Are we alone?

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    Feb 14, 2010 4:39 PM GMT
    Are we the only form of (questionable) "intelligent life" in the universe? Are we actually the supreme achievement (creation) of the "supreme being"...god, "master watch maker", whatever your views......????

    I certainly hope we are not the "crowning achievement" of some creative universal being/force...I would question their "omnipotence" if we are their "top achievement"..... and if we are not the top life form in the universe.....why have we not recognized the attempted communications of the other universal lifeforms? Truly an enigmatic riddle....I don't believe we are alone...I HOPE we aren't alone......icon_cool.gif
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 14, 2010 4:42 PM GMT
    It would be ridiculous to assume we are "alone" in any way. When you take into account the possibilities in the Milky Way galaxy alone.... and there are millions of galaxies out there. We already are identifying planets around other stars.... many of which would not be hospitable to like as we know it (but what about those in which we might not know?).

    There are many, many forms of life out there. Someday we will know.
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    Feb 14, 2010 4:46 PM GMT
    Hey Sporty, I'm always reminded of that red headed gal in The Fifth Element and how she reacted after seeing all the footage broadcast about wars, atrocities etc.

    The I imagine people of Earth going to another planet to observe and seeing appalling stuff on their broadcasts.

    Perhaps intelligent life out there hesitates because we seem to be so war-like?
    All our entertainment shows that revolve around captured aliens and portrayals of aliens are for the most part pretty negative. I wonder if they watch those and shudder? They'd also have seen how races here treat each other.


    -just Doug

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    Feb 14, 2010 4:57 PM GMT
    Obviously we have been literally broadcasting our presence for about 75 years...radio and TV....so 75 light years out from the earth they are getting the signals we first sent back then....with all of our wars, racism, historical events....quite the information to have and form an opinion of us from...are they laughing, shocked and disgusted, or recognizing their own past foibles in our broadcasts?....icon_redface.gif
  • GQjock

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    Feb 14, 2010 5:20 PM GMT
    In the vast numbers of stars and planets there has to be some sort of life out there ..... It doesn't make mathematical sense for there NOT to be

    Here is an equation that attempts to quantify it

    The way we can calculate the possibility of life is by the Drake Equation, created by Frank Drake in the early 1960s. It states:

    N= [r* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc] L where:

    N= number of possible civilizations to communicate with

    R* = is the rate at which stars capable of sustaining like are formed

    fp = the fraction of these stars which have planets

    ne = the number of planets similar to Earth in the planetary system

    fl = the fraction of the Earth-like planets that hold life

    fi = the fraction of life that becomes an intelligent civilization

    fc = the fraction intelligent civilizations that attempt to communicate

    L= the number of years the civilization remains able to communicate.
  • dannyboy1101

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    Feb 14, 2010 9:22 PM GMT
    Only people with the American arrogance that helped GW Bush win the white house twice would think that we are alone. To think we're the only planet that could evolve life is to say that we know everything about the universe (even the parts we can't see). Even if you go off the God made us special platform, do you really think that we're the only entertaining toys in the toy box?
  • Anto

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    Feb 14, 2010 10:11 PM GMT
    meninlove said Hey Sporty, I'm always reminded of that red headed gal in The Fifth Element and how she reacted after seeing all the footage broadcast about wars, atrocities etc.

    The I imagine people of Earth going to another planet to observe and seeing appalling stuff on their broadcasts.

    Perhaps intelligent life out there hesitates because we seem to be so war-like?
    All our entertainment shows that revolve around captured aliens and portrayals of aliens are for the most part pretty negative. I wonder if they watch those and shudder? They'd also have seen how races here treat each other.


    -just Doug




    A species of equal intelligence or higher would already know about such things though. The problem with how movies portray this idea through 'others' observing us is that it's not realistic and really just a story tool for looking at ourselves from or own awareness and judgment of ourselves about ourselves.
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    Feb 14, 2010 10:15 PM GMT
    In a fare away Galaxy, before gay was so in your face.............
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    Feb 14, 2010 10:23 PM GMT
    alone?? we got each other icon_biggrin.gif

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    Feb 14, 2010 10:31 PM GMT
    How bored is the OP? We need to find him some activities (hint) and firends. Sometimes these questions are just so ridiculous. As if people are trying to ask the silliest and or dumbest or or most non questions out there. Dude, go and get laid!
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    Feb 14, 2010 10:34 PM GMT
    I fear contact with intelligent life outside Earth. It is our parochial assumption that such beings will be benign, based on philosophical and hopeful reasons of our own making, not theirs, whoever they may be. If they manage to come here, what they do with us will be their decision, according to their wishes, not ours.

    We have other forms of intelligent life right here on Earth: the animals we eat. Who's to say some creatures from another world won't be so advanced as to see us as nothing more than primitive life forms, suitable only for lunch ourselves?

    Such was the premise of a Twilight Zone TV episode when I was a teenager, "To Serve Man" from 1962, in which humans were tricked into becoming food for aliens. Like cattle, people were unwittingly herded onto spacecraft, to be whisked away for processing as food.

    No rule says greater technical achievements must bring greater concern & respect for other forms of life. We could all end up as burgers, rather than benefiting from an advanced civilization. icon_razz.gif
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    Feb 14, 2010 11:06 PM GMT
    Sporty_g saidObviously we have been literally broadcasting our presence for about 75 years...radio and TV....so 75 light years out from the earth they are getting the signals we first sent back then....with all of our wars, racism, historical events....quite the information to have and form an opinion of us from...are they laughing, shocked and disgusted, or recognizing their own past foibles in our broadcasts?....icon_redface.gif


    They might not even actually have eyes. Or experience time in the same way as us.

    Think of the infinite different ways that life and sentience can develop. They could be anything from microscopic von neumann-ish swarm minds that live and die in a span of a second to massive mineral neural networks that would take centuries to form a single thought. We might not even recognize them as living at all. Astronauts would be mining a moon, not realizing that the dust itself was living or those weird crystals are plant analogs.

    It always comes down to the problem of communication and thus perception. How would you explain color to a blind man? How can you anticipate what alien life would look like when all you know of life is the one on Earth?

    The advent of astronomy certainly did one thing though: it made us realize we aren't special. There are so many fucking stars, each one a sun, each one with its host of satellites, each one with a potential to develop some sort of self-replicating chemical that in turn might give birth to beings that are aware of themselves.

    The Bible (or any other human religion) certainly didn't account for that, did it?

    Then there is also the problem of the light barrier... and the fact that we humanoids have only been sentient for about a couple of hundred thousand years or so, and we only became civilized for about 10,000 years. And we've only just become a spacefaring species in the last half century.

    When compared to how old the universe is, we're less than infants. More so when you consider the scale everything. Where the distances are measured by how far light can travel in a year, when to us light itself seem damn well instantaneous. You begin to realize just how tiny we are, how easy it is to get lost amidst everything. Would you notice a single grain of sand in a beach if it started to glow in rainbow colors?
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    Feb 14, 2010 11:15 PM GMT

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    The Tao is like a well:
    used but never used up.
    It is like the eternal void:
    filled with infinite possibilities.

    It is hidden but always present.
    I don't know who gave birth to it.
    It is older than God.



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    Feb 14, 2010 11:19 PM GMT
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    Feb 14, 2010 11:23 PM GMT
    to be alone would be terrible, the only somewhat intelligent life within the universe would be a terrible waste of potential...

    we aren't alone, sure, we may not be safe from invasion from other species, but really, what do they have to take from us? we have no useful technology for space faring beings, we have some resources on our planet which we are quickly consuming our selfs and could probably be more easily found else where, we do have the potential for enslavement, but our history has shown we aren't very compliant in that respect.

    Really the only thing of use here is our planet and it's available resources, it's not a massive reason to come kill us when minerals are probably more available elsewhere where you don't have to deal with a pesky population problem of resistant capable people.

    hopefully we will meet another race sooner rather then later, I think the potential for cultural exchange and individual and civilization growth is massive.. alas it would probably be mostly one sided.
  • Buddha

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    Feb 14, 2010 11:27 PM GMT
    It makes sense that there should be some other form of life out there. It's a bit less likely that it'd be as developed as our own civilization, but I'm thinking: if mankind made it, surely there should be some other species to do the same.

    And even if there wouldn't be any intelligent life formes, it'd still be remarkably interesting to see a brand new ecology with brand new species interacting with each other. Maybe they'd have a whole new life support system, that's be interesting to see.
  • EricLA

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    Feb 14, 2010 11:38 PM GMT
    buddha_the_god saidIt makes sense that there should be some other form of life out there. It's a bit less likely that it'd be as developed as our own civilization, but I'm thinking: if mankind made it, surely there should be some other species to do the same.

    And even if there wouldn't be any intelligent life formes, it'd still be remarkably interesting to see a brand new ecology with brand new species interacting with each other. Maybe they'd have a whole new life support system, that's be interesting to see.


    It's less likely that some other form of [intelligent] life would be as developed as our own, you say? Really? When you think about it, our sun is "relatively" young when compared to the stars that Hubble is discovering at the limits of its reach. When you think of the age of all those stars and ones in between, it's HIGHLY likely that many civilizations far more developed than our own have come to be. But unless they've made some advancement that allows for faster-than-light travel or communication (assuming that's even possible), AND choose us to communicate with US, then we will likely never know.
  • Anto

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    Feb 15, 2010 1:58 AM GMT
    Think of the infinite different ways that life and sentience can develop. They could be anything from microscopic von neumann-ish swarm minds that live and die in a span of a second to massive mineral neural networks that would take centuries to form a single thought. We might not even recognize them as living at all. Astronauts would be mining a moon, not realizing that the dust itself was living or those weird crystals are plant analogs.


    Life may not be that varied either though. How it happens on Earth could be just how it happens in the rest of the Universe too.
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    Feb 15, 2010 4:18 AM GMT
    with so far 429 exoplanets, we can't really tell yet.

    but being alone would make us the highest form of intelligence in the universe .
    imagine, 15 billion years of expansion to hear "Do you think he's cute ?".
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    Feb 15, 2010 4:20 AM GMT
    i dunno about we, but im pretty alone right now studyin...
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    Feb 15, 2010 4:30 AM GMT
    I'm sure we aren't alone. Even something as simple as bacteria would count as "extra terrestrial life". Who knows, maybe life on Earth originated from some other planet or space. Maybe bacteria came from a comet and formed what we have today. After all, it is thought that the water we have on Earth possibly came from comets.
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    Feb 15, 2010 7:47 AM GMT
    I believe we are uniquely created by God...Then again, by the stupidity that reigns supreme as humans, maybe we have been exiled to Earth and any one who looks at us for too long may turn to stone or worse...be sent here to liveicon_eek.gif
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    Feb 15, 2010 8:16 AM GMT
    sfinthecity saidHow bored is the OP? We need to find him some activities (hint) and firends. Sometimes these questions are just so ridiculous. As if people are trying to ask the silliest and or dumbest or or most non questions out there. Dude, go and get laid!



    Not Bored at all, have PLENTY of friends and activities and Thanks for your concern for my libido...I took care of that myself with my BF! LOL Happy Valentines Day!....
    The post is intended to be something more thought provoking than what Lady GaGa wore or screamed into a bullhorn or the next newest flame war over, nudity, wanking, or the "evils of democrats and republicans", etc..... and just for the record....do you have some sort of answer or a reasoned response? If the topic is such a "silly, dumb or non-question" thread, maybe you can do better, so we can all see what "great things" you think and question.....but...hell, you have had nearly 2 years on RJ and have yet to post a pic or fill in your profile and only have 30 posts...so maybe is just a "trolling expedition" that you are playing....take care, and enjoy yourself....icon_lol.gif...BTW...I believe there is life out there and won't it be exciting when it is either found by us or allows us to know about it?
  • Sparkycat

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    Feb 15, 2010 8:43 AM GMT
    I think "they" are already here.
  • DarkSensation

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    Feb 15, 2010 12:03 PM GMT
    I'm still Waiting for My Hot Powerful Alien Emperor From a far Away Galaxy....where He will make me his Mate/Queen/Bitch/Sexual Slave,lol icon_biggrin.gif

    You Human Guys bore me....I'm looking for something Out of this world....Like an Alien species that Have 12 Dicks, lol icon_lol.gif

    They would Say " We come to Fuck in Peace " Hahahaha icon_biggrin.gif