41% of Texans know that The Flintstones is not a documentary.

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    Feb 20, 2010 8:37 AM GMT
    I'm doing all I can. But the stupid has such a strong hold here. Interesting to note (to me, anyway) the disparity between Democrats & Republicans (and in particular Rick Perry supporters).

    http://www.texastribune.org/stories/2010/feb/17/meet-flintstones/#

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    Feb 20, 2010 11:08 AM GMT
    Shame too. Texas is so rich in fossils. When I was a kid I mailed one of the USGS centers in Texas asking for help to identify one of my specimens (a bit naive, but heck I was a kid! icon_razz.gif). I found the address on the back-cover of some library book.

    They not only sent back tips on how to identify it, but they also sent back some books (a 'kid primer' on fossil collecting, several catalogues, and for godknowswhatreason, a technical report on Mississippian gastropods along some Texan creek) which has since fueled my lifelong interest in paleontology. icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 20, 2010 11:32 AM GMT
    Well to their defense, at the first question the religion thing comes in aswell..
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    Feb 20, 2010 11:47 AM GMT
    It Is religion
    and there is a concerted effort to lie
    to people and tell them that Evolution is not fact and that the Bible
    should be taught in schools

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4630737

    While the schools cannot stop teaching Evolution because of the Supreme Court ruling in 1968 where it ruled in Epperson v Arkansas that not teaching it is a violation of the First Amendment
    In the 80's they came up with the complete factually deficient pseudo-science
    called intelligent design

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    Feb 20, 2010 11:54 AM GMT
    You guys should read Idiot America by Charlie Pierce. It has a deep look at he Creation Museum and the forces behind this kind of stupidity. Really good book.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 20, 2010 3:47 PM GMT
    What do you expect from a state that continues to allow itself to be dominated by the narrow-minded, bible thumping lunatics. I am not at all one bit surprised by the alarming poll numbers here, this is just exposing the truth about how backward and unprogressive Texas really is due to endless regimes of right wing conservatives. This is another reason why I moved out of Texas, too many religious right wing imbeciles on the loose.
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    Feb 20, 2010 3:53 PM GMT
    Um Hello! Houston, Texas has an openly gay Mayor! Texas is NOT as narrow minded as YOU want it to be....most of the large cities here are run by Democrats...just like in the rest of the Country, it's the small towns and "country folk" that dominate State elections and opinion...
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    Feb 20, 2010 3:55 PM GMT
    smalltownboy saidUm Hello! Houston, Texas has an openly gay Mayor! Texas is NOT as narrow minded as YOU want it to be....most of the large cities here are run by Democrats...just like in the rest of the Country, it's the small towns and "country folk" that dominate State elections and opinion...


    So then explain the statistics in this article... just sayin' icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 20, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
    Honestly, I think the rest of the states are about as stupid.

    Part of it is religion.

    Part of it is that most people don't know very much.
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    Feb 20, 2010 4:01 PM GMT
    GQJock> there is a concerted effort to lie to people and tell them that Evolution is not fact

    I am still flabergasted that in liberal Ann Arbor, in the mid-1970s - just after the city became the first jurisdiction to elect an openly gay politician - Mr. Cox (a science teacher) tought us that Evolution was no longer supported.


    GQJock> In the 80's they came up with the complete factually deficient pseudo-science called intelligent design

    Excellent article debunking "ID" with a title particularly suited for the gay community:

    THE CASE AGAINST INTELLIGENT DESIGN [9.1.2005]
    The Faith That Dare Not Speak Its Name
    by Jerry Coyne
    http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/coyne05/coyne05_index.html


    While Genesis does tell us that the great sea monsters (and sea life) were created before life on land (supportive of evolution (: ), it makes no mention of great land monsters. It doesn't even lament that Noah couldn't fit them on the Ark and that they all drowned.

    It seems that not only do some consider the Flintstones a documentary, they don't know that we've only known for a few hundred years that dinosaurs existed (previously in Europe it was thought that the large bones occasionally discovered were from "giants". In China they were identified as dragons, which I suppose is somewhat correct but I suspect they were seen as rare magical creatures rather than prevalent a long time ago.) The point being that there is no human memory of dinosaurs, not even in cave paintings, and that just might be due to the fact that they were long gone before "Adam", or even Lucy.
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    Feb 20, 2010 4:02 PM GMT
    Niceguy89 saidWell to their defense, at the first question the religion thing comes in as well..

    And why is the "religion thing" a defense for stupidity? Religion tends to be a majority source of stupidity in US life.
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    Feb 20, 2010 4:08 PM GMT
    While religion is a major cause for narrow-minded thinking in this country, another contribution is television especially these idiotic reality TV shows like American Idol. Americans are so apathetic about major issues because they too busy being entertained by the blatant stupidity on television.
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    Feb 20, 2010 4:15 PM GMT
    I'm sure if you did a poll in California and asked whether people believed in aura readers or fortune tellers, you'd get about the same ridiculous 'statistics' skewed against the state. And I'm from there.

    I'd also like to point out that California has the 48th (according to the NAEP) worst school system in the country. Texas is in the top ten. But why focus on real statistics when you can post a survey with inflammatory comments?

    The truth is that the most obnoxious posters are probably people who have spent no appreciable amount of time in a variety of states, haven't come to know people in those states, and allow themselves the indulgence of making complete buffoons of themselves by stereotyping and generalizing to their hearts' content in order to vent outrage in their sad, boring little lives.

    smalltownboy saidUm Hello! Houston, Texas has an openly gay Mayor! Texas is NOT as narrow minded as YOU want it to be....most of the large cities here are run by Democrats...just like in the rest of the Country, it's the small towns and "country folk" that dominate State elections and opinion...
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    Feb 20, 2010 4:19 PM GMT
    And to the OP - honestly, do you really need to fan the flames? There are stupid people all over this country, and surveys to prove we're surrounded by them no matter the state. You live in Austin. You know better.
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    Feb 20, 2010 4:20 PM GMT
    abelian0 saidAnd to the OP - honestly, do you really need to fan the flames? There are stupid people all over this country, and surveys to prove we're surrounded by them no matter the state. You live in Austin. You know better.


    I would bet that if this were a national poll, the statistics would be at least, if not more alarming.
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    Feb 20, 2010 4:21 PM GMT
    To be fair, the statistics are probably similar in many bible belt states. It´s not just Texas
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    Feb 20, 2010 4:32 PM GMT
    Keep an important thing in mind regarding these statistics and polls. They only sample a very small percentage of people so we really have to be careful when making generalizations about society as a whole because you never know what really is out there. I don't take much stock in polls because people are very unpredictable. Also keep in mind, it is not only the small towns and rural areas that are ignorant and backward. There are very sizable, significant pockets of ignorance and backwardness in many suburban and urban areas even in several inner city areas. So this primitive, redneck thinking is pretty widespread throughout much of the country and most other countries in the world.
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    Feb 20, 2010 4:33 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    Niceguy89 saidWell to their defense, at the first question the religion thing comes in as well..

    And why is the "religion thing" a defense for stupidity? Religion tends to be a majority source of stupidity in US life.


    its not a defense for stupidity. Some people actually believe that the humans didnt evolve from other species. So its only a defense for the answers on that specific question.
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    Feb 20, 2010 4:35 PM GMT
    Why are people here always 'hating' on Texas? I agree with the statements that say the rest of the country would be about the same in this poll. Ignorant people are everywhere, and every state has country folk along with the super religous. The ones I find most ignorant are the ones blinded by the media and would rather be entertained than educated. This entire country is on that boat!
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    Feb 20, 2010 5:11 PM GMT
    Umm, well...

    I'm assuming that most of the crew on here are US based.
    Be assured that the rest of the world mainly choose their beliefs about you by a number of things.

    1) Your president.
    When you have a twit in the most powerful position in the world, naturally we look at you as a little strange.

    2) Your media.
    Is it really necessary to be mainline excited and whooping for joy when you might just discuss?

    3)Your religion.
    I have many religious friends, and many who aren't, yet in my country that is not an issue. In yours, it seems to be a religion to have a stance about other religions?

    But here's the real kick in the pants - every single American I have met have been lovely, approachable people, who can have a decent conversation and be actually nice people.

    I think the problem you guys have is your global image.

    Discuss.

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    Feb 20, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
    Because Texas sucks.
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    Feb 20, 2010 5:18 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob> They only sample a very small percentage of people so we really have to be careful when making generalizations about society as a whole because you never know what really is out there. I don't take much stock in polls because people are very unpredictable.

    Unwarranted skepticism of scientific polls is also a form of ignorance.

    This Univ. of Texas poll had a sample size of 800 people leading to a margin of error of 3.46%.

    As 70% of respondents lived in the metro Houston, DFW, San Antonio or Austin areas, with 80% categorizing themselves as Urban or Suburban and only 20% as Rural. So, smalltownboy, it's not just "small towns and 'country folk'".

    On the other hand, there are indications that this poll is not representative. While 61% of respondents were white, the Census burea reports [2008] it is 82%. Home ownership rate (75%) was high [64% in 2000]. Those without even a high school diploma (2%) were low [24% in 2000, and that's limited to adults 25 and over]. It's impossible to tell how this skews the numbers without additional data from the survey, and even then extrapolations are tricky.

    Yet even if the numbers are off by 10% or even 20%... it's still not pretty.
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    Feb 20, 2010 5:20 PM GMT
    The other important question is whether this is really misrepresentative of the state versus other states. I assure you there are plenty of nutjobs in California. Just because Californians might pick a different sort of crazy doesn't mean they're fundamentally more rational. Ditto for the rest of the states.

    Caesarea4 saidRBR> They only sample a very small percentage of people so we really have to be careful when making generalizations about society as a whole because you never know what really is out there. I don't take much stock in polls because people are very unpredictable.

    Unwarranted skepticism of scientific polls is also a form of ignorance.

    This Univ. of Texas poll had a representative sample size of 800 people leading to a margin of error of 3.46%.

    As 70% of respondents lived in the metro Houston, DFW, San Antonio or Austin areas, with 80% categorizing themselves as Urban or Suburban and only 20% as Rural. So it's not just "small towns and 'country folk'".

    On the other hand, there are indications that this poll is not representative. While 61% of respondants were white, the Census burea reports (200icon_cool.gif it is 82%. Home ownership rate (75%) was high (64% in 2000). Those without even a high school diploma (2%) were low (76% in 2000, and that's limited to adults 25 and over). It's impossible to tell how this skews the numbers without additional data from the survey, and even then extrapolations are tricky.

    Yet even if the numbers are off by 10% or even 20%... it's still not pretty.
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    Feb 20, 2010 5:22 PM GMT
    So eloquent - that really added to the discussion.


    reppaT saidBecause Texas sucks.
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    Feb 20, 2010 5:22 PM GMT
    abelian0> The other important question is whether this is really misrepresentative of the state versus other states. I assure you there are plenty of nutjobs in California.

    I have no interest in focusing on Texas (just on that poll) and do, unfortunately, take it as (more or less) par for the US course.

    Texas: steers and queers.
    California: fruits and nuts.

    So you see? There are differences between the two....