Waxy Maize Starch?

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    Feb 24, 2010 2:45 PM GMT
    So, I've noticed in the BB Mags and blogs more praise for Waxy Maize Starch as a better post-workout carbohydrate supplement than simple sugar (no crashes, diabetic friendly). Of course, I just started using it and it seems fine, but the container advertises bigger pumps, better drawing of other supplements into the muscle tissue, etc. I've noticed seapower mention this on the forums.

    - Does anybody have experience to share with WMS?

    - Does anybody have links/articles supporting the claims, or justifying this as a "better" carbohydrate?

    - I've seen some articles saying that it's also a good carbohydrate to start the morning when your body is "starved" and in a catabolic state. Any thoughts?

    Thanks,
    Matt
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    Feb 24, 2010 4:56 PM GMT
    - Use regular corn starch: it doesn't taste quite as funky and it's a little less "refined" than waxy maize.

    - It isn't a "better" carbohydrate by any means aside from being fairly complex and fairly easy to get down in large quantities, i.e. it's really good for bulking up. I did read a couple articles saying it wasn't anything special (especially when compared to other post-workout supplements containing dextrose or similar sugars) but I can't remember where I saw it.

    - Fat burns in the flame of carbohydrate: of course it's a good idea to start with carbs in the morning, otherwise your body's gonna hang on to all the fat it can because it ain't got no idea where its next meal's coming from!

    I used waxy maize for about a year and I'd take it with protein powder as a meal replacement if I was on the run or post-workout with juice and protein powder. It isn't particularly fast, as far as carbs go, but you will carb clear the hell up on it because it's good and dense. Keep in mind it isn't "magic"--it's not going to give you any benefits other than being a source of good calories.

    You will want to take it with juice after or before working out because your body will need the simple sugars, but otherwise just use it however.

    Plain old corn starch is ultimately just as good if not better, and it costs a hell of a lot less, too. I'll frequently buy it when I get groceries and burn through one every few days.
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    Feb 24, 2010 4:58 PM GMT
    I tried it for a few months and found that I was putting on too much fat. I switched back to ground oats as my main carb source, with a little bit of added dextrose pre workout.
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    Feb 24, 2010 5:48 PM GMT
    Hard to say. Tried it for a while with my protein shakes but didn't notice any variation in my progress. Have always been able to build muscle easily so...

    What I can tell you is that my trainer swears it's the next best thing since sliced bread and creatine.

    Interesting that corn starch would be a suitable substitute.
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    Feb 24, 2010 6:01 PM GMT
    seeker213 saidHard to say. Tried it for a while with my protein shakes but didn't notice any variation in my progress. Have always been able to build muscle easily so...

    What I can tell you is that my trainer swears it's the next best thing since sliced bread and creatine.

    Interesting that corn starch would be a suitable substitute.


    That's because it is corn starch LOL!
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    Feb 24, 2010 6:03 PM GMT
    Corn starch is nearly the same thing, and MUCH less expensive, and easier to obtain. Arguably, it's also every bit as effective except at one thing: removing money from your pocket.

    A wise man would do well to use corn starch instead.

    Unless it's snake oil from the "health food" store, the food should have the carb amounts on it. Read the label.

    Like "organic" lots of this crap is pure marketing. Want 40 grams of amino acids? Eat some tuna. Starch is pretty much starch.

    Oatmeal in the morning, which has a smidge of fat, is a very good for a slow carb, AND contains soluble fiber, which will improve your lipids.
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    Feb 24, 2010 6:39 PM GMT
    seeker213 saidHard to say. Tried it for a while with my protein shakes but didn't notice any variation in my progress. Have always been able to build muscle easily so...

    What I can tell you is that my trainer swears it's the next best thing since sliced bread and creatine.

    Interesting that corn starch would be a suitable substitute.



    That's because it is corn starch LOL!


    I got that the first time lol My point was that, once again, the supplement industry is screwing us over. Quelle surprise...
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    Feb 24, 2010 6:50 PM GMT
    Uh, FYI, if your trainer is fat, and less than 25, and pushing supplement X, it's because he's clueless and working on a commission. Those commissions can be 50%, or more, of their check.

    At one of the gyms we go to, one of the trainers has been shooting an inflammatory agent into his arms, thinking he's gonna' bust out of his shirts. We've tried to tell him that's not the path he should take for fascia expansion, but, he's got it in his head that this "honey" is going to give him 20" guns.

    The parts of our brains that govern good judgment don't mature until we're around 30. I'm forever reminded...
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    Feb 24, 2010 7:27 PM GMT
    My trainer is far from fat, has a university degree and is featured on television for his good work. He also never pushed anything on me, let alone useless supplements.

    I was the one who inquired about Waxy Maize.

    Why you even speculate about these things is beyond me lol
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    Feb 24, 2010 10:18 PM GMT
    I don't any person here made any remarks about your trainer. You'll want to re-read the topic.
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    Feb 25, 2010 10:55 AM GMT
    Thanks all,

    I was a little skeptical about the name since I do happen to cook on occasion and the name seemed vaguely familiar...

    I'll look a little closer at the chemical formula and see if there's any difference in terms of metabolism. I'm leaning to "no discernible difference".

    Thanks, flex89 & chuckstud, for the additional thoughts on morning carbs. I'll be giving oatmeal another go in the morning.

    Peace,
    M