YET ANOTHER BASHING...but in Austin???

  • ja89

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    Feb 23, 2010 9:12 AM GMT
    I never thought that Austinites would bash. I grew up there and there weren't too many signs of this ever happening soon. But what can you do? At least these guys put forth a fight. Here's the link to the story:

    http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/crime/kxan-austin-men-claim-attack-was-a-hate-crime

    I hope we see a change soon in the way we live.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 23, 2010 12:50 PM GMT
    http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/crime/kxan-austin-men-claim-attack-was-a-hate-crime
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 23, 2010 1:08 PM GMT
    I read some of the comments that were posted to the story on that website. Some people are complaining about Hate Crimes Legislation as being nothing more than special rights.

    This is what I posted in response to that:

    Some people on this comment thread don't understand the magnitude of hate crimes. Crimes of this nature serve a dual purpose: to inflict physical harm directly on someone and to use actionable threats to intimidate those who identify with the victim(s) (i.e. gay). If gays, or any other minority for that matter, are repeatedly attacked, what message does that send to other gays? Intimidation begins with the first attack.
    Hate Crimes legislation IS NOT special rights. An attack on one with a biased motivation is a threat to all.
    Here are the Hate Crime statistics of 2008: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/index.html
    People obviously need to get educated on the matter as it is clearly misunderstood by the way some of the comments here indicate.
  • HndsmKansan

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    Feb 23, 2010 1:13 PM GMT
    Sad to hear things like this happen in a place like Austin. I'd be curious to hear from some of our RJ members from Austin and their take on this.....

    And good response Coolarmydude to those comments to that article.
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    Feb 23, 2010 1:14 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidI read some of the comments that were posted to the story on that website. Some people are complaining about Hate Crimes Legislation as being nothing more than special rights.

    This is what I posted in response to that:

    Some people on this comment thread don't understand the magnitude of hate crimes. Crimes of this nature serve a dual purpose: to inflict physical harm directly on someone and to use actionable threats to intimidate those who identify with the victim(s) (i.e. gay). If gays, or any other minority for that matter, are repeatedly attacked, what message does that send to other gays? Intimidation begins with the first attack.
    Hate Crimes legislation IS NOT special rights. An attack on one with a biased motivation is a threat to all.
    Here are the Hate Crime statistics of 2008: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/index.html
    People obviously need to get educated on the matter as it is clearly misunderstood by the way some of the comments here indicate.


    You're awesome. Great reply.
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    Feb 23, 2010 1:15 PM GMT
    I'd love to see the Austin gay population take this into their own hands, find the pussies who did this and beat them to a bloody stump, all in secrecy, for there is no justice, only law.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 23, 2010 1:18 PM GMT
    McGay saidI'd love to see the Austin gay population take this into their own hands, find the pussies who did this and beat them to a bloody stump, all in secrecy, for there is no justice, only law.



    And then bound and gag them and smear make-up on them and dress them up in drag and make them do a whole Cher routine... icon_lol.gif That would be justice!
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    Feb 23, 2010 1:26 PM GMT
    Ignorance will be a tough one to overcome. Simple as that.

    VERY sad!
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    Feb 23, 2010 2:01 PM GMT
    Sheesh, I'd hate to see what would happen if attackers began carrying lethal weapons.icon_confused.gif
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    Feb 23, 2010 2:05 PM GMT
    RyanReBoRn saidSheesh, I'd hate to see what would happen if attackers began carrying lethal weapons.icon_confused.gif


    You mean like fists?
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    Feb 23, 2010 2:09 PM GMT
    This kind of savagery happens E V E R Y W H E R E !

    I used to participate in hate-crimes awareness training in West Hollywood. The conclusion that I took away from that experience is that every single GLBT person everywhere is a target.

    The best thing to do is be prepared. Basic self defense courses, the kind that are given to women to help raise awareness of dangerous situations, are just as applicable to men.

    Please don't think you are safe because you live in a Gay Ghetto or a big liberal city. Hate crimes are not about political affiliation.

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    Feb 23, 2010 2:15 PM GMT
    Yeah, I never would have thought that a gay bashing would happen in Austin. The city is so progressive, and Austinites have a "let live, mind your business" mindset. That is one of the reasons that I moved here. But I am sure that the community here will stand up, and fight against this.

    Two crazy acts in a week. The airplane in the IRS building, and now a gay bashing. WTH is going on?
  • shutoman

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    Feb 23, 2010 2:30 PM GMT
    ...and feet. Ryan you're lethal enough all by yourself. I'm sure there would have been a different outcome if you'd been in Austin :-)

    On another note. It's interesting how the Christian right has to categorise equality of marriage as an assault on the churches.
  • darryaz

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    Feb 23, 2010 3:03 PM GMT
    As progressive as Austin is, let's not forget, it IS in Texas.
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    Feb 23, 2010 3:10 PM GMT
    UrsaMajor is right - NYC has had some terrible anti-gay hate crimes recently.
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    Feb 23, 2010 3:41 PM GMT
    I just typed so much and deleted by mistake, so forgive me if this 2nd draft seems rushed.

    I recall, years ago, reading a quote that said something like, "Never underestimate the power of the Queens. Where would our rights be without them fighting on the front lines for us?" It made me rethink how I thought about Queens. I was grateful for the enlightenment.

    And although I am grateful for the gradual progress of Gay Rights (slow, but gradual), I have to say that we put too much confidence in Gay Rights Laws.

    Don't misquote me now...I think Laws against Hate Crimes are good, and necessary, but people need to realize that such laws are only tools we can use AFTER we've been victimized (God-willing we're still alive).

    That's because ignorant homophobes are still going to Gay Bash, given the right circumstances, with or without laws against it. What are those circumstances? Well here's one formula: three or more homophobes (one or more may even be a closeted homosexual), with lower than average I.Q., some alcohol, a desolate area, and one or two gay men that appear defenseless. There you have it. A gay bashing.

    So where am I going with this? Well, the way I see it we gay men, as a whole, have not adequately represented who we are in the world. There is still a largely lop-sided view of what a gay man is. Most straights STILL think that gay men = Jack, or gay man = fashion designer with a lisp. Why? Is that all who we are? Hell no!

    It's up to us masculine, brutish gay men to start stepping up to the plate. Perhaps if we're perceived as macho men, just like the straight men of the world, the idea that we're weak and defenseless will wane.

    So, praise to the Queens for the Laws that serve justice AFTER a hate crime, and now I call upon the Macho gays to help stop hate crimes before they begin.
  • calibro

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    Feb 23, 2010 3:56 PM GMT
    HndsmKansan saidSad to hear things like this happen in a place like Austin. I'd be curious to hear from some of our RJ members from Austin and their take on this.....

    And good response Coolarmydude to those comments to that article.


    Though rare, this does happen. Michael (the ex) and I were once walking back from the gay clubs on fourth street to seventh (so only three blocks away). Sixth street is where all the straight clubs and bars are. Anyways, we crossed sixth holding hands and some douchey frat boys started yelling out faggot, which is rather a rather occurrence in Austin. Unfortunately, no matter where you live, there will always be prejudice, even in the most liberal of places.