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    Feb 24, 2010 6:11 PM GMT
    Pit Bull Attacks, Kills Conyers Infant


    CONYERS, Ga. -- A 5-day-old baby girl died Tuesday after being attacked by the family's pit bull dog, according to the Rockdale County Sheriff's Office.

    The infant's mother found the dog on top of the baby's bassinet on Thursday morning about 8:45 a.m. after hearing the baby crying.

    "As she approached the bassinet, she realized that the dog had bitten her daughter," said Sgt. Jodi Shupe of the Rockdale County Sheriff's Office in a release e-mailed to Channel 2 Action News.

    The parents took the baby to Rockdale Medical Center where she was airlifted to Children's HealthCare of Atlanta at Egleston. Surgery was performed on the infant and she was listed in critical condition. She died Tuesday as a result of her injuries.

    No charges are expected to be filed.

    The Sheriff's Office did not release the name of the family.


    My Take:

    I wonder if the bassinet was left on the floor or on a coffee table for the dog to have access to the baby. Sad.

    In defense of the dog he/her prolly thought the baby was a chew toy or something. I don't think the dog was properly socialized to be with baby considering it was only 5 days old. They baby should not have been left alone. Period!

    Friends of mine never let their Pit and Rotties near their twins until they were like six months old. They were always around and then the dogs were used to them and they knew that they were not a toy or something.

    Tragic!

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    Feb 24, 2010 6:35 PM GMT
    Nobody will ever convice me that pit bulls are not inately more evil and aggrssive then any other breed. You can argue nature verse nurture for any breed but pit bulls. I hate them.
    I have a late dog that was scared for life after my uncles pit bull attacked his leg for no reason. (he was a puppy)
    the same pit killed my grandpas pet goat of about 6-7 years for no reason one night
    one of my coworker is scarred in her arm about 7 inches+ from a pit bull random attack.

    The breed should go extinct in my eyes.
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    Feb 24, 2010 6:35 PM GMT
    chaos444 saidNobody will ever convice me that pit bulls are not inately more evil and aggrssive then any other breed. You can argue nature verse nurture for any breed but pit bulls. I hate them.
    I have a late dog that was scared for life after my uncles pit bull attacked his leg for no reason. (he was a puppy)
    the same pit killed my grandpas pet goat of about 6-7 years for no reason one night
    one of my coworker is scarred in her arm about 7 inches+ from a pit bull random attack.

    The breed should go extinct in my eyes.




    Wait... what? He had a pet goat?
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    Feb 24, 2010 6:37 PM GMT
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    chaos444 saidNobody will ever convice me that pit bulls are not inately more evil and aggrssive then any other breed. You can argue nature verse nurture for any breed but pit bulls. I hate them.
    I have a late dog that was scared for life after my uncles pit bull attacked his leg for no reason. (he was a puppy)
    the same pit killed my grandpas pet goat of about 6-7 years for no reason one night
    one of my coworker is scarred in her arm about 7 inches+ from a pit bull random attack.

    The breed should go extinct in my eyes.




    Wait... what? He had a pet goat?


    hell yes he did. It wa actually my families pet for a while but we gave it to my grandpa. Now he's a goat farmer and has hundreds of goats lol. They are awesome lol
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    Feb 24, 2010 6:45 PM GMT
    It goes back to socialization as well and responsible owners as well.
    I used to think the way that you but not any more two guys that live in the building that I live in have Pitts they are the most gentle dogs. If a dog is not altered the breed is more apt to be aggressive.

    Common sense should always prevail never leave an animal or a young child alone with an infant!

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    Feb 24, 2010 7:06 PM GMT
    its all how they are treated and trained and taught to socialize with other dogs or humans. My nephew has a pitbull and she is very affectionate and loves licking my face. Not scared of her at all.
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    Feb 24, 2010 7:45 PM GMT
    My family had pit bulls and it is totally about a) breeding and b) socialization. They are not inherently bad or vicious. Occasionally you can get a vicious dog, but that can happens with most breeds (or people for that matter).

    I think pit bulls have gotten a bum rap primarily because they are the dog of choice for irresponsible owners, who want them to be aggressive.

    In this case, who the hell leaves an infant where a dog can get to it while you're in another room?
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    Feb 24, 2010 7:53 PM GMT
    chaos444 saidNobody will ever convice me that pit bulls are not inately more evil and aggrssive then any other breed. You can argue nature verse nurture for any breed but pit bulls. I hate them.
    I have a late dog that was scared for life after my uncles pit bull attacked his leg for no reason. (he was a puppy)
    the same pit killed my grandpas pet goat of about 6-7 years for no reason one night
    one of my coworker is scarred in her arm about 7 inches+ from a pit bull random attack.

    The breed should go extinct in my eyes.


    Except they're not that way by nature and it's rants like that causing their bad name. Pit Bulls are fiercely loyal dogs and need to be trained properly. It doesn't sound as if it was the pit bull that was the problem as much as it was your uncle who clearly raised the dog incorrectly if it attacks unprovoked and goes after other animals. Just like the pit bull shouldn't be blamed for the baby's death; unless socialized with a baby, the pit bull would have no way of identifying it as part of its family. Careless owners who do not take the proper channels to socialize and condition their dogs are usually the ones to blame for a dog attack. A dog is a animal with innate wild behaviors and without the same mental capacities as people; if you fail to treat your dog at the level it needs to be tamed an instead expect it to act like a human then don't be surprised when this happens.
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    Feb 24, 2010 8:12 PM GMT
    Calibro-

    EXCELENT POINT!
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    Feb 24, 2010 8:17 PM GMT
    Ducky46 saidCalibro-

    EXCELLENT POINT!


    Ditto.
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    Feb 24, 2010 8:34 PM GMT
    As a dog owner, I believe in my bones that dog owners are responsible for their dogs socialization, training AND behavior... not the dog.

    Dogs are pack animals and behave how we condition them.
    All dogs have special needs if they are to be well adjusted canine citizens of a human world. As such all dogs require special socialization and training depending on the breed and temperament. Small dogs and large dogs a like.

    There is no reason that any domesticated dog breed would be a threat to society other than an owners blatant negligence. I've been attacked by dogs, my pets have been mauled by other peoples dogs, I've had farm animals killed by other people's and our own dogs. Dogs are followers in our world and owners need to be responsible to their companions as such.
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    Feb 24, 2010 8:38 PM GMT
    I have a mutt who we believe is part pit bull and part boxer. He is approaching 12 years of age now. We got him at the pound when he was a little puppy, and my sister picked him out because he seemend to be the sweetest puppy there (only dog/puppy there that wasn't barking). And, since the day we've got him, he's been the sweetest dog you could ever imagine, at least to other humans. People who come by our home and see him believe he will bite their heads off (we keep our dogs in a big fence outside and let them out a good bit during the spring and summer), but everytime they go by, he is always wagging his tail, and he'll jump on the fence and let anyone pet him without trying to bite anyone, even little children. He loves giving kisses on the face and mouth, more than any of our dogs.

    Having said that, this dog is not very friendly to other animals who aren't dogs. He's killed snakes, squirrels, possums, turtles, etc. and brought them up to us. We have a cat, and we try not to let the other dogs out when our cat is out because we're not sure what he would do with a cat. He's never killed a cat as far as we know. To other dogs, it depends on the dog. If the dog is small and nonthreatening, he's nice to them (we had a weenie dog years ago who he loved). As long as he knows he's the boss, he's good. We have a Yellow Lab, and they both have gotten into fights occasionally for dominance, but they have never caused any real damage to each other. But, that always happens when you have 2 male dogs. One is going to declare dominance! Our pit pull/boxer is so old now that the Yellow Lab always pins him down. Our pit bull/boxer has lived with 6 different dogs (3 are now dead, and 3 are currently living with him), and he hasn't seriously injured any one of them.

    I do agree that it depends on how they are raised. We had another dog years ago, don't know what kind of dog she was (she was white, had a lot of hair, her tail curled up, weighed around 30-40 pounds) who my grandparents got and we ended up keeping. This dog was around a year old when we got her, and anytime someone yelled, she would cower down and act scared. She did not really like strangers, she was always scared of anyone else that came. We're quite certain her old owner beat her. Anyway, my cousin came over one day and was petting the dogs. It wasn't the pit bull/boxer who snapped at him. It was this dog. She didn't actually bite him, just snapped at him, which scared him, and me. And, he said "I can't believe that dog did that and not your other dog (referring to the pit bull/boxer)."

    Now, about this tragic story, it is definitely sad. I have to agree with others in asking why was a 5 day year old girl left alone and that close to a bigger dog in the first place? She was 5 days old for crying out loud. I wouldn't leave her alone with any dog. I don't care what kind it was. I agree with one poster that the dog may have thought she was a chew toy. I think this could have happened with other breeds of dogs besides the pit bull. Second of all, we don't know how this particular pit bull was raised. And, as someone else mentioned, you are going to get some bad apples regardless of the breed. Maybe pit bulls are more aggressive than other breeds, but as long as the owner is responsible and takes all precautions, everything should be fine. Too many dog owners should not be dog owners! Also, too many people have certain kinds of dogs they shouldn't be having. If you're in an urban area with no space outside for your dog, you need an inside dog! We live in the country with lots of space for our dogs.

    Christian73 saidI think pit bulls have gotten a bum rap primarily because they are the dog of choice for irresponsible owners, who want them to be aggressive.

    In this case, who the hell leaves an infant where a dog can get to it while you're in another room?


    Ducky46 said
    Common sense should always prevail never leave an animal or a young child alone with an infant!


    Agreed!

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    Feb 24, 2010 8:38 PM GMT
    Gee, I wonder why it's ALWAYS a pit bull or a rottweiler that chewed a kid's face off. Couldn't possibly be a naturally vicious breed. Roll my eyes.

    EVERY dog owner claims that his dog is harmless, even as Animal Control is taking their dog away to be exterminated.

    People who have vicious attack dogs are trying to make up for their low self esteem.
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    Feb 24, 2010 8:57 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidGee, I wonder why it's ALWAYS a pit bull or a rottweiler that chewed a kid's face off. Couldn't possibly be a naturally vicious breed. Roll my eyes.

    EVERY dog owner claims that his dog is harmless, even as Animal Control is taking their dog away to be exterminated.

    People who have vicious attack dogs are trying to make up for their low self esteem.


    That's akin to saying... gee... I wonder why most crimes are committed by men (81 percent) and the number jumps when it's just violent crime (87 percent). I guess that means all men are violent by nature.
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    Feb 24, 2010 8:59 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidGee, I wonder why it's ALWAYS a pit bull or a rottweiler that chewed a kid's face off. Couldn't possibly be a naturally vicious breed. Roll my eyes.

    EVERY dog owner claims that his dog is harmless, even as Animal Control is taking their dog away to be exterminated.

    People who have vicious attack dogs are trying to make up for their low self esteem.


    What about people who blame helpless animals who have been used for fighting and other cruel things?

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    Webster666 saidGee, I wonder why it's ALWAYS a pit bull or a rottweiler that chewed a kid's face off. Couldn't possibly be a naturally vicious breed. Roll my eyes.


    Maybe it's also because too many people don't properly care for these animals the way they should be! Some people train these dogs to be guard dogs to keep others away. So, yea, of course they're the ones you hear about killing other people!

    Webster666 saidPeople who have vicious attack dogs are trying to make up for their low self esteem.


    And maybe that's the case with these irresponsible pet owners, but in mine and my family's case, we saw a helpless puppy who was going to be killed in just a few days. Many people probably took a look at him and decided not to take him. He needed a good home. We live in the boondocks and have space for our dogs to be out. Dogs are a wild animal, not a toy or a tool. This dog is very old now, and we expect him to die anytime. He's lived a long 12 years but if we hadn't taken him, he would have died as a puppy, or he may have been taken by a very irresponsible person and ended up being a very ferocious dog.
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    Feb 24, 2010 11:11 PM GMT
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    That dog has subwoofers!
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    Feb 24, 2010 11:18 PM GMT

    I heard somewhere that dogs sometimes get jealous when a newborn is introduced and recieves more attention. either way tragic
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    Feb 24, 2010 11:47 PM GMT
    Here in Minnesota an 8 day old baby was killed last week by the family dog. The Siberian Husky attacked the baby in the car seat that was placed on top of their bed. I was surprised it was a Siberian Husky. Very sad.
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    Webster666 saidGee, I wonder why it's ALWAYS a pit bull or a rottweiler that chewed a kid's face off. Couldn't possibly be a naturally vicious breed. Roll my eyes.
    EVERY dog owner claims that his dog is harmless, even as Animal Control is taking their dog away to be exterminated.
    People who have vicious attack dogs are trying to make up for their low self esteem.

    That's akin to saying... gee... I wonder why most crimes are committed by men (81 percent) and the number jumps when it's just violent crime (87 percent). I guess that means all men are violent by nature.

    Not exactly. But by your stats, it means that if there is a violent crime, it is far more likely to have been perpetrated by a man--it doesn't mean 87% of all men WILL commit a violent crime. Same with these dogs. There are plenty of great Pit Bulls and Rottweilers. However, when we see attacks like this, it's more likely that it was caused by one of the stereotypically aggressive breeds.
    I didn't spend much time on a search for stats, but saw this one right away: http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html#Thedogsmostlikelytobite
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    Feb 25, 2010 2:01 AM GMT
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    That dog has subwoofers!

    That was pretty flippin' good! icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 25, 2010 2:22 AM GMT
    One of my friends has a pitbull. It killed a goat once. icon_neutral.gif But again, their fault. The dog wasn't trained AT ALL to interact with other humans. Probably they wanted to raise it as a guard dog. They had to keep it caged whenever people are around because it's so aggressive.

    Their dachshund by contrast tries to lick everybody's face.
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    Feb 25, 2010 2:41 AM GMT
    http://www.ajc.com/news/family-pit-bull-kills-325403.html

    I would have to say, it's not all the dogs fault. I have a pit and he only shows mild aggression to males. He KNOWS, just by body language, who is okay and who is not okay around me or my family. I have raised him since he was four weeks old. He loves cats, we have taught him how to act and how to respond to different situations.

    I love my dog and would not trade him for ANY guy or anything else.