The Democratic Party's deceitful game

  • metta

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    Feb 24, 2010 8:18 PM GMT
    I'm curious to hear what people think of this article:

    The Democratic Party's deceitful game
    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/02/23/democrats/index.html
  • Webster666

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    Feb 24, 2010 8:39 PM GMT
    I don't click on links.
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    Feb 24, 2010 8:41 PM GMT
    Webster666 saidI don't click on links.


    Must be hard to get around the Internet then.
  • tas_515

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    Feb 24, 2010 8:53 PM GMT
    Sad stuff, but rings true. Politics suck.

    I like the idea of a public option. Lately, I have been reconciling myself to the notion that public option isn't likely to happen. Whatever happens, passage of health insurance reform is too important to be derailed by the public option issue.

    This article reinforces my suspicion that insurance industry campaign contributions are at the very root of why we can't have public option. Sad stuff. Rings true. Politics suck.
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    Feb 24, 2010 8:55 PM GMT
    tas_515 saidSad stuff, but rings true. Politics suck.

    I like the idea of a public option. Lately, I have been reconciling myself to the notion that public option isn't likely to happen. Whatever happens, passage of health insurance reform is too important to be derailed by the public option issue.

    This article reinforces my suspicion that insurance industry campaign contributions are at the very root of why we can't have public option. Sad stuff. Rings true. Politics suck.


    I agree. Campaign finance reform, including public financing, is really the issue we need to undertake. Until that becomes the cause celeb of the left, we won't really achieve anything worthwhile or enduring.
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    Feb 24, 2010 9:10 PM GMT
    Poloticians lie. In other news: dog bites man.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 24, 2010 10:47 PM GMT
    It really is frustrating. Policy isn't argued on merits anymore. It's based on how to stay in power. That's why we need singular term limits!!

    But it's funny how Glenn Greenwald slams only Democrats for this tactic when it was just announced today how 13 Republicans who voted the other day to maintain a filibuster on the Jobs bill are now voting in support of it's passage after the cloture vote passed.

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    Feb 24, 2010 10:48 PM GMT
    JASFIT saidPoloticians lie. In other news: dog bites man.



    A whale killed a woman today. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35566392?GT1=43001
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    Feb 24, 2010 10:51 PM GMT
    Sadly it rings true, althought the writer over fantacized about stuff like "villain rotation." The Repubs are just as bad, or worse because they don't even pay lip service to virtue. I assume the insurance industry lobbyists got to all of them one way or the other. A single-pay system was they way to go, public option a mild alternative, but both seem dead.
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    Feb 24, 2010 11:42 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidBut it's funny how Glenn Greenwald slams only Democrats for this tactic when it was just announced today how 13 Republicans who voted the other day to maintain a filibuster on the Jobs bill are now voting in support of it's passage after the cloture vote passed.

    That mirrors my impression of this. This guy could have substituted Republicans for Democrats, and discussed other political issues, to make the same points. Only frankly, I think Republicans do it a lot more often. Plus some of the facts in this article are distortions, but that would take pages to refute point-by-point.
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    Feb 24, 2010 11:59 PM GMT
    Y'know. Everybody always winds up saying "politicians suck" or "politics sucks". Eventually everyone comes to the understanding and agreement that no political party and no politician anything but sucks. The next million whatever march on washington should be nothing more than a million or more people crowding our monuments, the white house, congess, the senate, the pentagon, the lincoln memorial, the jefferson memorial, the washington monument, the smithsonian, all the good neighborhoods of DC and everyone just standing around shouting "you suck" for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours. Bring your flag.
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    Feb 25, 2010 12:15 AM GMT
    McGay saidY'know. Everybody always winds up saying "politicians suck" or "politics sucks". Eventually everyone comes to the understanding and agreement that no political party and no politician anything but sucks. The next million whatever march on washington should be nothing more than a million or more people crowding our monuments, the white house, congess, the senate, the pentagon, the lincoln memorial, the jefferson memorial, the washington monument, the smithsonian, all the good neighborhoods of DC and everyone just standing around shouting "you suck" for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours. Bring your flag.


    Now, that might get my ass to DC, despite my unrelenting disdain for the city.
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    Feb 25, 2010 12:19 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidYup, pretty spot on.

    The solution:

    Vote out all incumbents in November. That will put a scare into all of them.

    You keep using the same transparent argument, to vote everyone out. But we all know you, we know your agenda, and from that alone we can figure out your tactics.

    "Vote everyone out" only hurts Democrats. Republicans will never vote out Republican candidates. And Democrats are the majority incumbents. Republicans have nothing to lose by such an approach, and everything to potentially gain, while Democrats can only lose.

    This is why Republicans are throwing every monkey wrench into government they can, because they unscrupulously realize the unsophisticated political sense of most Americans. If the government is broken, it must be the fault of those in charge. Democrats are in charge, so they are to blame, not Republicans. Throw the bums in charge out.

    And so the Republicans hope to be back in charge, who created all the present problems with obstructionism and filibusters, and the problems inherited from the last Republican Administration and Congress. And here you are as usual, yelling "JUMP! JUMP!" to voters. Ya know, I think your slip is showing, dearie. icon_razz.gif
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    Feb 25, 2010 12:27 AM GMT
    @RedVespa - An astute analysis.
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    Feb 25, 2010 12:38 AM GMT
    Christian73 said@RedVespa - An astute analysis.

    Why, thank you! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Feb 25, 2010 1:02 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa said
    southbeach1500 saidYup, pretty spot on.

    The solution:

    Vote out all incumbents in November. That will put a scare into all of them.

    You keep using the same transparent argument, to vote everyone out. But we all know you, we know your agenda, and from that alone we can figure out your tactics.

    "Vote everyone out" only hurts Democrats. Republicans will never vote out Republican candidates. And Democrats are the majority incumbents. Republicans have nothing to lose by such an approach, and everything to potentially gain, while Democrats can only lose.

    This is why Republicans are throwing every monkey wrench into government they can, because they unscrupulously realize the unsophisticated political sense of most Americans. If the government is broken, it must be the fault of those in charge. Democrats are in charge, so they are to blame, not Republicans. Throw the bums in charge out.

    And so the Republicans hope to be back in charge, who created all the present problems with obstructionism and filibusters, and the problems inherited from the last Republican Administration and Congress. And here you are as usual, yelling "JUMP! JUMP!" to voters. Ya know, I think your slip is showing, dearie. icon_razz.gif


    I agree. Throw them out if they are not doing what they should, but if keep them if they support your issues. Senator Debbie Stabenow of my state is still on board with the public option and is a big supporter of EDNA. Although not up for reelection until 2012, why would I want to throw her out of office?
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    Feb 25, 2010 4:02 AM GMT
    Greenwald has written for years about the corrupt Republican agendas. This column is about the way the party that promised reform was only paying lip service to its constituency, with no intention whatsoever of deviating significantly from the status quo.

    I don't see any reason he should have made the same point about Republicans. They didn't promise to undo Bush's intelligence-gathering methods, to end DADT or to end the Iraq war or close Guantanamo.

    The point is simply that the Democrats are every bit as corrupt as the Republicans, well versed in the exploitation of the electorate's cognitive dissonance, whereby one can maintain two completely contradictory points of view.
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    Feb 25, 2010 4:31 AM GMT
    i think it's true...I mean i don't click on links either so who knows wut da hell that article says icon_twisted.gif BUT....I'm a democrat and I can be evil so...
    OH and majority of yall here are demies too and yall can be evil bitches just like me.....and waaaayyy more.....lolz

    BUT....we also got pure evil bitches on the republican side....SO ...this article only proves conclusively that everyone is just EVIL. ...lolz icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 25, 2010 4:34 AM GMT
    dlrn64 said...2 term limit for House and Senate, just like the Presidency...and no lifelong pension and benefits after you are out of office. Serving the country was never intended to be a job.

    I agree. Opponents to this idea will say you lose experience when you oust long-serving incumbents. But experience at what? Playing games with the system? Perverting it? Being corrupted by lobbyists and big contributors?

    After a while it becomes all about staying in office at all costs, not about serving the people. Yeah, you lose some institutional experience with term limits, but you gain some integrity and honesty. I'll take the latter.
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    Feb 25, 2010 4:35 AM GMT
    The answer if clear.

    We need a small governing body of ultra-progressive atheists who rule with absolute authority, elect its own members, answers to none, and has the full might of a robotic army to enforce its will.

    Obviously Americans can no longer be trusted.

    My logic is undeniable.

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