Republicans -- Not Obama -- More Often on Wrong Side of Public Opinion

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    Feb 25, 2010 8:18 AM GMT
    Republicans -- Not Obama -- More Often on Wrong Side of Public OpinionOne of the more commonplace assertions among pundits on the center-right -- made rather carelessly by Victor Davis Hanson and more thoughtfully by Jay Cost, is that agenda put forward by Obama and the Democrats is overwhelmingly unpopular and that Democrats are simply getting their comeuppance for having pushed such a liberal set of reforms forward. These claims, however, rely on selective evidence, invariably citing policies like health care and the GM bailouts which are indeed unpopular (strongly so, in some cases), while ignoring many other issues on which Obama has been on the right side of public opinion.

    In fact, a more objective and equivocal evaluation of public opinion on more than two dozen specific issues finds that the Republican Congress has far more often been on the wrong side of it.
    Attempting to be as comprehensive as possible, I've identified 25 issues that Obama and the Democrats have made an affirmative effort to push forward since taking office a year ago, and summarized public opinion on each of them. Most of the numbers that I've cited come from PollingReport.com.

    See the full article to see how Obama does compared to Republicans on various issues
  • GQjock

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    Feb 25, 2010 11:07 AM GMT
    Makes you wonder who's making the decisions to SAY to America Dems are unpopular and that America IS a centrist country

    When Actually issue by issue we are very Liberal

    Hmmmmm ..... icon_confused.gif
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    Feb 25, 2010 1:44 PM GMT
    GQjock saidMakes you wonder who's making the decisions to SAY to America Dems are unpopular and that America IS a centrist country

    When Actually issue by issue we are very Liberal

    Hmmmmm ..... icon_confused.gif


    It's that crazy left-wing (corporate-owned) media framing things in favor of the right wing. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 25, 2010 3:13 PM GMT
    Well we know that overall the country is disappointed in congress, but the president himself according to the article has made decisions favored by the people for the most part. I would think if both parties in congress could follow his lead on these things their numbers would improve.

    Of course it also explains why certain members of congress and the senate want to delay and stop anything the president wants (even his appointments) .. because they want him to fail.

    I thought it was interesting though to see the issues spelled out one by one like in the article.
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    Feb 25, 2010 3:59 PM GMT
    One of the things that many people are disappointed in Congress about is


    ................. That they have NOT taken on the Republicans and pushed through the agenda that they want not the other way round

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    Feb 25, 2010 4:06 PM GMT
    Exactly. I think the polls should ask which party people are more disappointed with.

    Only a moron would honestly think congress is getting nothing done because of Dems being in power. The Republicans have said 'no' and every chance they can get, and even on measures they supported up until the day Obama took office.

    Of course it doesn't help that we have asshats like Mr. Nelson voting with the Republicans. Sorry about him, guys.
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    Feb 25, 2010 9:51 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidYeah, it's not the Democrats fault! Blame it all on the Republicans! Down with the Republicans.

    Democrats=Good
    Republicans=Bad

    Blah, blah, blah.


    Yes but we really know
    Democrates=Good
    Republicans =bad. Is nothing more than a false belief system; don't we....... When in doubt balm the republicans.
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    Feb 25, 2010 9:58 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidYeah, it's not the Democrats fault! Blame it all on the Republicans! Down with the Republicans.

    Democrats=Good
    Republicans=Bad

    Blah, blah, blah.


    Have you watched or listened to the health care summit today? It's an excellent example of how the Republicans refuse to engage in a substantive discussion. They blather on about tort reform, fraud and other bullshit that is a) already addressed in the Senate Bill, or b) would have no substantive impact on most Americans. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 25, 2010 10:04 PM GMT
    Get your guns and your boyfriends cuz.... there's some cliche' i can't think of..... icon_confused.gif

    Politics = icon_evil.gif
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    Feb 25, 2010 10:34 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 saidYeah, it's not the Democrats fault! Blame it all on the Republicans! Down with the Republicans.

    Democrats=Good
    Republicans=Bad

    Blah, blah, blah.


    Yes but we really know
    Democrates=Good
    Republicans =bad. Is nothing more than a false belief system; don't we....... When in doubt balm the republicans.
    BALM them? why do they have cold sores? icon_eek.gif
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    Feb 25, 2010 10:35 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidYeah, it's not the Democrats fault! Blame it all on the Republicans! Down with the Republicans.

    Democrats=Good
    Republicans=Bad

    Blah, blah, blah.
    Actually it was not that at all .. it is "Obama good .. congress bad" did you not read the title?
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    Feb 25, 2010 10:55 PM GMT
    GQjock saidOne of the things that many Liberals are disappointed in Congress about is


    ................. That they have NOT taken on the Republicans and pushed through the agenda that they want not the other way round



    Had to make a little correction there. Because its the liberals (far lefters) who are angry that congress hasn't taken on the Republicans, and have been saying some pretty nasty shit about Obama. There are Democrats who are in Obama's way because some of them don't like Obama's, Reed's or Pelosi's agenda. The far lefters are angry at those Democrats as well.

    As for the rest of Americans who are independents and moderates, who out number the liberals. They are pissed with congress because they feel neither party, and especially the Democrats with this health care bill, are listening to them. They are also sick of the back and forth bitching, people being too goddamn political and ideology happy which gets not a goddamn fuckin thing done.

    I personally don't give a crap about either party. I won't ever be excited about any politician from either party unless one gets up, calls out and cleans up the rubbish within their own party before they throw it at the other, and actually does give a damn about the people, and shows it with votes and action... Not big fancy talk, or blasting the other party. Everyone else can continue the boring game trap of Reps VS Dems, which gets us no where except what's going on in Europe particularly Greece.

    I think people need to watch out for those kinds of politicians and support them if you truly do care about this country. Also call out the nut bags in both parties, call em out put em on the spotlight because no politician should associate himself with far left or right nut bags gotta clean it up.





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    Feb 25, 2010 10:57 PM GMT
    Christian73 said
    GQjock saidMakes you wonder who's making the decisions to SAY to America Dems are unpopular and that America IS a centrist country

    When Actually issue by issue we are very Liberal

    Hmmmmm ..... icon_confused.gif


    It's that crazy left-wing (corporate-owned) media framing things in favor of the right wing. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Crazy left-wingers, and Crazy right-wingers both love corporations so long as the corporation is more in line with their agenda, and gives them money. icon_smile.gif
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    Feb 25, 2010 11:00 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Christian73 saidHave you watched or listened to the health care summit today? It's an excellent example of how the Republicans refuse to engage in a substantive discussion. They blather on about tort reform, fraud and other bullshit that is a) already addressed in the Senate Bill, or b) would have no substantive impact on most Americans. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Yeah, but CNN kept going to commercials. Ugh.

    Interesting tidbit:

    In the morning session, Democrats spoke for 116 minutes, Republicans were permitted only 55 minutes. (CNN stats)



    Is the word "permitted" how CNN framed the stats? It's pretty hard to talk about a Republican plan that doesn't really exist, in detail at least. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Feb 25, 2010 11:02 PM GMT
    IHG84 said
    Christian73 said
    GQjock saidMakes you wonder who's making the decisions to SAY to America Dems are unpopular and that America IS a centrist country

    When Actually issue by issue we are very Liberal

    Hmmmmm ..... icon_confused.gif


    It's that crazy left-wing (corporate-owned) media framing things in favor of the right wing. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Crazy left-wingers, and Crazy right-wingers both love corporations so long as the corporation is more in line with their agenda, and gives them money. icon_smile.gif




    They both have their hands in corporate pockets, but when it comes to Democrats, it's those "Far Lefters" who are not happy about that as evident in their grumblings about the lack of a public option in healthcare and the many other Change concessions Obama has disappointed with.

    My point is that in one single thread, you criticize Far Lefters for their vocal disappointment at Obama not delivering change and then you lump then into the same category as Obama and other Democrats who supposedly are in bed with corporations. You present a contradiction...
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 25, 2010 11:03 PM GMT
    It doesn't really matter who you elect into office because both conservative republicans and liberal democrats are owned and controlled by corporate America. So either way, the poor, working class, and the middle class are going to get shafted in the end. This is why I feel it is time to show both the republicans and the democrats the front door come election day. It is time to give the other alternative political parties a chance in office. You never know, we might just like it.
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    Feb 25, 2010 11:06 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    IHG84 said
    Christian73 said
    GQjock saidMakes you wonder who's making the decisions to SAY to America Dems are unpopular and that America IS a centrist country

    When Actually issue by issue we are very Liberal

    Hmmmmm ..... icon_confused.gif


    It's that crazy left-wing (corporate-owned) media framing things in favor of the right wing. icon_rolleyes.gif


    Crazy left-wingers, and Crazy right-wingers both love corporations so long as the corporation is more in line with their agenda, and gives them money. icon_smile.gif




    They both have their hands in corporate pockets, but when it comes to Democrats, it's those Very Liberals who are not happy about that as evident in their grumblings about the lack of a public option in healthcare and the many other Change concessions Obama has disappointed with.


    Oh I know, I say left-wing usually to describe very liberal and right-wing to describe the very right lol. I don't have a problem with anyone on the left or the right, but if you're a left-winger or a right-winger then just leave me alone.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 25, 2010 11:07 PM GMT
    My point is that in one single thread, you criticize Far Lefters for our vocal disappointment at Obama not delivering change and then you lump us into the same category as Obama and other Democrats who supposedly are in bed with corporations. You present a contradiction...
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    Feb 25, 2010 11:10 PM GMT
    roadbikeRob saidIt doesn't really matter who you elect into office because both conservative republicans and liberal democrats are owned and controlled by corporate America.


    And now the Supreme Court has assured that this problem will only get worse.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 25, 2010 11:14 PM GMT
    It's the Blue Dog Democrats (CENTRISTS!! People!!) that take in gobs of corporate donations. Look at Max Baucus from the health insurance industry. No wonder he's been against the public option!! Joe Lieberman, Independent Senator from Connecticut who represents the Insurance Capital of America!!


    Many of you confuse the political spectrum. The further left you go, the less you like corporations!! WTO rioters, Radical Lefties. Greenpeace, Radical Lefties. Get it now?!!
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    Feb 25, 2010 11:18 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidMy point is that in one single thread, you criticize Far Lefters for our vocal disappointment at Obama not delivering change and then you lump us into the same category as Obama and other Democrats who supposedly are in bed with corporations. You present a contradiction...


    I don't know what you're trying to say.

    People on the far left, or far right I don't acknowledge them.. They're idiots, who will never be satisfied, because they love to hate and bitch. Of course the far right are gonna hate Obama, doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. But the far-left have been nasty towards him as well because they feel he isn't delivering all that they want.

    Second I never lumped anyone into any category as far as corporations go... I said both the far left, and far right love corporations.. So long as the corporation is more in line with their agenda and gives them money..


  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 25, 2010 11:20 PM GMT
    Could you name someone on the far left that loves corporations?
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    Feb 25, 2010 11:21 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidIt's the Blue Dog Democrats (CENTRISTS!! People!!) that take in gobs of corporate donations. Look at Max Baucus from the health insurance industry. No wonder he's been against the public option!! Joe Lieberman, Independent Senator from Connecticut who represents the Insurance Capital of America!!


    Many of you confuse the political spectrum. The further left you go, the less you like corporations!! WTO rioters, Radical Lefties. Greenpeace, Radical Lefties. Get it now?!!


    Its not hard to get, and I think many know that.. I don't think all corporations are evil though. Those hung up on the far to any side won't ever complain if that big corporation gives them a shit load of money, and agrees with their views... In other words both are hypocrites.
  • roadbikeRob

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    Feb 25, 2010 11:28 PM GMT
    Oh come on coolarmydude, wake up and smell the coffee for once in your life. The liberal democrats are just as controlled by the wealthy corporate interests as the conservative republicans. It is all a big money game, sell the voting public a wonderful sounding line of shit and get elected and reelected repeatedly and make a shitload of money being a career politician. It takes a ton of money to run for public office and where are they going to get that money, obviously from big monied interests and their powerful lobbyists.
  • coolarmydude

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    Feb 25, 2010 11:30 PM GMT
    I think you're confusing between left/right and far left/right.

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    Far left = Stalin
    Left = Pelosi

    Far right = Cheney
    Right = Boehner.

    I would argue that Obama has been more of a centrist (left of center) while President.