Dick Cheney -- Gay supporter? You decide....

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Feb 15, 2010 1:00 AM GMT
    It appears our former VP thinks it's time to reconsider DADT. Now see, Dick aint so bad icon_lol.gif

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jJpeGmV3CeVMGTuXP4eAEyV6jcjQ
  • Little_Spoon

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    Feb 15, 2010 1:01 AM GMT
    Wish they'd hurry up with this decision already.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Feb 15, 2010 1:04 AM GMT
    It's happening...slowly but surely...times they are a changing icon_wink.gif
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    Feb 15, 2010 4:29 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt appears our former VP thinks it's time to reconsider DADT. Now see, Dick aint so bad icon_lol.gif

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jJpeGmV3CeVMGTuXP4eAEyV6jcjQ


    ur gay...u should know dick is good...icon_twisted.gif
  • calibro

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    Feb 15, 2010 5:18 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt appears our former VP thinks it's time to reconsider DADT. Now see, Dick aint so bad icon_lol.gif

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jJpeGmV3CeVMGTuXP4eAEyV6jcjQ


    Because being supportive of certain gay issues after he has already left office and after he was originally against them definitely absolves him for all the other awful things he has done as a person... icon_rolleyes.gif
  • jlly_rnchr

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    Feb 15, 2010 5:20 AM GMT
    Well, he went along with some pretty anti-gay policy initiatives with his pal Bush. I suppose it's easier to be outspoken when you're not risking anything. But it's still awesome that he's for the repeal of DADT, not to mention gay marriage.
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    Feb 15, 2010 5:30 AM GMT
    calibro said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt appears our former VP thinks it's time to reconsider DADT. Now see, Dick aint so bad icon_lol.gif

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jJpeGmV3CeVMGTuXP4eAEyV6jcjQ


    Because being supportive of certain gay issues after he has already left office and after he was originally against them definitely absolves him for all the other awful things he has done as a person... icon_rolleyes.gif


    And what are those?
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    Feb 15, 2010 6:40 AM GMT
    I don't think there's anything new here. For starters, he's a "Big Sky Republican", and they're more libertarian than the religious reich Republicans. More to this point, I recall Cheney saying, 20 years ago (and back when he was Secretary of Defense) that the objections to gay people in the military were based on "old chestnuts". I didn't read the article linked by the OP, but I did see him on one of the Sunday talk shows and what he said seemed to be pretty much in line (though sugar-coated some for the religious right by saying that times have changed - with the brass now supporting gays serving openly, unlike 17 years ago... without underscoring that he supported it even prior to DADT).

    Let's not forget that his daughter Mary is an out lesbian and that (per capita) women are more likely to be dishcarged under DADT than men. While women account for 15% of military personnel, more than 1/3rd of those discharged under DADT were women. (Of course, it is perhaps more likely that lesbians account for a higher percentage of women in the military than gay men do men in the military... but I don't want to stereotype... too much.)

    Source for figures above:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33230836/ns/us_news-military
  • Mepark

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    Feb 15, 2010 6:48 AM GMT
    His opinion "can" have a lot of influence on capitol hill (at least to the opposition), so I say yes, he's a friend of the gay community now.
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    Feb 15, 2010 6:48 AM GMT
    Doesn't change the fact that he is a war-mongering piece of scum. If there is a hell, he has a really good seat reserved for him.

    This... does not redeem him for anything.
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    Feb 15, 2010 7:43 AM GMT
    MeOhMy saidDoesn't change the fact that he is a war-mongering piece of scum. If there is a hell, he has a really good seat reserved for him.

    This... does not redeem him for anything.


    No, it doesn't redeem him of anything that has to do with his insanity of leading us into war in Iraq or his recent selective memory on the war on terrorism. But I have to look at the good in this. While I will never support Cheney, he reaches out to an audience that Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, or Barney Frank never could.
  • calibro

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    Feb 15, 2010 7:51 AM GMT
    sportsguy933 said
    calibro said
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt appears our former VP thinks it's time to reconsider DADT. Now see, Dick aint so bad icon_lol.gif

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jJpeGmV3CeVMGTuXP4eAEyV6jcjQ


    Because being supportive of certain gay issues after he has already left office and after he was originally against them definitely absolves him for all the other awful things he has done as a person... icon_rolleyes.gif


    And what are those?


    do civil liberties mean nothing to you?
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    Feb 15, 2010 7:53 AM GMT
    I don't trust the SOBicon_sad.gif
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    Feb 15, 2010 8:03 AM GMT
    heartrobb said
    MeOhMy saidDoesn't change the fact that he is a war-mongering piece of scum. If there is a hell, he has a really good seat reserved for him.

    This... does not redeem him for anything.


    No, it doesn't redeem him of anything that has to do with his insanity of leading us into war in Iraq or his recent selective memory on the war on terrorism. But I have to look at the good in this. While I will never support Cheney, he reaches out to an audience that Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, or Barney Frank never could.


    While there is truth in that, people tend to omit things in the United States of Amnesia (as Gore Vidall referred to it). "Conservatives" or Republicans more generally, by and large were with the majority of the rest of the American people in the waning year[s] of the Bush administration. Cheney had the lowest approval rating for a VP in history, at 12%, Congress was at a record-low 9%; both parties were, seemingly, equally hated and abhorred.

    Obama entered, and the divisions between people and "ideology" were drastically accelerated, as people were turned against each other once again, instead of against those in power. Thus, Cheney suddenly became relevant to Republicans or so-called "conservatives" as his word actually meaning something.

    However, be that as it may, I would rather have Cheney be against all that I am, than have the support of that monster in anything. While he may reach those who support him, those people are lost to me already.

    An endorsement from a gross violator of human rights, war criminal, guilty of crimes against humanity, genocide, and an egregious dismantling of basic rights and liberties; is not an endorsement I would want.
  • NickoftheNort...

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    Feb 15, 2010 2:23 PM GMT
    It's not that former Vice-President Richard Cheney is a "bad guy," it's that he is a very scared and (was a) very powerful man who believes that the goal of "ending" the terrorist threat to the United States justifies just about any and all means.

    As we saw, under his direct influence the US government drew up asinine justifications for expanded extra-judicial powers, such as the right to indefinitely detain persons without charging them and the legalization of torture, justifications we now live with as our newest administration sees value in maintaining those powers regardless of how they transgress some of the fundamental purpose of the US (to establish a non-monarchical country that follows the rule of a classical liberal law).

    That "the gays" don't bother him and that he's for equal gay rights (after leaving office and after having abused us as an electioneering issue) just means he is not one-dimensional and that he was willing to breach his values for this higher goal of "getting the terrorists." Sounds to me that he is a very scared and not particularly principled man.

    Sure, he's useful, but I don't feel any desire to see him returned to power in any form.
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    Feb 15, 2010 2:28 PM GMT
    I still don't like the guy.... or trust him. Sorry.
  • rnch

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    Feb 15, 2010 3:41 PM GMT
    given his past "track record"; i wouldn't believe or trust anything dick (whan an apt name for him!) sez. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 19, 2010 2:17 AM GMT
    Palin-Cheney 2012.
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    Feb 19, 2010 5:23 AM GMT
    makavelli> Palin-Cheney 2012.

    How did the Mayans know this would happen...?!
  • silverfox

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    Feb 19, 2010 5:29 AM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidIt appears our former VP thinks it's time to reconsider DADT. Now see, Dick aint so bad icon_lol.gif

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jJpeGmV3CeVMGTuXP4eAEyV6jcjQ


    Oh no Curious.....he is a bad man. A bad man with a gay daughter.
  • Mohannned

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    Feb 19, 2010 7:08 AM GMT
    don't know him

    but his name is Dick so he must be icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 19, 2010 7:20 AM GMT
    I dunno .. I just think his last name should have been Tater icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 19, 2010 7:23 AM GMT
    truth be known .. breaking his leg was the only way to get him out of the white house .. and he is still trying to get back in.