sooooo... newscasters need to be less invasive in peoples lives...

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    Feb 14, 2010 12:37 AM GMT
    ok... did anyone see the story about the luger yesterday and that very disturbing video?
    well if so you will know where i am coming from.
    i just think they need to "not be" into sooo many peoples lives like they are i mean... what do you think the parents of that 21 y/o are thinking... its all over on every news station...i think that they should give it a week before they put it on... give the family time to take it in... or maybe they could ask the family if its ok for them to show the whole entire world... i mean seriously people do not think about how they are hurting other peoples lives... have some sincerity... i just am stating that it is wrong and i hope you all see the cruelty of it...
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    Feb 14, 2010 12:38 AM GMT
    I did not see it, know nothing about it. Do you have any links, and ideally some clips of the coverage? Thanks.
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    Feb 14, 2010 12:42 AM GMT
    That would be asking too much. Why wouldn't they show that? They obviously did it to get a lot of viewers, which they got.
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    Feb 14, 2010 12:44 AM GMT
    i just think its gay that people are that "low" that they have to make other people suffer so that they can get a few bucks
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    Feb 14, 2010 1:44 AM GMT
    The "crash and burn" was very prudent to show. It was clear the kid took a nasty beating, and, why he died.

    In our time of real time everything it was exactly what folks wanted to see.

    One of the reasons war became unpopular was the ability of ENG (Electronic News Gathering) to bring it into our homes from the front of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle in real time. It humanizes the experience; making it very real; more than a statistic. The beauty of cameras is that they never lie...(well, not really)...they show cops beating up a black man; they show a tragedy on the race track...they show guards standing by while a young girl gets beaten; they show a young Muslim girl being stoned because of false belief systems and the terrible violence those false belief systems invoke. They call people to action. The ENG reports make folks accountable in a BIG WAY. It's forever changed the accountability of folks.

    Walter Cronkite turned the sentiments on The Vietnam War when he went there and showed the public what was happening.

    Images are very powerful. A newspaper tells a story through the written word of a particular reporter. Video shows it as it happened. It completely changes how the public perceives the news story.

    The recent earthquake victims were very much humanized by ENG. It's hard to turn away. It's part of our human curiosity and our human compassion.

    When we see the images of a "crash and burn" it invokes much more compassion, empathy...humanness, if you will, than just a line in a story. The young man deserved more than just one line. Folks deserved to see how he went.
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    Feb 14, 2010 1:58 AM GMT
    Here's what happens if you're an idiot around electricity.



    It's a graphic demonstration that those signs that say "high voltage" are no joke. This guy learned the hard way.

    No one can argue this video does not make an incredibly strong point about safety (and, not being an idiot). Yeah, the sign works, kinda', but, if you've seen a few folks like this, you'll keep your distance from the hot wire.
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    Feb 14, 2010 2:03 AM GMT
    ouch...poor guy... :l
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    Feb 14, 2010 2:08 AM GMT
    Least it was quick...pretty much. Sometimes, folks live...it may have been his heart just stopped.

    I've known three folks that have lived (Matthew, Andrew, and Vern). Coworker Matthew hit a 7200 tie on his head that arced and stopped his heart. CPR saved him. Uncle Andrew blew 3 480V line fuses, and lived to talk about it. Uncle Vern put a wrecking ball into 7200V and lost two toes, but...lived.

    My mom had a kid that got into 7200...and died a slow, painful, death. His insides had been cooked from the arc.
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    Feb 14, 2010 2:08 AM GMT
    Here in Oregon our local news showed the video up until he crashed and then stopped it. I found that highly respectable. When I saw the whole crash was on the NBC broadcast of the opening ceremonies.
    In this world of immediate news they have to run everything. I am a mass communications student and have learned you have to act fast. I don't like some of what is shown but it is what people seem to want. It is like when there is a car accident people slow down to watch. People are just facinated by accidents.
    Also if it had happened during the actual event and not the training it would have been broadcast live. That would have been worse because there would be no making the choice whether or not to show it.
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    Feb 14, 2010 2:10 AM GMT
    Yep. I spent 11 years in commercial broadcast news, and, you pretty much have to show it these days. It'll end up on Youtube, anyway.
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    Feb 14, 2010 2:11 AM GMT
    skier104 said, "i just think its gay that people are that "low" that they have to make other people suffer so that they can get a few bucks"

    loll I hope you don't mind that we disagree it's gay. It's not. 90% of the population is straight for all intents and purposes. Look at tabloids. Do you think that the gays are the ones buying them and keeping them in business?

    Sensationalism sells, as crappy as that is. We do, however, very much agree with your first post.


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    Feb 14, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
    You're kidding right? The prospect of reporting on human tragedy makes the media wet in their collective panties. Newscasters spend hours perfecting that professional yet somberly compassionate vocal inflection, while their thought bubble reads. "I'm gonna win a motherfucking daytime local Emmy for this shit!".
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    Feb 14, 2010 2:23 AM GMT
    Though I am not one to often say something is "Americanized" vs. not, after living outside of the U.S. for a while I can honestly say I have seen some very disturbing things on the regular news played all over the place, including while waiting for a metro. Places that every one is kind of just watching, including younger aged people. I kind of think a lot of the world is desensitized to seeing such tragedy so openly. Not that they do not feel awful when they see it, but more that they expect to see things that are some what disturbing when it comes to their news.
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    Feb 14, 2010 2:52 AM GMT
    I seen no problem with them showing the accident. Plus what evidence do we have that they did not talk to the young mans family? It cracks me up how people can cast judgment without all the facts. It was a public accident at a world event. I would expect to see it. In addition it now drawls much more attention to the dangers of the sport and as a parent who's children may want to play that sport I am more aware of safety concerns.

    On a side note; I took more offense to your use of gay then the showing of the accident. That probably makes me an ass but oh well.

    skier104 said, "i just think its gay that people are that "low" that they have to make other people suffer so that they can get a few bucks"
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    Feb 14, 2010 4:30 AM GMT
    It doesn't make you an "ass." The other guy is an idiot. Clearly, all the journalists aren't queers.

    Technology, in and of itself, really isn't bad, nor good. It's important to have a factual record, and, like it, or not, images, be they of war, or suffering, or a horrible crash and burn, are much more compelling. If they weren't we'd all be listening to the radio right now.

    Seeing the event can often gives a level of "closure" to it.
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    Feb 14, 2010 4:52 AM GMT
    I think I have would have more of a problem of someone deciding what news is too disturbing for my sensitivities. 1.5 billion people will watch these Olympics at some time over the next couple weeks and probably the biggest event in the world this year, so this accident was clearly a newsworthy event. This is real life, not a movie assigned a parental rating.
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    Feb 14, 2010 5:07 AM GMT
    Can you imagine if the "church lady" got to decide what was fit for air?

    Here's the thing: if folks tune out, it won't get aired. Truth be known, folks don't tune out; they suck it up. That's why reality shows are so popular. Folks don't watch MMA to see good athletes. They tune in to see someone get the shit kicked out of them.
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    Feb 14, 2010 5:44 AM GMT
    or... they could actually do their job and uncover REAL news and keep the government in check.

    But they haven't and they failed, and they are nothing but corporate PR showpieces for a crumbling system; peddling apathy and ignor-tainment.
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    Feb 14, 2010 6:39 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidHere's what happens if you're an idiot around electricity.



    It's a graphic demonstration that those signs that say "high voltage" are no joke. This guy learned the hard way.

    No one can argue this video does not make an incredibly strong point about safety (and, not being an idiot). Yeah, the sign works, kinda', but, if you've seen a few folks like this, you'll keep your distance from the hot wire.



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    Feb 14, 2010 7:06 AM GMT
    It's called "death porn" in some circles. Televised news is entertainment, pure and simple, and clips of people dying should not enter that realm. Some say the networks show it for ratings or because it's what the public wants to see.

    People who seek it out should stop and consider why they are doing so. It extends from freak accidents to planned executions... if people are going to die anyway, then why not have a reality show of inmates being given lethal injections or on the electric chair? How about Roman gladiators fighting to the death, except instead of to a stadium full of bloodthirsty spectators, to a world full of people alone on their computers who don't realize they are developing a death fetish? I think it's totally sick when the public wants this kind of thing.

    The debate is a good sign that people are concerned about where this eerie luge clip could lead. I'm glad there are still people who think it was bad taste.
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    Feb 14, 2010 10:11 AM GMT
    MeOhMy saidor... they could actually do their job and uncover REAL news and keep the government in check.

    But they haven't and they failed, and they are nothing but corporate PR showpieces for a crumbling system; peddling apathy and ignor-tainment.


    You're failing to look at the broader picture. Folks like Michael Moore, 20/20, 60 minutes, Real Sports....all expose government, and establishment, and falsehoods, for what they are, but, the public fails to do research.

    For 11 years accountants screamed about Bernie Madoff, but, no one took action. Enron was turning off power plants during peak load in California, in the name of deregulation and maximum return to the shareholders. There's tons of responsible journalists, hard at work every day.

    Lots of journalism exposes ear marks, and wasteful spending, but, in unregulated capitalism, action often goes to the highest bidder. Capitalism without regulation is like putting the fox in the hen house. Not at all a very good idea. Don't you think folks at AIG knew they were selling bad paper? Of course they did.

    E.g., the health care bill now sitting in Congress is the best health care bill that scare tactics, Big Pharm, Big Insurance, and Big Med could buy. When the lowest contributions are nearly 1 million dollars....there's no way the right things are going to happen. It's not about doing what's right, even when journalists point it out every day. Capitalism in this country is sick. We treat our pets better than our human sick and injured.

    Who do you think exposed the judge that was sending innocent kids to a juvenile facility while he was on the payroll of the private firm running that over crowded facility? Journalists. (The judge is now in jail.) Who exposed Nixon for the crook he was? Journalists.
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    Feb 14, 2010 11:11 AM GMT
    skiier104 saidi just think its gay that people are that "low" that they have to make other people suffer so that they can get a few bucks


    What is that supposed to mean? Sounds like some immature internalized homophobia.
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    Feb 14, 2010 11:35 AM GMT
    skiier104 saidi just think its gay that people are that "low" that they have to make other people suffer so that they can get a few bucks



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    Feb 14, 2010 11:41 AM GMT
    TheGuyNextDoor saidWARNING

    now, now. he died doing what he loved. there's no greater feat than that. we'd all be so fortunate to be able to say the same. as for his catapulted corpse; that was tragic.
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    Feb 14, 2010 7:19 PM GMT
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    skiier104 saidi just think its gay that people are that "low" that they have to make other people suffer so that they can get a few bucks


    What is that supposed to mean? Sounds like some immature internalized homophobia.


    I HAVE TO AGREE...calling something "GAY" as a way to say it is "bad" or "undesirable" is a form of self -loathing and internalized homophobia.....
    Your choice of words concerning the death of this Olympic Athlete was very poor and reveals more about your lack of personal acceptance than the distaste you have for the almost mercenary, exploitive business of news coverage...which I readily acknowledge is just cut-throat and without feeling.
    My sincere condolences to the family, friends and team mates of this young athlete...icon_sad.gif