New Bacteria Strain Is Striking Gay Men

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    Jan 15, 2008 6:29 PM GMT
    Just when you think the water is safe...Please be careful out there...http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/health/15infe.html?ref=health
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    Jan 15, 2008 6:38 PM GMT
    Nearly 19,000 people died in the United States from MRSA infections in 2005 ... icon_eek.gif

    "the bacteria seemed to be spread most easily through anal intercourse but also through casual skin-to-skin contact and touching contaminated surfaces."
  • drakutis

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    Jan 15, 2008 10:19 PM GMT
    Can't even get an enjoyable piece 'o ass with out getting something!!! You either catch something or get a penis whipped crazy!!!!
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    Jan 16, 2008 1:31 AM GMT
    Another damn Curse.....Dam It!!!


    There is a update on it .all they tell you is to keep
    youself clean and cover your exercise equiptment with a towel when you use it after someone. THAT IS ALL.
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    Jan 16, 2008 7:06 AM GMT
    That's it for me. I quit being gay starting now.
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    Jan 16, 2008 8:38 AM GMT
    yea as long as you are safe and clean you will be fine...
    I haven't had any sexual relations in well over 2 months...due to getting my wisdom teeth out towards end of november, and then tonsils out in middle of december, and then had to go back to ER two weeks after that for a complication with an artery in throat that wasnt cauterized well enough during the tonsillectomy. Three days ago I had this itch on my leg so I scratched it, and the next morning it looked like I had eczema with a lil bruising underneath, it wasnt until yesterday it started hurting, I thought again I bruised it somewhere and just forgotten, but tonight it was red, painful, and grew a bit...goin to doctors tomorrow morning, but went online found out more info..and though yes it calls out gay men as leading infectees, does not mean they are the only ones affected. If my results come back that I have MRSA or could just be a staph infection then I am a catch-22 I guess, cuz I am gay, but not through sexual contact. or physical contact for that matter... It can easily be picked up at hospital, and when overuse of antibiotics, and steroid prescriptions of which I have all three...Been in hospital twice for tonsillectomy, antibiotics for strep throat, then wisdom teeth and then for tonsillectomy, and then steroids for strep throat, and then for wisdom teeth....It urks me how society brings out a little piece out a big article and pinpoints gay men. Hope this wasnt too much info on whats happening in my life... But also with doing research, best thing to do is just keep washing hands...Normally Staph lives on the surface of the skin, it just finds a way to get inside is when it causes problems, for safety and precation wash your hands...seriously... and if u do have sexual relations with someone who you are not exclusive with take a shower and wash thoroughly this is found to prevent the staph from infecting ure body..all it takes is a scratch on your skin...in prob in my case an open cut in mouth from tonsillectomy and going to hospital where its easily penetratable with everyone being sick there......
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    Jan 16, 2008 10:08 AM GMT
    we have a major problem in our hospitals wit MRSA, as I understand it from working in most of the hospitals most people carry MRSA anyway and it only causes a problem for a small percentage of the population normally when they have surgery if the wound gets infected with it
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    Jan 16, 2008 4:36 PM GMT
    When are they gonna invented a all body condom?icon_sad.gif
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    Jan 16, 2008 4:39 PM GMT
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    Jan 16, 2008 4:53 PM GMT
    Pretty damn scarey...which is why I wash my hands all the time, keep a bottle of germx, haven't had sex in 2 years, and try to stay away from the gays here. I think I'll be fine...but to those who don't do this...be careful out there, just another thing to take us gay men down.
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    Jan 17, 2008 5:33 AM GMT
    Over the holidays I had a mole removed in my dermatologist's office and it slightly freaked me out that they don't take too many precautions when removing simple moles.

    In fact, as my derm was cutting out the mole I mentioned that I could feel the knife pricking a bit. She had her assistant go and get another nurse to come in and prep another injection. This involved opening the door to the room, having another nurse come in, all while I'm lying there with my derm working on removing the mole.

    All I could think was "MRSA... MRSA...MRSA..." So I just told the derm - No - just get me stitched up as soon as you can, and I just dealt with the discomfort.

    The good thing is that I didn't get an infection, the mole came back "normal" and aside from sweating like crazy from being hyper-nervous, all's well.

    But has anyone else had a bad experience with simple procedures at the dermatologist?

    Sometimes I'm not sure they know what they're doing. Skin therapy seems like a lot of antibiotics and luck more so than real science. And unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately) I can't take a lot of the antibiotics because they give me C-Diff, and that's just nasty.

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    Jan 17, 2008 9:38 PM GMT
    The other night, I heard a fundie nutter on shortwave radio ranting on and on how the gays/MRSA story is just more proof how sick/depraved/dangerous/etc we are.
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    Jan 17, 2008 10:02 PM GMT
    I was hospitalized with MRSA from a leg wound about 4 years ago, and had two relapses that also put me in the hospital.

    Nasty stuff. Really WIPED ME OUT physically.

    The NYT article though is very misleading. Very poor journalism IMO.

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    Jan 17, 2008 10:13 PM GMT
    paradox saidThe other night, I heard a fundie nutter on shortwave radio ranting on and on how the gays/MRSA story is just more proof how sick/depraved/dangerous/etc we are.

    Yep, the Fundies are running rampant with this. Just go Google "MRSA gay men christian" and you'll get about 69,000 hits... everyone from the Christian News Wire to Rapture Ready... that latter one actually claims this is a "last days event" and means the Rapture is upon us. icon_rolleyes.gif

    Here we go again... icon_rolleyes.gif

    It would be nice if newspapers and other news outlets would report the complete findings of such studies, rather than bits and pieces that can be sensationalized. Talk about dis-information and irresponsible journalism...
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    Jan 18, 2008 5:04 PM GMT
    Wow this is scary, so this is not even sexually transmitted you can technically get this from cuddling? I don't understand. Why is this hitting gay men in particular?
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    Jan 18, 2008 5:06 PM GMT
    Hippie, you shouldn't worry about anything that you can only contract through eating meat...........just kidding.....really.

    Cheers,
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    Jan 18, 2008 5:17 PM GMT
    hippie4lyfe saidWow this is scary, so this is not even sexually transmitted you can technically get this from cuddling? I don't understand. Why is this hitting gay men in particular?


    I wish people would read the report. Scroll up to what Noah878 posted please icon_smile.gif

    Nearly everyone has a touch of a MRSA strain colonized somewhere on their body. MRSA in and of itself is not a frightening death sentence. The normal human body can normally keep it in check all on it's own. Those who have compromised immune systems are at significant risk.

    Like all bacterial infections, there is a method by which it can enter your body. Membranes such as anal tissue are extremely weak defenders against viral and bacterial migration. As is skin tissue with a break in it. Healthy skin is a very strong defensive wall.

    My best recommendation is to wash your hands with plain soap and warm water before touching membrane areas, eating, etc. And please don't use Purell sanitizer like it's going out of style. That's how things like MRSA get created.
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    Jan 18, 2008 5:19 PM GMT
    do you think antibacterial soap is better or just regular natural soap with warm water for like 25-30 seconds?
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    Jan 18, 2008 5:26 PM GMT
    lilmaninsc saidPretty damn scarey...which is why I wash my hands all the time, keep a bottle of germx, haven't had sex in 2 years, and try to stay away from the gays here. I think I'll be fine...but to those who don't do this...be careful out there, just another thing to take us gay men down.


    Unless you are immune compromised, please don't icon_smile.gif A few points:

    a) Your body needs to come in contact with foreign bacteria all the time so it adapts to new threats.

    b) When you use germ-x, purell, etc, you kill a huge swath of bacteria on your body. This includes the good bacteria on your skin surface too.

    c) Bacteria are normally very territorial. When you kill off all that bacteria, something else is going to start growing there almost immediately and it'll be one of something floating by in the air, something you brush against, or something you transfer onto it after touching an object.

    d) You don't kill all the bacteria when you use such products, as such some survive and begin evolving to be immune to the product. This is how MRSA strains are created. The reason why soap and warm water is best is because it unbonds particles and physically rinses them away.
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    Jan 18, 2008 5:28 PM GMT
    hippie4lyfe saiddo you think antibacterial soap is better or just regular natural soap with warm water for like 25-30 seconds?


    Nope. Just regular soap and warm water. Google should return a lot of results for why anti-bacterial products actually do more harm than good in the long run.

    Soap and warm water is a physical method of decontaminating versus a medical method which the bacteria (and viruses) can evolve and adapt to.
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    Jan 18, 2008 6:41 PM GMT
    The article cited is misleading on a number of points, but it's no big surprise that microbes spread easily among people who have skin-skin contact with many different people.

    Some of this other discussion isn't quite right. The press makes too big a deal out of antibiotic resistance. Although it wasn't widely recognized in the first few decades of antibiotic use, it's just part of the microbial landscape that has to be managed.

    For the most part, antibiotic resistance doesn't evolve on the spot when you use a drug or a sanitizer. Most of the resistance genes are quite sophisticated and have evolved over billions of years, along with the antibiotics themselves. When you apply the selective pressure, these genes spread rapidly through both vertical and horizontal genetic transfer. However, they also have a high metabolic cost, and are lost rapidly when the selective pressure is removed.

    Microbes can and do adapt to physical as well as chemical stresses. For example, most of the bacteria that live on the human body (both pathogens and normal biota) have specific mechanisms for attaching to the specific tissues on which they live. They are less likely to be removed from your skin by washing than are the vast majority of microbes that you might encounter from soil or water.

    Staphylococcus, for another example is adapted to grow in the very dry and salty environment of the skin. In fact, that's how you isolate them from a specimen. Almost nothing else (from the human body) can grow in agar with skin-concentrations of salt.

    As other posters have said, there is usually no need to use anything beyond soap (or liquid detergent) and water for daily washing up. However, if you have any kind of open wound or abrasion, even a small one, antimicrobial washes are a good idea. This is a direct breach in the body's defenses, and allows ordinarily harmless bacteria to become pathogens. Antimicrobials are also a good idea if your skin has become unusually contaminated. This might arguably include physical contact with persons outside your family group.

    If you use antimicrobial products, a good way to manage resistance is to alternate between two or three different active ingredients. You have to read the labels. Don't use the same thing all the time. This is getting harder because most consumer products are getting more and more alike. For example, although I may be an extreme case (because I do this for a living) I have three spray bottles with different products for wiping down my sterile work benches. I rotate through them and use a different one each day.
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    Jan 18, 2008 7:36 PM GMT
    My recent Ex goes to the hospital almost monthly because of MRSA and it all really developed within the past 2 years. Scary stuff. If you have it the tiniest scrape it can get infected and cause an abscess if you don't clean it immediately.
    From frequent visits to the hospital w/ him (once for a whole week for an emergency surgery!) I've learned that a lot people carry a form of MRSA that doesn't really do anything.
    Then there's the more severe kind that's been getting lots of attention lately.
    Recently here in Boston it made the late night news when a number of athletes from Northeastern University came down w/ the more severe form of it.-pretty sure they weren't all having sex w/ each other...but I guess you never know...
    Also, slightly off topic, my recent ex is also an ex-marine who was deployed to Afghanistan right after 9/11 and then to Iraq in April '03 when the shit hit the fan over there... Point is, he thinks that his MRSA may be a result of something he may have been exposed to during his service.
    Anyone know anything about this/have a similar experience???
    Please message me if you do because I am trying to help him figure it all out.
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    Jan 18, 2008 7:42 PM GMT
    mindgarden saidThe article cited is misleading on a number of points, but it's no big surprise that microbes spread easily among people who have skin-skin contact with many different people.


    Great points and thank you for further elucidating.

    If people were put off by the pics hippie4lyfe posted, they would probably have a heart attack if they could see everything squirming around on their skin. The phrase "billions of cooties" just doesn't come close.
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    Jan 19, 2008 2:19 AM GMT
    This was a big forum topic on "AfterElton.com", in which I participated. The NY Times article is sensationist, but sexually active gay men who have a lot of partners should have some concern. One person on AfterElton suggested using soap with lye in it to kill the bacteria after sex.