Gays are VERY religious - they worship a mother goddess!

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    Feb 18, 2010 12:10 AM GMT
    Perhaps I've gotten this idea from a recent thread, "The Multiple of Ten."
    I was most intrigued with the atom, with the center made of neutrons and protons, orbited by one or more electrons. We know that this is the building block of literally every substance in the Universe. When one considers that by scale there is a huge empty space between the nucleus and the orbiting electrons, like an insect placed in the middle of a football field, the electron would be as another insect on the edge of the field. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that matter is mainly empty space. But here is the crunch. If ALL matter consists of atoms chained or bunched together to form molecules, then where does LIFE come in?
    What is the difference between a stone, or a large rock, and an animal of any kind, let alone a human. If all we are is a mass of well constructed molecules consisting of atoms - filled mostly of empty space - then how is it that we have a mind? Is the mind made up of atoms? Is it true that having slightly different molecular arrangements make us living humans so different from a lump of rock, or water for that matter, as a greater percentage of our bodies is water.
    All this is science.
    Science is everywhere, so it could be classed as omnipresent. It is a source of knowledge, so in a way it is omniscient. We depend on it for daily living, it provides us with technology and civil engineering to make our lives much easier than living by hunting or just by instinct. Science is the core of medicine, and with hospitals where we can be cured, science is a kind of savior. And science is what we trust if we hit a major crisis, such as an impending flu pandemic, famine, threat of Climate Change, and even a threat of war. If science can do all these things and more - then really, science is our salvation, and can be deitified as a god. Or a mother goddess.
    But science still does not have an answer for our minds, the way the mind works, our conscience, our desision making, our awareness of right and wrong, our emotions, our wellbeing. Science has no answers for the SOUL.
    And most of all, our awareness of eternity which is the wellspring of all religions.
    Religions. Neither a rock nor water worship any god. They are both a mass of atoms strung together as molecules.
    Like all of you, I too am just a mass of atoms strung together as molecules. But I also worship a deity. So do you.
    Like if I was to write or teach that Allah and his prophet Muhammed were all bullshit, in a Muslim country I would be executed. Here in the West I would be a pariah of all Muslims.
    When I question the validity of one scientific discipline, namely evolution in favor of Creationism, I'm looked upon as a pariah on this website. I am disliked, ignored and some of you might have activated the "Ignore His Posts" prompt. Your message is: Don't blaspheme our deity!
    It does not give you a good image of homosexuals, does it?
    More like wussies, hiding instead of a proper discussion. At times I think Straights have a point, when they say Gays are wussies.
    Now it's over to you.
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    Feb 18, 2010 2:06 AM GMT
    I have thought about that a lot too, Am beginning to wonder if it's possible that life is a fundamental force of the universe. Just as gravity, electro-magnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces are.
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    Feb 18, 2010 2:18 AM GMT
    You seem like the kind of guy who wouldn't have to be arrested and beaten and then put on a cross. You seem the kind of guy who'd jump up on it and nail your own hands and feet to it and then say everyone crucified you. Well, get to it already then. I got a show to catch.
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    Feb 18, 2010 2:21 AM GMT
    McGay saidYou seem like the kind of guy who wouldn't have to be arrested and beaten and then put on a cross. You seem the kind of guy who'd jump up on it and nail your own hands and feet to it and then say everyone crucified you. Well, get to it already then. I got a show to catch.


    It'd be a waste of good wood.
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    Feb 18, 2010 2:28 AM GMT
    Worship the voices.. Protect the cocoon..icon_neutral.gif
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    Feb 18, 2010 2:34 AM GMT
    OMG I do have a short attention span.
    I started to read the OP's post but all I could read was "blah, blah, blah, blah..." (sorry OP)
    But what it does make me realize is that I AM VERY religious because I pray ALL the time...
    "Oh my god... Oh Jesus, yes... Oh... Oh my... OH MY GOD YES!!"
    "Wordy, Wordy, Wordy... A-----men."
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    Feb 18, 2010 2:36 AM GMT
    EasilyDistracted saidOMG I do have a short attention span.
    I started to read the OP's post but all I could read was "blah, blah, blah, blah..." (sorry OP)
    But what it does make me realize is that I AM VERY religious because I pray ALL the time...
    "Oh my god... Oh Jesus, yes... Oh... Oh my... OH MY GOD YES!!"
    "Wordy, Wordy, Wordy... A-----men."



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    Feb 18, 2010 2:49 AM GMT
    WOW! And he's serious too.icon_eek.gif
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    Feb 18, 2010 2:49 AM GMT
    Mostwant3d said
    EasilyDistracted saidOMG I do have a short attention span.
    I started to read the OP's post but all I could read was "blah, blah, blah, blah..." (sorry OP)
    But what it does make me realize is that I AM VERY religious because I pray ALL the time...
    "Oh my god... Oh Jesus, yes... Oh... Oh my... OH MY GOD YES!!"
    "Wordy, Wordy, Wordy... A-----men."



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    Feb 18, 2010 5:01 AM GMT
    GuerrillaSodomite said
    McGay saidYou seem like the kind of guy who wouldn't have to be arrested and beaten and then put on a cross. You seem the kind of guy who'd jump up on it and nail your own hands and feet to it and then say everyone crucified you. Well, get to it already then. I got a show to catch.


    It'd be a waste of good wood.


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    Feb 18, 2010 6:13 AM GMT
    Hey, NotThatOld, you may want to check out the work of theoretical nuclear physicist Amit Goswami. He's done like four decades of work on quantum cosmology as it relates to the mind/body debate and inability of modern science to adequately expain consciousness.

    And while I get your point about the deification of science, I don't 100% agree with your creationism vs evolution statement. (But that's mostly because I feel that Creationism is a modern concept built atop ancient religious traditions that were more concerned with the order of the universe and not it's creation.)

    Additionally, I often question to what extent we create the realities around us - both consciously and subconsciously. Because if matter is mostly empty space composed of charged particles and we have a elementary understanding of how it holds; can we develop ways to alter those realities? Or more importantly, do we already have capabilites that we never even consider, since our brains, in everyday processing, produce electromagnetic radiation.

    There's actually a lot of research happening out there. Thankfully, science, like religion, isn't a monolith of homoginized thought. And a lot of scientists are asking the same questions as you are.

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    Feb 18, 2010 6:23 AM GMT
    NotThatOld saidWhen one considers that by scale there is a huge empty space between the nucleus and the orbiting electrons, like an insect placed in the middle of a football field, the electron would be as another insect on the edge of the field. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that matter is mainly empty space. But here is the crunch. If ALL matter consists of atoms chained or bunched together to form molecules, then where does LIFE come in?

    Life is not a "switch" that is suddenly on in some species and off in another less complex species. We all evolve from basic components that adhere to simple laws like thermodynamics and electricity. However the more intricate this system grows, the more variables and mutations give way to new behaviors that may contradict or override the simple laws. Our brains are specifically developed to be able to learn as we grow. This is beyond atoms and molecules, which don't learn anything.

    NotThatOld saidBut science still does not have an answer for our minds, the way the mind works, our conscience, our desision making, our awareness of right and wrong, our emotions, our wellbeing. Science has no answers for the SOUL.

    Science is working on answers for our minds and it already has many which you are unaware of (and most people on this forum are too). Read any neuroscience text book and you'll find answers to how people make decisions and how their emotions are regulated. New methods of understanding the origin and pathways for protein and genetic coding in the brain and nervous system are being rigorously tested right now. Science has no answers for the SOUL because the SOUL is not a scientific word. The SOUL is an abstract concept which humans grasp on to in order to make themselves believe they are epiphenomenal to biology, which they are not. What you perceive as a SOUL is simply your emotions which you don't even fully understand.


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    It does not give you a good image of homosexuals, does it?
    More like wussies, hiding instead of a proper discussion. At times I think Straights have a point, when they say Gays are wussies.
    Now it's over to you.

    Actually you sound like you have no idea what you are talking about now. I'm not sure judging homosexuals has any relevance to your thoughtful philosophy that you started off with. This just sounds like a tangent. Stick to your own topic.
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    Feb 18, 2010 6:27 AM GMT
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    Mostwant3d said
    EasilyDistracted saidOMG I do have a short attention span.
    I started to read the OP's post but all I could read was "blah, blah, blah, blah..." (sorry OP)
    But what it does make me realize is that I AM VERY religious because I pray ALL the time...
    "Oh my god... Oh Jesus, yes... Oh... Oh my... OH MY GOD YES!!"
    "Wordy, Wordy, Wordy... A-----men."



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    Feb 18, 2010 8:13 AM GMT
    jakebensen saidScience has no answers for the SOUL because the SOUL is not a scientific word.


    Exactly. So how do you use science to invalidate an idea that science hasn't even figured out how to quantify?

    jakebensen saidThe SOUL is an abstract concept which humans grasp on to in order to make themselves believe they are epiphenomenal to biology, which they are not.


    Since this is stated as fact, can you point me to the scientific experiment that proves conclusively the absence of the SOUL.


    jakebensen saidWhat you perceive as a SOUL is simply your emotions which you don't even fully understand.


    Emotions like anger, sadness, fear, and even affection are one thing, and I can easily concede that these have been linked to physical sources. But what of imagination? Or insight? Or thought? Or reasoning? Or creativity? There is no neurophysiological research, that I'm aware of, that conclusively show that these higher levels of thinking have been traced to physical sources. If you have information, please share.

    My basic premise here is not an either/or. I'm just confident that when it comes to the universe, what we don't understand far exceeds what we do. So when people stand behind the absolute truth of science (or religion, for that matter), I tend hold a healthy amount of scepticism about what they have to say.
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    Feb 18, 2010 8:39 AM GMT
    It drives me crazy when people latch onto a scientific concept, wildly misinterpret the data, and use it to justify some sort of whacky ideology. Yes, there is a large amount of space between a nucleus and its surrounding electrons - this in no way implies the existence (or absence) of a soul. Also, it in no way implies that space is empty - we don't know that yet. Hopefully the LHC will shed some light on that (pun intended) in the near future.
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    Feb 18, 2010 9:46 AM GMT
    Well, I guess I should have known better. It took the first nine junk-posts to get through before someone comes up with something sensible, the sort of discussion I was looking for. Thanks Bknyguy, for your contribution.
    But my idea of wussiness among Gays (and some Straights as well) was borne out by the fact that some of my recents topic starters seemed to have been ignored, or given scant attention.
    Like I said before, this is a website, not a bar or clubhouse. The forums are for discussions, but it is used for name slanging.
    If everyone agreed with each other on all topics, there would not be a forum in the first place, this site would fail, or just be a dating site, and this world would be a crushing bore.
    And I'm not here to hurt anyone.
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    Feb 18, 2010 9:57 AM GMT
    Mostwant3d said
    EasilyDistracted said
    Mostwant3d said
    EasilyDistracted saidOMG I do have a short attention span.
    I started to read the OP's post but all I could read was "blah, blah, blah, blah..." (sorry OP)
    But what it does make me realize is that I AM VERY religious because I pray ALL the time...
    "Oh my god... Oh Jesus, yes... Oh... Oh my... OH MY GOD YES!!"
    "Wordy, Wordy, Wordy... A-----men."


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    Sorry... I was in my cocoon listening to the voices... did you say something? icon_eek.gif


    How did you end up inside the cocoon? Through the orifice? icon_neutral.gif



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    Feb 18, 2010 10:42 AM GMT
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    jakebensen saidScience has no answers for the SOUL because the SOUL is not a scientific word.

    Exactly. So how do you use science to invalidate an idea that science hasn't even figured out how to quantify?

    You can't quantify something that claims to be above science in it's own definition. Therefore you can't use science to quantify a SOUL. Science can't also figure out god or the tooth fairy because those are all fantasies as well that have no biological foundation. The soul isn't quantifiable because by definition it's just some abstract general concept...just like god.

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    The SOUL is an abstract concept which humans grasp on to in order to make themselves believe they are epiphenomenal to biology, which they are not.

    Since this is stated as fact, can you point me to the scientific experiment that proves conclusively the absence of the SOUL.

    I never claimed science can disprove or prove a SOUL. So your rebuttal is specious. I said that people think the SOUL is beyond biology, which it clearly is not because although conceptually the SOUL can be anything you imagine it to be, realistically the only thing you can prove is what you are composed of. Again science cannot prove or disprove a SOUL because the definition of it makes it too abstract and general, like the concept of god.

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    Emotions like anger, sadness, fear, and even affection are one thing, and I can easily concede that these have been linked to physical sources. But what of imagination? Or insight? Or thought? Or reasoning? Or creativity? There is no neurophysiological research, that I'm aware of, that conclusively show that these higher levels of thinking have been traced to physical sources. If you have information, please share.


    Imagination, insight, thought, reasoning, and creativity are all neurophysiological. Just because you don't know the details doesn't mean insight comes from some magical SOUL that's beyond science. All of it is chemical. All of it. Don't feel down though because chemistry is really complicated. You're too stupid to know yourself in detail. We're all too stupid to know what we are in detail. But everything you do, think, and feel comes from your central and peripheral nervous system. Just because you don't know HOW it comes from your central nervous system doesn't mean you have some special SOUL ability. You can believe you possess a SOUL all you want though. But that will be just as valid as me saying that 20 dead aliens from the future are standing over me right now watching my every move. I mean what...it's POSSIBLE RIGHT because SCIENCE can't DISPROVE it?!?!? And you can't disprove it either! hahahahahaah

    For the love of god stick yourself inside an fMRI and look at the bloodflow already.

    And learn to spell my name right. BENSON You spelled it wrong three times. Learn to spell it correctly or I will crush your SOUL! (ooohhhh snap)

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    Feb 18, 2010 10:54 AM GMT
    NotThatOld saidWell, I guess I should have known better. It took the first nine junk-posts to get through before someone comes up with something sensible, the sort of discussion I was looking for.


    Okay I came up with something logical and you call it junk? Well there's no use in trying to debate so I'll just flame the crap out of you from now on. God damn fucking hippy. There is no such thing as soul. You only FEEL magical and special because you've spent too much time doing drugs and going to yoga classes.
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    Feb 18, 2010 11:06 AM GMT
    ONCE AGAIN.....Here is another bloody stupid post about religion and this god nonsense in the "All Things Gay" forum!! icon_mad.gif Why?
    This rubbish needs to be in the "spirituality" forum where is belongs!!
    It was bad enough when that other dolt G_F"a"rce was on here posting all of his religious/god bullshit in these non-religious threads!!!
    OP, penn these views of yours in the spirituality thread where they belong. That's why it's there. (To spare the rest of us from what has been the bedrock of anti-Gay sentiment and predjudice in this world! (Which all stems from religion...which all stems from the ridiculous belief in this god thing!)) icon_mad.gif
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    Feb 18, 2010 11:10 AM GMT
    Hey Musclequest, I had sex with your soul last night. What do you think science has to say about that!
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    Feb 18, 2010 11:19 AM GMT
    JakeBenson saidHey Musclequest, I had sex with your soul last night. What do you think science has to say about that!


    Now here is a first........I have no reponse for this post. LOL!
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    Feb 18, 2010 11:20 AM GMT
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    Like I said before, this is a website, not a bar or clubhouse. The forums are for discussions, but it is used for name slanging.


    Yeah not shit which is why you slanged everyone who posted except for the one person who spelled my name wrong. You're not better or smarter than anyone else here, you're just more annoying. And I shall flame you for that.
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    Feb 18, 2010 11:21 AM GMT
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    JakeBenson saidHey Musclequest, I had sex with your soul last night. What do you think science has to say about that!


    Now here is a first........I have no reponse for this post. LOL!
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    I bet science has a response. Let's run an experiment.
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    Feb 18, 2010 11:25 AM GMT
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    JakeBenson saidHey Musclequest, I had sex with your soul last night. What do you think science has to say about that!


    Now here is a first........I have no reponse for this post. LOL!
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    I bet science has a response. Let's run an experiment.


    Science running an experiment on something that doesn't exist. icon_eek.gif
    Sounds as silly and wasteful as this whole religious/god rubbish.
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