that there is a case....maybe im wrong and just havent heard it.
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    Feb 13, 2010 12:08 AM GMT
    LuvMuscle99 saidIf I understand him, It suggests that it was passed from Saliva to blood.. the open wound. Im saying its a medical impossiblity.

    We have to use our heads. Imagine this. There are over 1M HIV people in the US. Imagine if that were true. Imagine after It is believed that HIV / Aids began in 1984. If it could be transmitted through saliva... that number would be ??? 20M? 30M? I have no idea... but thank god for us... its medically not possible.

    joshnyc said
    LuvMuscle99 saidPlease please please.. unless your facts are backed up, please dont spread this stuff. Its so not true. The viris is NOT carried in saliva. Its medically NOT possible.

    calibro saidIt has occurred. It happened when the partner with the virus had bleeding gums and the virus exchanged through an open sore in the other partner's mouth. I believe this case occurred between a man and a woman.


    umm...the dude is not saying that saliva carried the virus. hes saying that the virus was transmited cuz the gums were bleeding and the virus entered through the sore in the mouth. that IS possible.

    but the dude is giving an example of passing the virus this way in a man and a woman. i havent heard that so the dude might be full of shit on that there is a case....maybe im wrong and just havent heard it.



    nah dude.....ur just not reading what he wrote. he wasnt suggesting nothin about saliva to blood.

    he said "partner with the virus had bleeding gums and the virus exchanged through an open sore in the other partner's mouth". that means person A got hiv and bleeding gums and person B had open sore where the virus entered......there's no mentioning of saliva there
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    Feb 13, 2010 12:09 AM GMT
    You would have to literally drink litres of saliva for any chance of transmission.

    However blood to blood is of course entirely more likely, so just be aware of oral sores etc. Even if there were cuts in both partners mouths again the lieklihood is incredibly minute. But as the virus mutates and becomes mroe agressive in some people it would pay to take the upmost care.
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    Feb 13, 2010 12:10 AM GMT
    but the dude is giving an example of passing the virus this way in a man and a woman. i havent heard that so the dude might be full of shit on that there is a case....maybe im wrong and just havent heard it.

    It's true:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/11/us/case-of-hiv-transmission-is-first-to-be-linked-to-kiss.html?pagewanted=1
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    Feb 13, 2010 12:15 AM GMT
    Anto saidbut the dude is giving an example of passing the virus this way in a man and a woman. i havent heard that so the dude might be full of shit on that there is a case....maybe im wrong and just havent heard it.

    It's true:
    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/11/us/case-of-hiv-transmission-is-first-to-be-linked-to-kiss.html?pagewanted=1


    well i said that hiv CAN be spread through kissing before the dude even posted his example. that link confirms what i said about people having sore/bliste/gum bleeeding cuz the ones in the case both had gum disease.

    only thing i said was iify about what the dude said was that i hadnt heard of a case and that i could be wrong on if there was a documented case.



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    Feb 13, 2010 12:27 AM GMT
    Here is a link to the case report that was mentioned in the Times article....An HIV positive male may have transmitted HIV, by kissing, to his female partner....The male had a history of recurrent bleeding gums....The CDC is not 100% certain that she contacted HIV this wayicon_confused.gif

    http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00048364.htm

    I linked to this article in my earlier post...It is true that saliva contains enzymes that breaks down the HIV virus...Tearing the oral mucosa during oral sex is much less likely to occur than tearing the rectal mucosa or vaginal mucosa. These two factors make oral sex much safer.

    There are, however, a few documented cases where it appears that HIV was transmitted orally. These cases are all attributed to ejaculation in the mouth (i.e., exposure to semen, not exposure to vaginal fluid or pre-seminal fluid). At least this is what the San Francisco AIDS Foundation has to say..

    http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/transmission.html#infectious_body_fluid



  • Anto

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    Feb 13, 2010 12:29 AM GMT
    Blood-to-blood is not the only route.

    Also, people with herpes infections are at increased risk not from obvious open lesions but even when the skin has healed which researchers think is due to higher immune cell activity at the sites which persist long after the sores have healed.



    ...
    All four of these findings help explain why people infected with HSV-2 are at greater risk of acquiring HIV than people who are not infected with HSV-2, even after successful acyclovir treatment of genital lesions.

    "HSV-2 infection provides a wide surface area and long duration of time for allowing HIV access to more target cells, providing a greater chance for the initial 'spark' of infection," the authors write. This spark likely ignites once HIV penetrates tiny breaks in genital skin that commonly occur during sex. "Additionally," the authors continue, "the close proximity to DC-SIGN-expressing DCs [dendritic cells] is likely to fuel these embers and provide a mechanism for more efficient localized spread of initial infection."
    ...

    http://www.nih.gov/news/health/aug2009/niaid-02.htm


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    Feb 13, 2010 3:00 AM GMT
    LuvMuscle99 saidPlease please please.. unless your facts are backed up, please dont spread this stuff. Its so not true. The viris is NOT carried in saliva. Its medically NOT possible.

    calibro saidIt has occurred. It happened when the partner with the virus had bleeding gums and the virus exchanged through an open sore in the other partner's mouth. I believe this case occurred between a man and a woman.


    You're logic is erroneous. I never said it had anything to do with saliva, hence my mention of bleeding gums, i.e., it was passed through blood. Please see the link posted above in the article from the New York Times that talks about the incident I referenced. So unless you bother to do your own research, please don't assume my facts are wrong.
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    Feb 17, 2010 2:23 PM GMT
    Wasn't there an article in the news about a mother passing HIV to her child by chewing the food the putting it in the baby's mouth ?

    That would have to be because of bloody saliva ,right?
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    Feb 17, 2010 3:01 PM GMT
    LuvMuscle99 saidPlease please please.. unless your facts are backed up, please dont spread this stuff. Its so not true. The viris is NOT carried in saliva. Its medically NOT possible.

    calibro saidIt has occurred. It happened when the partner with the virus had bleeding gums and the virus exchanged through an open sore in the other partner's mouth. I believe this case occurred between a man and a woman.


    Actually the virus is carried in saliva, however the concentration is so low that the risk of transmission is close to 0 from saliva alone.
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    Feb 17, 2010 3:07 PM GMT
    short answer, no



    http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/transmission.html#requirements
    basicly take note of whats going on in ur mouth, i woke up with a sore throat, therefor no kissing or BJ giving for me today.

    if ur mouth is healthy and clean then ur safe


    and if u do have a sore or cut in ur mouth keep it closed theres other infections that can get into it besides HIV
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    Feb 17, 2010 4:19 PM GMT
    There are several things going on here so let me toss these out for though!

    All things are possible but the probability can be large or infinitesimal and is a number that can be calculate especially in Physics. Example It is possible if you were standing next to wall that your body can jump through the wall and you end up on the other side. The probability of that happening is very infinitesimal but has a number. All other events have to take place for this to happen.

    So to get HIV from some one the one event that has to happen is one person has to have active virus not just antibodies to HIV. If you noticed there are people here and friends of mine that one is positive and one is negative and have been partners for years. If that doesn't get your intellectual juices flowing and questioning I don't know what will.

    Second I never get scientific information off NY times best selling list or WHATEVER! That is not where one gets scientific information studies and data to make a decision on this issue. But you can do what you want.

    Anto: I find you very bright and capable but I do believe you have an over reliance on the CDC and NIH and condensed book knowledge of HIV. Since much of the data came from friends of mine that died and from clients that did tons of studies I don't rely on them so I differ some what from you. I think if you go back and read the original studies do the statistical analysis you may end up with a different view point. BTW that took me 20 yrs.

    Waxon I wouldn't be so definitive with the short answer. What you said is generic to contracting anything but that is only one event that has to take place in a series of events. Many important events have to happen before you catch anything that way even the cold virus.



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    Feb 17, 2010 4:31 PM GMT
    Roccoe saidThere are several things going on here so let me toss these out for though!

    All things are possible but the probability can be large or infinitesimal and is a number that can be calculate especially in Physics. Example It is possible if you were standing next to wall that your body can jump through the wall and you end up on the other side. The probability of that happening is very infinitesimal but has a number. All other events have to take place for this to happen.

    So to get HIV from some one the one event that has to happen is one person has to have active virus not just antibodies to HIV. If you noticed there are people here and friends of mine that one is positive and one is negative and have been partners for years. If that doesn't get your intellectual juices flowing and questioning I don't know what will.

    Second I never get scientific information off NY times best selling list or WHATEVER! That is not where one gets scientific information studies and data to make a decision on this issue. But you can do what you want.

    Anto: I find you very bright and capable but I do believe you have an over reliance on the CDC and NIH and condensed book knowledge of HIV. Since much of the data came from friends of mine that died and from clients that did tons of studies I don't rely on them so I differ some what from you. I think if you go back and read the original studies do the statistical analysis you may end up with a different view point. BTW that took me 20 yrs.

    Waxon I wouldn't be so definitive with the short answer. What you said is generic to contracting anything but that is only one event that has to take place in a series of events. Many important events have to happen before you catch anything that way even the cold virus.





    if it was possible to get HIV through kissing though, wouldnt there be a majorly significant number of people infected then there are now?
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    Feb 18, 2010 1:32 AM GMT
    I just came back from school and took a test on human sexuality and you can get HIV through kissing, however just of it is very deep and prolongued. so in other words you can get infected but it is very rare in that way.
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    Feb 18, 2010 7:12 AM GMT
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    if it was possible to get HIV through kissing though, wouldnt there be a majorly significant number of people infected then there are now?


    if you equate possible with High probability and all events needed to infect a person were there, like all HIV positive people have active virus then you would be correct. You would see high numbers of cases of newly infected people with HIV by kissing. You would see a very large new group of infected heterosexual cases and larger numbers of family members, etc. You may be too young to know but at one time The NIH, CDC and AIDS groups predicted in the mid 80's that every bed in every hospital in every state would contain no one other than AIDS patients by 1990. No room for anyone else.

    We know from CDC surveillance reports that is not the case. As I am not totally current on all of the reports to date the last time I checked that cases of suspected transmission by kissing could not rule out other modes of transmission.

    So it is the use of possible and probable in scientific terms to explain an event that can or can not take place. The infection of another person by a HIV positive person by kissing and maybe kissing deeply.

    If you can find any such cases that are definitively stated and proven in CDC Surveillance Reports of the last 28 years I would be interested in looking at them.
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    Mar 16, 2010 3:53 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidMaybe if he bit through his tongue and then you bit through yours and then you guys made out furiously while still bleeding.

    ......or you're into things like this.
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    dude... that is sick. icon_eek.gif