11 sought in "Munich" style, hit-team assassination of Hamas leader in Dubai

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    Feb 17, 2010 3:02 PM GMT
    International arrest warrants have been issued for 11 suspects accused of a highly sophisticated assassination operation -- much of it caught on security cameras -- in which disguises and fake British passports were used in the killing of a Hamas leader in Dubai last month.

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    Mahmoud al-Mabhough was apparently electrocuted and suffocated in his room at Dubai's luxury Al Bustan Rotana hotel on January 19.

    Footage from security cameras show the hit team arriving separately at the airport, some entering the hotel in tennis gear, others going into a restroom and coming out disguised, ITN reports. They were in the country for only 19 hours.



    The Times of London says Dubai police have issued 11 international warrants, but that as many as 17 people may have been involved.

    The identities of the 11 named suspects have already been discredited, The Times says, since it involved the apparent identity theft of six British citizens living in Israel.

    Two weeks before al-Mabhough's death, the veteran Hamas commander made a video, broadcast on al-Jazeera TV, in which he admitted to the kidnap and murder of two Israeli soldiers.

    Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman told Army Radio today that the use of the identities of foreign-born Israelis by a hit squad did not prove the Mossad spy agency assassinated the Hamas commander, Reuters reports.

    But he did not deny Israeli involvement outright, saying the country has a "policy of ambiguity" on intelligence matters.

    Am I wrong for thinking this is fucking cool and exactly how we should take care of terrorism?
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    Feb 17, 2010 3:19 PM GMT
    This is straight out of John Clancy novel. Very disturbing. Had this occurred in the US we would do the same thing issue international arrest warrants. They assassinated a man on foreign soil. These people are long gone by now.

    They broke so many international laws not to mention the fake British passports. I'm sure Scotland Yards has some probing question for this hit squad.

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    Feb 17, 2010 3:22 PM GMT
    RowBuddy said

    Where's the beef?


    Lol, I know what you mean... It would be best if everyone could just get along, but really...wouldn't this method be better than sending hundreds of thousands of troops to do the same job?
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    Feb 17, 2010 3:26 PM GMT
    Why did they need 11 people?
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    Feb 17, 2010 3:29 PM GMT
    And that's exactly where we were in Afghanistan before Rove and Bush decided on a more high profile war in Iraq to keep the citizenry interested in their political futures! icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 17, 2010 3:31 PM GMT
    Ducky46 saidThis is straight out of John Clancy novel. Very disturbing. Had this occurred in the US we would do the same thing issue international arrest warrants. They assassinated a man on foreign soil. These people are long gone by now.

    They broke so many international laws not to mention the fake British passports. I'm sure Scotland Yards has some probing question for this hit squad.



    At one point in time it was proper practice to line up and fire your arms at each other in a "civilized" manner.

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    But we eventually adopted the native americans' more effective fighting style. Terrorism has introduced a new method of warfare to the world... isn't it natural to move toward a more effective method of defense?
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    Feb 17, 2010 3:34 PM GMT
    These sorts of things go on all the time. They're called "covert actions", "black ops", "dirty work."

    It's the stuff that comes under "national security" with a "need to know / top secret" label on it. It just depends which country is doing it.

    It's not at all new. It's been going on for ages. Folks get taken out. Governments do it quietly. Gangs do it quietly. Organized crime does it quietly.

    This really isn't new news, or really even news. It goes on all the time, and has, for a very long time.

    In the case of Dubai, there's lots of "discrete" stuff going on there all the time. Dubai doesn't want its patrons nervous and wants them to feel that Dubai is taking action, so, the public is hearing about this.
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    Feb 17, 2010 3:44 PM GMT
    abm1985 saidAm I wrong for thinking this is fucking cool and exactly how we should take care of terrorism?


    What if you are the one accused? And what if you're innocent?

    Kangaroo courts, assassinations, etc in fact destroy the very freedom they purport to protect. The only way to deal with "terrorists" is to give them international trials.
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    Feb 17, 2010 3:47 PM GMT
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    abm1985 saidAm I wrong for thinking this is fucking cool and exactly how we should take care of terrorism?


    What if you are the one accused? And what if you're innocent?


    Then I'll be one innocent killed rather than the thousands that are in a needless war.
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    Feb 17, 2010 4:02 PM GMT
    Abm1985:

    Are you kidding with Native American comment? Clearly your version of history is a bit skewed. It was natives who adopted the settlers’ terrorist tactics. As I remember the story told Nation upon Nation of Native Americans tribes were being slaughtered completely wiped out all in the name of land and "Manifest Destiny". The Natives only became hostile when the settlers' engaged inb land stealing and over hunting of the buffalo.

    There was even a movie about it called "Dances with Wolves".

    Revisionist hisory ain't that just grand!
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    Feb 17, 2010 4:20 PM GMT
    Ducky46 saidAbm1985:

    Are you kidding with Native American comment? Clearly your version of history is a bit skewed. It was natives who adopted the settlers’ terrorist tactics. As I remember the story told Nation upon Nation of Native Americans tribes were being slaughtered completely wiped out all in the name of land and "Manifest Destiny". The Natives only became hostile when the settlers' engaged inb land stealing and over hunting of the buffalo.

    There was even a movie about it called "Dances with Wolves".

    Revisionist hisory ain't that just grand!


    Lol, I wasn't saying native americans were terrorists... I was simply saying that defensive methods are always evolving and citing Native Americans as evidence of that evolution. I was also speaking mainly in the context of the Revolutionary War... It was my understanding that the natives saw soldiers lining up to shoot each other and recognized it's inefficiency and adapted by implementing hunting tactics to warfare. In a similar fashion, terrorists have adapted to modern security measures with terrorism. Isn't covert ops the logical next evolution of warfare?
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    Feb 17, 2010 4:41 PM GMT
    The Mossad tends to open up a little eye-for-an-eye whoop-ass from time to time. The guy in question did not need a trial as he had confessed to and bragged about the kidnapping and murders. I wish the Mossad would be a little bit more gung ho on the coordinated extermination of the admitted leaders of terrorist organizations. Now some stupid bleeding cunt muscles will menstruate out loud. "You can't do that, it's MURDER!" Bull-fucking-shit. How is there more justice in sustaining prolonged military campaigns with thousands upon thousand of deaths that in continually removing the enemies' leadership and keeping them disorganized? We could learn a thing or two from these guys.
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    Feb 17, 2010 4:50 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidThe Mossad tends to open up a little eye-for-an-eye whoop-ass from time to time. The guy in question did not need a trial as he had confessed to and bragged about the kidnapping and murders. I wish the Mossad would be a little bit more gung ho on the coordinated extermination of the admitted leaders of terrorist organizations. Now some stupid bleeding cunt muscles will menstruate out loud. "You can't do that, it's MURDER!" Bull-fucking-shit. How is there more justice in sustaining prolonged military campaigns with thousands upon thousand of deaths that in continually removing the enemies' leadership and keeping them disorganized? We could learn a thing or two from these guys.


    Which is exactly was I was saying...it's a more efficient method of warfare. I imagine arms manufacturers wouldn't be too thrilled with it though. Who's going to buy all those guns when 11-17 people can do what 200,000 haven't?
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    Feb 17, 2010 4:55 PM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite saidThe Mossad tends to open up a little eye-for-an-eye whoop-ass from time to time. The guy in question did not need a trial as he had confessed to and bragged about the kidnapping and murders. I wish the Mossad would be a little bit more gung ho on the coordinated extermination of the admitted leaders of terrorist organizations. Now some stupid bleeding cunt muscles will menstruate out loud. "You can't do that, it's MURDER!" Bull-fucking-shit. How is there more justice in sustaining prolonged military campaigns with thousands upon thousand of deaths that in continually removing the enemies' leadership and keeping them disorganized? We could learn a thing or two from these guys.


    Amen. Leadership in Hamas is a de facto admission that you do not value human life. You recruit desperate young boys to blow themselves up in discos, viciously murder the people you claim to want to liberate if they hold slightly different views than you do . . . . Ritual, Bourbon-style torture would seem to be a fitting punishment.
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    Feb 17, 2010 4:56 PM GMT
    By now I must have watched "Munich" 10 times. Personally, I think it is Spielberg's best movie.

    What I enjoy is that the story is so ambiguous while being unambiguously tragic (in the Greek sense of that word). How can anyone fail to sympathize with the plight of the men charged to carry out this vendetta?

    Yes, on hearing about this assassination in Dubai, "Munich" was the first thing that crossed my mind.

    My guess is that most Americans believe that this is exactly what the CIA does. What Americans seem to resent is failure, not assassination, no matter what our national laws say.

    Dick Cheney wasn't the poster child for making torture OK, he was the poster child for incompetence, sloppy intelligence, and dark ops carried out in broad daylight, on CNN.

    Oh yeah, the Pakistanis detained the Taliban military commander nearly a decade into the war.

    It still intrigues me that with more than a trillion dollars invested in this war effort we don't know where Usama bin Laden is. What are we doing with all of those UAV's, giga-pixel satellites, etc.?

    Back to this. Was the op a success? This team travelled on fake passports in perfect coordination (in 2010) and yet they didn't seem to notice the simplest surveillance cameras?

    It looks to me like they just didn't care, didn't take any of it very seriously. If anyone of them is ever caught I will eat my hat.

    To answer the question. It all depends on the target. If we are truly at war with terrorists then I do not regard the assassination of military leaders as outside of the law. If I could kill Usama bin Laden I would - in a second. If I could kill anyone who attacked New York on 9/11 I would - in a second.

    On the other hand, I consider some of own leaders war criminals. Those men, in my opinion (Bush-Cheney-Rice-Gonzales), should be tried as such. I am not for covert ops against American citizens no matter what the stakes.

    War is war. After the war, if there ever is such a thing, then the Nuremburg rules ought to apply. Unfortunately, they never will apply because there is no objective measure for victory in this type of war.

    The best scene in "Munich" (to me) is Golda Meier's cabinet meeting. There she grapples with the eternal question of survival versus civilization. That is really the question we all face.
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    Feb 17, 2010 5:00 PM GMT
    UrsaMajor saidBy now I must have watched "Munich" 10 times. Personally, I think it is Spielberg's best movie.

    What I enjoy is that the story is so ambiguous while being unambiguously tragic (in the Greek sense of that word). How can anyone fail to sympathize with the plight of the men charged to carry out this vendetta?

    Yes, on hearing about this assassination in Dubai, "Munich" was the first thing that crossed my mind.

    My guess is that most Americans believe that this is exactly what the CIA does. What Americans seem to resent is failure, not assassination, no matter what our national laws say.

    Dick Cheney wasn't the poster child for making torture OK, he was the poster child for incompetence, sloppy intelligence, and dark ops carried out in broad daylight, on CNN.

    Oh yeah, the Pakistanis detained the Taliban military commander nearly a decade into the war.

    It still intrigues me that with more than a trillion dollars invested in this war effort we don't know where Usama bin Laden is. What are we doing with all of those UAV's, giga-pixel satellites, etc.?

    Back to this. Was the op a success? This team travelled on fake passports in perfect coordination (in 2010) and yet they didn't seem to notice the simplest surveillance cameras?

    It looks to me like they just didn't care, didn't take any of it very seriously. If anyone of them is ever caught I will eat my hat.

    To answer the question. It all depends on the target. If we are truly at war with terrorists then I do not regard the assassination of military leaders as outside of the law. If I could kill Usama bin Laden I would - in a second. If I could kill anyone who attacked New York on 9/11 I would - in a second.

    On the other hand, I consider some of own leaders war criminals. Those men, in my opinion (Bush-Cheney-Rice-Gonzales), should be tried as such. I am not for covert ops against American citizens no matter what the stakes.

    War is war. After the war, if there ever is such a thing, then the Nuremburg rules ought to apply. Unfortunately, they never will apply because there is no objective measure for victory in this type of war.

    The best scene in "Munich" (to me) is Golda Meier's cabinet meeting. There she grapples with the eternal question of survival versus civilization. That is really the question we all face.


    Insightful post. I totally disagree about Munich, though. I thought it was a snooze. I would imagine taking out terrorists for a living doesn't do a lot for the assassin's soul. (But as you said, what's the alternative?) But 2.5 hours of revenge killings was boring as cinema, IMHO.
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    Feb 17, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
    Who's willing to bet?

    MOSSAD.

    EDIT: nvm, GS already mentioned it. icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 17, 2010 5:02 PM GMT
    I saw that on TV last night.... holy shit! It was the real deal!!! icon_eek.gif
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    Feb 17, 2010 5:03 PM GMT
    Awww, poor Hamas guy. Couldn't have happened to a bigger scum. And here's hoping for it to happen more often. Good for Israel.
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    Feb 17, 2010 5:04 PM GMT
    There seems to be a lot to this story that is still missing and a lot of conjecture -- and from what is known a lot of it seems quite sloppy actually.
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    Feb 17, 2010 5:04 PM GMT
    So none of you see this as morally corrupting? None of you see this as illegitimate?

    Then the Terrorists have won. This Matyrdom could not be a more effective recruitment tool for Hamas, and those of us that try to keep our minds and morality clear-sighted find our voices ever quieter.
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    Feb 17, 2010 5:08 PM GMT
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    It still intrigues me that with more than a trillion dollars invested in this war effort we don't know where Usama bin Laden is. What are we doing with all of those UAV's, giga-pixel satellites, etc.?


    makes you wonder what use all that surveillance equipment will find after the war is over, doesn't it? Especially something like this piece of equipment developed by the US military:



    Can you imagine sitting in your living room and seeing this thing outside your window?
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    Feb 17, 2010 5:10 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidSo none of you see this as morally corrupting? None of you see this as illegitimate?

    Then the Terrorists have won. This Matyrdom could not be a more effective recruitment tool for Hamas, and those of us that try to keep our minds and morality clear-sighted find our voices ever quieter.


    Morality is totally subjective. Survival instincts are universal.
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    Feb 17, 2010 5:11 PM GMT
    TigerTim saidSo none of you see this as morally corrupting? None of you see this as illegitimate?

    Then the Terrorists have won.


    No, sir, the terrorists will have won when there is a right wing muslim caliphate over all parts of the Middle East, if not the West, and you are executed for being homosexual. I agree that it is a bit gruesome to take pleasure in the murder of another human being, but as others have noted destroying the terrorist leadership is way more efficient than killing thousands of innocents in a war.

    We are not obliged to commit suicide and allow these murderers to roam free. Incarceration, as we have seen, is not always an option.
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    Feb 17, 2010 5:15 PM GMT
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    TigerTim saidSo none of you see this as morally corrupting? None of you see this as illegitimate?

    Then the Terrorists have won.


    No, sir, the terrorists will have won when there is a muslim caliphate over all parts of the Middle East, if not the West, and you are executed for being homosexual. I agree that it is a bit gruesome to take pleasure in the murder of another human being, but as others have noted destroying the terrorist leadership is way more efficient than killing thousands of innocents in a war.

    We are not obliged to commit suicide and allow these murderers to roam free. Incarceration, as we have seen, is not always an option.


    I am astonished to read such prejudiced nonsense from you.