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    Feb 16, 2010 12:21 AM GMT
    Might be a long shot but here goes....

    I have a Mac. Powerbook. Almost 4 years old now. OS X 10.4. I recently bought a 2008 vintage game cheap on ebay only to discover my operating system isn't new enough. This put a damper on my anticipated Star Craft 2 purchase. When that game finally comes out damn blizzard entertainment.

    Options are:
    1) Upgrade to newest OS - $200 online
    2) New Macbook - $1100
    3) Try a Window laptop - price ?

    I really only use the internet, download music, watch DVD's, any play a handful of games. I don't play online games anymore or ones requiring the best gaming system. Basic Macbook looks good but is it over priced for what I need?

    I wouldn't mind keeping my current Mac but I don't know how long it will last... all programs crash rarely for unknown reasons, one of the USB slots doesn't work, otherwise it runs fine, never had any virus issues. Upgrading it is the simple solution except I'm worried before I know it the thing will crap out.

    Advice?
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    Feb 16, 2010 12:41 AM GMT
    Have you gone to the mac store to see why it crashes yet? All you need to do is make an appointment online to see someone at the genius bar.
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    Feb 16, 2010 12:55 AM GMT
    Had that looked at when they replaced a key that popped out. They couldn't reproduce the problem while I was there. I was told it might be an issue with individual programs. If thats the case then I find it odd Firefox and 2 games have the same issue.

  • DrewT

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    Feb 16, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
    Unfortunately you can't run the latest Mac OS version on your Powerbook. 10.6.2 only runs on Intel machines. If you need just 10.5 (Leopard) then if you can find the system disks for that, you should be alright.

    At this point, it's up to you what you're willing to spend to play your video game. If you have the money, you should try out the low end MacBook Pro which starts at $1199 (try looking for refurbished for a lower price point).

    If you do choose to get a new Mac and can wait a few months, I'd suggest waiting until late June/ early July for the WWDC. There will typically be a few announcements for new hardware on the MacBook Pro line.

    A new windows laptop may end up costing about the same as a new Mac with the specifications you want to run new games. The lower the price, the less likely it will be to run any new games. That holds true for the Mac as well, but generally the MBP can handle recent games.

    Take a look at http://www.apple.com and look through the models and check on the system upgrade. The best part about having an Intel Mac, is that you can (if you so wish) run Windows (7 is now supported I believe) on your Mac.

    Hopefully this helps address your question!
  • skininethousa...

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    Feb 16, 2010 1:31 AM GMT
    Get a Windows 7 Machine. It is affordable, and Windows 7 runs exceptionally well.
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:35 AM GMT
    to put it simply stick with the mac they aren't overpriced and it's just a more enjoyable platform!

    as was said above you can't upgrade to snow leopard but you can go to leopard which you should be able to find on ebay (or check out mac forums)

    if you can afford to upgrade then you should seriously consider going for at least the cheapest macbook pro, however they still have integrated graphics.. but it should be acceptable to play most games.

    After purchasing any mac though, upgrade the ram, it's user replaceable and wont void your warranty, I wouldn't recommend you let apple do it because it's expensive as hell just buy good ram online.

    And dear god don't go near a windows machine!!!
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:37 AM GMT
    outta curiosity you ever done a clean install of OS X?
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:37 AM GMT
    Don't buy a mac just to be "different". Waste of money, too expensive, incompatible with the MAJORITY of the world. It really is a stupid purchase.

    (WAITING FOR THE "Oh, but macs don't get viruses losers to chime in)
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:39 AM GMT
    wrestlervic said(WAITING FOR THE "Oh, but macs don't get viruses losers to chime in)

    Your the idiot here sweety, macs get viruses.... they get them when the user stupidly installs them and grants them permission to run!
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:41 AM GMT
    At 4 years old chances are it's not just your OS. It's probably everything - RAM, Videocard, etc. Get a new computer definitely or upgrade the hardware, not just your OS.

    Can't recommend any though, I've always been a windows user. A necessity for the compatibility and ease-of-use of my work apps (though to be fair, macs are more ideal for 2d graphic artists, but not for 3d artists like me).
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:44 AM GMT
    lilTanker said
    wrestlervic said(WAITING FOR THE "Oh, but macs don't get viruses losers to chime in)

    Your the idiot here sweety, macs get viruses.... they get them when the user stupidly installs them and grants them permission to run!


    Which is the same for PC's...
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:44 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidDon't buy a mac just to be "different". Waste of money, too expensive, incompatible with the MAJORITY of the world. It really is a stupid purchase.

    What exactly are macs incompatible with? Macs and OS x are the fastest growing platform around, in the higher end field they are the fastest growing.
    For the same quality as a mac in a dell or Asus, HP, what have you, youre looking to pay almost the same price, sure you can get dirt cheap windows PC's that cost 600 dollars, but I've worked on them, I know why they cost 600 dollars and I know why most of them don't last 2 years in good nick let along make it to three years working (and the ones that do are rare)

    Plus, there is more to a computer then just the simple cost, which most people neglect to mention, the user experience of OS X is far far better now days then windows is, I can purchase anything at the store and 98% of the time you plug it in and it just works, things that don't either come with a driver or you download it online, things are simple AND the mac community is a lot nicer then the windows equivalent, plus now that Mac and OS X are taking off and really gaining popularity the old argument that OS X couldn't do something is now mute, macs can do everything windows can and in many cases does it better!
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:45 AM GMT
    PCs RULE!
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:50 AM GMT
    lchg5265 said
    lilTanker said
    wrestlervic said(WAITING FOR THE "Oh, but macs don't get viruses losers to chime in)

    Your the idiot here sweety, macs get viruses.... they get them when the user stupidly installs them and grants them permission to run!


    Which is the same for PC's...

    I know, but, there is a slight difference between the two, OS X has been rebuilt from the ground up on top of the Unix core and it's been built with security in mind, so, to get a virus running on a mac takes a lot more work and while yes there are security holes in OS X (or I'm sure there are) they are usually a lot more difficult to exploit because of other security protocols in place attempting to prevent something running when and how it shouldn't.

    Unlike windows in the days of 3.1, it didn't have security in mind, 95 was no better but viruses where practically unheard of, there was no internet, programs where sent around on floppy disks and then one day CD's, it really wasn't until the advent of the internet that security really had to become a concern for microsoft and by that time much of the windows coding was already massive, so all the security issues windows has is because they can't catch everything because windows originally wasn't meant to be "ultra secure"

    But Microsoft are attempting to correct that and every upgrade brings new security measures that help protect the operating system more and more, but they are still playing the "catch up" game and will be for some time.
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:51 AM GMT
    My $500 PC has lasted for almost 6 years now, I've edited two award-winning films on it, made about $100,000 in web sales, and it's still doing well. This faux belief that Macs are better is bullshit. Seriously. I once worked at the Pentagon and some department tech head decided he wanted everyone there to have macs. The people were livid when they found out that they had to convert Word documents and more back and forth with the rest of the departments. Ironically, I was there to teach them Macs. I started with macs. But macs are WAY overpriced for their claims.
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:52 AM GMT
    Do realize that computers are not designed to "last forever", especially the notebooks. Three years is doing good, and that's why the majority of notebooks only have up to 3 years of extended warranty. By 5 years, a notebook will be so outmoded (being much less user-upgradeable than desktops) that one should replace it (the screen would be nearing the end of its useful life and is expensive to replace).

    I'm in a similar situation as you, with an old 17" Powerbook G4 that is coming to 5 years old. It still serves me great, but I can no longer install a lot of new programs that either want Snow Leopard or an Intel chip. Am waiting for the new MacBook Pro refresh. So why is Apple taking so long?
  • Webster666

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    Feb 16, 2010 1:52 AM GMT
    Options are:
    1) Upgrade to newest OS - $200 online
    ***If you can't easily afford the new Macbook, this is a fairly inexpensive gamble.

    2) New Macbook - $1100
    *** If you can easily afford it, this is the way to go.

    3) Try a Window laptop - price ?
    *** Once you go Mac, you are spoiled for life, you can never go back to the cheap, primitive, virus ridden, PC.
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:53 AM GMT
    ATC84 saidMight be a long shot but here goes....

    I have a Mac. Powerbook. Almost 4 years old now. OS X 10.4. I recently bought a 2008 vintage game cheap on ebay only to discover my operating system isn't new enough. This put a damper on my anticipated Star Craft 2 purchase. When that game finally comes out damn blizzard entertainment.

    Options are:
    1) Upgrade to newest OS - $200 online
    2) New Macbook - $1100
    3) Try a Window laptop - price ?

    I really only use the internet, download music, watch DVD's, any play a handful of games. I don't play online games anymore or ones requiring the best gaming system. Basic Macbook looks good but is it over priced for what I need?

    I wouldn't mind keeping my current Mac but I don't know how long it will last... all programs crash rarely for unknown reasons, one of the USB slots doesn't work, otherwise it runs fine, never had any virus issues. Upgrading it is the simple solution except I'm worried before I know it the thing will crap out.

    Advice?


    1. make sure you've repaired permissions
    2. find out what the newest of version OS X you can run is, go on ebay and buy a FULL INSTALL version of that OS
    3. work your current system until it dies
    4. if you want a new macbook, wait a few weeks until the core 2 chips are upgraded to the i5 chips... imminent
    5. you can save a bit of money on a new machine by buying through the education store on apple's website if you're a student or by buying refurbished on apple's website. refurbs are typically indistinguishable from new machines except for the packaging
    6. if you're worried about compatibility, intel macs are the ONLY computers on the planet to run all three major OSes... OS X, Linux and Windoze
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:55 AM GMT
    Oh good lord. Not another Mac/Win debate. icon_rolleyes.gif They're both fine, depending on what you need it for. The difference only really matters on WHO it is for.

    Macs are good for casual users but as a result is kind of exclusive on what kind of software and hardware is available for them. Windows is good for people who need the highest number of cross-compatible software and hardware as possible (most software default to win compatibility) but as a result suffer in terms of quality and support. Linux and opensource OS's are good for advanced programmers but suck for casual users.


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    Feb 16, 2010 1:56 AM GMT
    Sedative saidAt 4 years old chances are it's not just your OS. It's probably everything - RAM, Videocard, etc. Get a new computer definitely or upgrade the hardware, not just your OS.

    Can't recommend any though, I've always been a windows user. A necessity for the compatibility and ease-of-use of my work apps (though to be fair, macs are more ideal for 2d graphic artists, but not for 3d artists like me).


    the bolded text above is just more mac mythism....

    go here for some excellent mac 3d programs:

    http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/imaging_3d/

    you can also either boot into windows with boot camp or emulate windows within OS X to run any windows-specific software you must have.
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:58 AM GMT
    Wrong, PCs do not suffer from quality and support. That is just some bullshit that people pass along all the time. I've had great support. You may be thinking that because when you own a good share of the market, more complaints are going to come out of it.
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    Feb 16, 2010 1:59 AM GMT
    Sedative saidOh good lord. Not another Mac/Win debate. icon_rolleyes.gif They're both fine, depending on what you need it for. The difference only really matters on WHO it is for.

    Macs are good for casual users
    but as a result is kind of exclusive on what kind of software and hardware is available for them. Windows is good for people who need the highest number of cross-compatible software and hardware as possible (most software default to win compatibility) but as a result suffer in terms of quality and support. Linux and opensource OS's are good for advanced programmers but suck for casual users.


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    we won't go there if you'll quit spouting BS
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    Feb 16, 2010 2:03 AM GMT
    yes im fucking this one

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    Feb 16, 2010 2:03 AM GMT
    I vote for option #2!
    13" Macbooks/Macbook Pros are almost identical internally, with teh macbook having a larger HD.
    So the $200 difference is only cosmetic.
    Students also receive a $100 discount.
    So If you know one, get them to go with you.
    $899/$1099
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    Feb 16, 2010 2:03 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidMy $500 PC has lasted for almost 6 years now, I've edited two award-winning films on it, made about $100,000 in web sales, and it's still doing well. This faux belief that Macs are better is bullshit. Seriously. I once worked at the Pentagon and some department tech head decided he wanted everyone there to have macs. The people were livid when they found out that they had to convert Word documents and more back and forth with the rest of the departments. Ironically, I was there to teach them Macs. I started with macs. But macs are WAY overpriced for their claims.

    I made millions using windows operating system, whats your point?

    Your 500 dollar PC is more likely to last because it doesn't have to withstand the constant forces applied to it.

    You can edit a movie on a netbook, a notebook, a desktop or a mac, your point is lost.

    OS X has improved significantly over the last 3 years to the point that the switch over would be much easier and smoother now, however, the thing that gets lost, macs have a learning curve and that people don't want to go through, OSX is not Vista or XP or Win2000 it's OS X (OS 10) it's just like converting to Linux, you need to learn how to work with the operating system and how things are different.

    outofthegreyDo realize that computers are not designed to "last forever", especially the notebooks. Three years is doing good, and that's why the majority of notebooks only have up to 3 years of extended warranty. By 5 years, a notebook will be so outmoded (being much less user-upgradeable than desktops) that one should replace it (the screen would be nearing the end of its useful life and is expensive to replace).

    I'm in a similar situation as you, with an old 17" Powerbook G4 that is coming to 5 years old. It still serves me great, but I can no longer install a lot of new programs that either want Snow Leopard or an Intel chip. Am waiting for the new MacBook Pro refresh. So why is Apple taking so long?

    Computers these days aren't designed to last, they are designed to be upgraded, replaced, thrown away, not repaired or allowed to continue on, however, the apple line of notebooks are built to a higher specification and while yes OS X has been switched to intel and has requried many to upgrade to use the latest operating system, the notebooks are still functional and usually still in good shape, I know people who are still using G4 notebooks and although they certainly don't look new and appear to have been push through a ringer once or twice, they still work, are still maintaining a well built feel and still just as good as when they were brought (although a little worn in to be comfortable)

    I can't say the same about most notebooks made for windows, although having said that there are a few that I know off that are still kicking on, I have one of them heh as do a few friends and they upgrade there operating system to the latest versions and all that good stuff.. You just generally find a higher build quality with macs then with windows based PCs