Kentucky Senate Panel Approves Bible Literacy Bill, Senate Bill 142

  • metta

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    Feb 19, 2010 5:08 PM GMT




    http://bluegrasspolitics.bloginky.com/2010/02/18/senate-panel-approves-bible-literacy-bill/
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    Feb 19, 2010 5:24 PM GMT
    I guess the parents cant get up and get the kids to Sunday School so they can learn about the Bible there. ... icon_wink.gif
  • Mepark

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    Feb 19, 2010 5:47 PM GMT
    A Bible class is optional across many high schools in the country.... my own high school had one.... no one complained. Aren't there classes on Shakespeare, who the hell is Shakespeare that you honor him with course of his own. After all, isn't just a book?
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    Feb 19, 2010 11:27 PM GMT
    Mepark saidA Bible class is optional across many high schools in the country.... my own high school had one.... no one complained. Aren't there classes on Shakespeare, who the hell is Shakespeare that you honor him with course of his own. After all, isn't just a book?


    Shakespeare did more for the English language (though not as much as Milton did) than Jesus did. If you fail to recognize the complexities and contributions of Shakespeare to Language Arts as a whole, then don't speak as if you do.

    Secondly, optional or not, it's not in accord with separation of Church and State. I understand the point of religion being intertwined with culture, but Judaism is often more present than Christianity in reference and we don't offer an elective in that. So unless you think we should offer a class in Islam, Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism, etc... then the sole advocating and acceptance of a Christian perspective in education is misleading and unconstitutional.
  • stevendust

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    Feb 19, 2010 11:31 PM GMT
    Yeah, this doesn't sound like anything new. Bible as Literature classes are offered already in other areas.
  • Mepark

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    Feb 19, 2010 11:55 PM GMT
    calibro said
    Mepark saidA Bible class is optional across many high schools in the country.... my own high school had one.... no one complained. Aren't there classes on Shakespeare, who the hell is Shakespeare that you honor him with course of his own. After all, isn't just a book?


    Shakespeare did more for the English language (though not as much as Milton did) than Jesus did. If you fail to recognize the complexities and contributions of Shakespeare to Language Arts as a whole, then don't speak as if you do.

    Secondly, optional or not, it's not in accord with separation of Church and State. I understand the point of religion being intertwined with culture, but Judaism is often more present than Christianity in reference and we don't offer an elective in that. So unless you think we should offer a class in Islam, Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism, etc... then the sole advocating and acceptance of a Christian perspective in education is misleading and unconstitutional.


    Jesus didn't speak English. The Bible is or at least should be a humanities, not a literature course.

    And to the highlighted text, I don't understand. The Bible refers to the Old AND New testaments. Islam, Buddhism, Scientology, etc. teach em all. Don't try to pretend they didn't, and don't continue to contribute to society, good or bad, or that kids shouldn't be taught in depth about them. What exactly is the threat here? In fact I think a world religions course should be a requirement.
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    Feb 19, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
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  • calibro

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    Feb 20, 2010 12:00 AM GMT
    Mepark said
    calibro said
    Mepark saidA Bible class is optional across many high schools in the country.... my own high school had one.... no one complained. Aren't there classes on Shakespeare, who the hell is Shakespeare that you honor him with course of his own. After all, isn't just a book?


    Shakespeare did more for the English language (though not as much as Milton did) than Jesus did. If you fail to recognize the complexities and contributions of Shakespeare to Language Arts as a whole, then don't speak as if you do.

    Secondly, optional or not, it's not in accord with separation of Church and State. I understand the point of religion being intertwined with culture, but Judaism is often more present than Christianity in reference and we don't offer an elective in that. So unless you think we should offer a class in Islam, Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism, etc... then the sole advocating and acceptance of a Christian perspective in education is misleading and unconstitutional.


    Jesus didn't speak English. The Bible is or at least should be a humanities, not a literature course.

    And to the highlighted text, I don't understand. The Bible refers to the Old AND New testaments. Islam, Buddhism, Scientology, etc. teach em all. Don't try to pretend they didn't, and don't continue to contribute to society, good or bad, or that kids shouldn't be taught in depth about them. What exactly is the threat here? In fact I think a world religions course should be a requirement.


    I never said they didn't contribute; I said if you teach one you have to teach them all (and the Jewish interpretation of the Old Testament is not the same as the Christian) and nowhere do I hear people advocating in this procedures that the Quran should be included.
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    Feb 20, 2010 12:08 AM GMT
    Let us pray that our friend Musclequest does not click on to this thread.
    He gets very hot up when a religious thread turns up on the "mainstream forum" and not on the "spiritual" section.

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    Feb 20, 2010 12:57 AM GMT
    What other mythology courses does this school system offer?
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    Feb 20, 2010 1:05 AM GMT
    If they're truly sincere why not make it a religious scriptures study. One that encompasses ALL religions instead of this blatant kowtowing to the christian voting bloc? It certainly will teach children far more things about tolerance and understanding than the Bible alone ever will.

    I mean... 'angels sat down on their shoulders.'?! REALLY?!

    These are your senators? And... there's nothing else more important that should've been taking their time?
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    Feb 20, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
    Mepark -
    NO, the Bible is NOT just a book.
    It's a belief system.
    Very different from the works of Shakespeare.
    Nobody started a war based on something in one of Shakespeare's plays or sonnets.
    Nobody denied gay Americans equal rights based on something Shakespeare wrote.
  • MSUBioNerd

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    Feb 20, 2010 1:37 AM GMT
    While I'm as wary of religion in the public schools as the next person, the article states "the [Kentucky State] Senate Education Committee unanimously approved a bill to give public schools guidelines for teaching the Bible as an elective social studies course."

    If that's an accurate characterization, they're not creating courses or mandating them. They are telling schools that if such courses are going to be taught, they should follow certain specific guidelines -- and are presumably stating what those guidelines are. It's kind of hard to oppose that. Personally, I'd like a collaboration between, say, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the American Civil Liberties Union, and the National Educators Association to put together a list of guidelines from Supreme Court rulings about what are legally valid and invalid ways of using religion and religious texts in public schools. Regardless of what those current rulings are, wouldn't it be helpful to have a centralized summary of what they are, so people knew what the rules were?
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    Feb 20, 2010 1:46 AM GMT
    Umm...this already exists where I live. It is a secular course that teaches the bible as history. How secular, I don't know.
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    Feb 20, 2010 2:22 AM GMT
    School children don't need to to fill their head with unimportant things like arithmetic, world history, or science. Everything you need to know about those subjects can be found in the bible. Let jesus be your tutor and you'll learn everything you need to know in life. Knowledge is dangerous.
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    Feb 20, 2010 2:29 AM GMT
    If the bible gets special attention, so should Hustler Magazine.
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  • trl_

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    Feb 20, 2010 2:34 AM GMT
    calibro said
    Secondly, optional or not, it's not in accord with separation of Church and State. I understand the point of religion being intertwined with culture, but Judaism is often more present than Christianity in reference and we don't offer an elective in that. So unless you think we should offer a class in Islam, Buddhism, Shintoism, Hinduism, etc... then the sole advocating and acceptance of a Christian perspective in education is misleading and unconstitutional.


    I'm curious how this perspective responds to the fact that in Germany for example, they also separate church and state but all the students are required to take courses on each major religion in their society (Catholicism, Lutheranism, Islam).
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    Feb 20, 2010 2:59 AM GMT
    GwgTrunks saidWhat other mythology courses does this school system offer?



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    Feb 20, 2010 3:26 AM GMT
    Mepark saidA Bible class is optional across many high schools in the country.... my own high school had one.... no one complained. Aren't there classes on Shakespeare,


    I know I'm going to get flamed for this but here goes.

    The comparison with Shakespeare is apt except that it understates the role of the Bible in Western culture up to and including the 20th century. It's huge. So huge the most of the cultural inheritance would be incomprehensible without some exposure to the Bible.
    Painting and sculpture? What was most of it about before 1700?
    Literature? Try to read Milton or Dante and have a clue what they're writing about. Try to get through any of the Victorian novelists or poets without getting the Biblical allusions.
    Stories and characters from the Bible, parables and quotations, psalms, beatitudes, prayers, specific turns of phrase are so interwoven with premodern culture they appear everywhere and in everything.
    This generation is maybe the first to grow up without being immersed in the Bible from early childhood. It may be a good thing in terms of freedom from religious repression. But it's a sad thing if it means that future generations will be cut off from understanding and being enriched by the culture that the Bible partly shaped.

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    Feb 20, 2010 3:28 AM GMT
    TexDef07 said
    Mepark saidA Bible class is optional across many high schools in the country.... my own high school had one.... no one complained. Aren't there classes on Shakespeare,


    I know I'm going to get flamed for this but here goes.

    The comparison with Shakespeare is apt except that it understates the role of the Bible in Western culture up to and including the 20th century. It's huge. So huge the most of the cultural inheritance would be incomprehensible without some exposure to the Bible.
    Painting and sculpture? What was most of it about before 1700?
    Literature? Try to read Milton or Dante and have a clue what they're writing about. Try to get through any of the Victorian novelists or poets without getting the Biblical allusions.
    Stories and characters from the Bible, parables and quotations, psalms, beatitudes, prayers, specific turns of phrase are so interwoven with premodern culture they appear everywhere and in everything.
    This generation is maybe the first to grow up without being immersed in the Bible from early childhood. It may be a good thing in terms of freedom from religious repression. But it's a sad thing if it means that future generations will be cut off from understanding and being enriched by the culture that the Bible partly shaped.

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    I never had a Bible-as-literature course growing up, and I'd hardly say I'm "cut off from understanding" Western culture. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 20, 2010 3:32 AM GMT
    Buffyfan84 saidUmm...this already exists where I live. It is a secular course that teaches the bible as history. How secular, I don't know.


    Teaching the Bible as history is not secular... its religion
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    Feb 20, 2010 3:39 AM GMT
    Look at what the democrats said in the article.

    I want a new Progressive party please!
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    Feb 20, 2010 4:46 AM GMT
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    Feb 20, 2010 5:21 AM GMT
    conscienti1984 saidLook at what the democrats said in the article.

    I want a new Progressive party please!



    I'm not a Democrat but I will say that those are Southern Democrats. Probably Blue Dog Democrats (Democrats in name only).
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    Feb 20, 2010 5:44 AM GMT
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    conscienti1984 saidLook at what the democrats said in the article.

    I want a new Progressive party please!



    I'm not a Democrat but I will say that those are Southern Democrats. Probably Blue Dog Democrats (Democrats in name only).


    Ah yes, DINOs and RINOs