Are perfectly sculpted bodies all steroidededed?

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    Feb 26, 2010 12:06 AM GMT
    I've been told that a few guys I've thought to have perfect bodies have taken steroids to get there, so I'm just wondering if any of you know someone with a perfect 10 body who you know for a fact hasn't taken them. I usually find those bodies to be a source of motivation, but thinking that it can only be achieved with steroids kinda poops me out.
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    Feb 26, 2010 1:12 AM GMT
    I think "perfect" is subjective. But I would have to say yes, it's very possible to achieve a "perfect" body without chemical enhancements. Do I know any personally? I don't know because I don't ask. It's really their business if they juice or not. But sometimes I can tell. The back acne is usually an obvious hint. icon_lol.gif
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    Feb 26, 2010 1:15 AM GMT
    xrichx saidI think "perfect" is subjective.

    A good point. Steroids produce a body that wouldn't seem "perfect" except to those who think bulk is more impressive than proportion.
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    Feb 26, 2010 1:20 AM GMT
    As stated, it all depends on your definition of a "perfect 10" body. If Jay Cutler is your idea of perfect, then the answer is no. If somebody like Ryan Reynolds or your typical Men's Health cover model is "perfect", then absolutely.
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    Feb 26, 2010 2:23 AM GMT

    No, it does not require steroids. In fact, guys who use steroids tend to be less cut and more like your WCF wrestlers.

    One of my ex'es had the body from hell and competed. No steroids, but four hours a day in the gym.
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    Feb 26, 2010 2:47 AM GMT
    Most of the guys that you see on the covers of magazines are taking a list of some, or all, of the following, in addition to training right; having good genes.

    1. AAS.
    2. GH
    3. T3/T4
    4. Diuretic (HCTZ, spirnolactone, Lasix, Diazide)
    5. Some level of cosmetic enhancement.
    6. Stimulants (caffeine, ephedrine, other stuff)

    "Natural" folks often use GH because it's not easy to test for. T3/T4 can be used up to a few days before a shoot. Diuretics won't be tested for unless it's in some collegiate competition. Tested "shows" are rare and far between. There really isn't "natural" anything because even coffee isn't natural. "Natural" events get the guys who use GH and T3, but, they don't have good attendance, so they're generally not picked up by promoters.

    No amount of magic potion will change your genetic foundation. Some folks are born with certain traits, and that's the way it is. Some folks spend years training. Some folks train smarter than other folks. Most lay people don't have the money, dedication, focus, discipline, nor patience to achieve the look you see on a magazine cover.

    If someone has a killer bod, they could well be lying to you because they don't want you lashing out at them. More often than not, that's the case.

    Until 1990, AAS were not controlled. Most stuff was over the counter. They work, despite what some folks might say, and they do some with minimal health risk.

    For anti-aging, HRT is a rapid emerging treatment, showing we can get old gracefully, feel better, maintain higher athletic performance, and look better, all while improving cognition and avoiding diseases of aging. I.e., it's very good medicine.

    For men 25 or over, testosterone therapy can be a very good thing. It remains a treatment of choice for wasting diseases like HIV, because it so markedly improves health.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone

    Because of the low risk of using testosterone, and over 80 years of research indicating they aren't very dangerous, American Endos has petitioned Congress to have testosterone REMOVED from Schedule III. No single federal agency has ever recommended the control of testosterone, and there has never been a death attributed to use, ever. That's contrasted to the 2.5 MILLION who die annually from obesity. Arguably, testosterone is a much better treatment for men over 25 that is life extending, and, life enhancing, liver destroying and muscle destroying statin drugs and lack of exercise. A no brainer, in fact.
  • barriehomeboy

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    Feb 26, 2010 2:51 AM GMT
    I'll tell you how to tell if a muscled guy has gotten that way by steroids.

    Look at their abs.

    Steroids make all of the organs of the body enlarge (brain excluded unfortunately,) not just the muscles. It's hypertophy gone mad.

    Guys who have done steroids to get that big have awesome abs, but their abdomens bulge out like a turtles back, or like a football, because their abdominal organs (liver, kidneys, bowel) have also grown. Like a pregnant woman, but pregnant with steroids.

    Guys who have gotten there naturally have abs that run in a plateau from their sternum to their pubes. When you get down that far, what you do is your business, but I hope you'll get pix, or at least take notes!
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    Feb 26, 2010 2:54 AM GMT
    Actually, organ growth is more symptomatic of GH (not a AAS) than AAS, but doesn't happen very often, even in folks who use AAS for DECADES. Guys get big stomachs from eating hard and bearing heavy loads (squats, dead lifts, lots of abs work). Your "core" develops in relational to those heavier loads. Most folks could never afford the dose levels of GH for it to be a problem, and they'd also have to have the genes for it, as well.

    I'm afraid that's a common myth / misinformation.

    All folks that lift weights, and, in fact, most athletes, have LVH to some degree because their hearts are stronger, with larger stroke velocities and volumes than sedentary folks. Like any organ, your heart gets stronger if used. E.g., Lance Armstong has a stroke volume three times a sedentary person.
  • westdave

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    Feb 26, 2010 3:04 AM GMT
    no....steroids DO NOT make the perfect body...take it from a personal trainer..!!!
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    Feb 26, 2010 3:37 AM GMT
    chuckystud saidMost of the guys that you see on the covers of magazines are taking a list of some, or all, of the following, in addition to training right; having good genes.


    Yeah that's what I figured. Plus magazine covers are all photoshopped.
    The guys I know who have taken steroids have great abs so the organ growth thing has to be a myth, at least in part.
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    Feb 26, 2010 3:59 AM GMT
    I know a lot of people on here are roided.
    And yes I do judge them.

    .........out of jealousy.
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    Feb 26, 2010 4:13 AM GMT
    BronzeChew said
    Yeah that's what I figured. Plus magazine covers are all photoshopped.
    The guys I know who have taken steroids have great abs so the organ growth thing has to be a myth, at least in part.


    When you see a muscle head with what's called "steroid gut", there's a couple things that're actually going on: 1) the guy's got an extra couple of inches from over-developed core muscles and 2) he probably eats like a pig and eats frequently, so his stomach is distended most of the time. If the guy gets above 10% body fat, then his stomach really sticks out. You see it in all meat heads, even I have it.

    As far as GH causing organ hypertrophy, you really gotta be taking a shit load of it. If you're making your kidneys big taking it, you've got waaaaay too much money. You really only see stuff like that happen in people with pituitary gland tumors because there's just no way you can get enough growth hormone in otherwise.
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    Feb 26, 2010 4:13 AM GMT
    I doubt out of 216,000+ profiles on this site, "a lot" of guys are roided....I'm sure it's a very small percentage but regardless, they had to work hard for the physiques they have and there is nothing wrong with that....it's all personal choice. There is no rule that says steroids are a must to have a fit, attractive, healthy body.
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    Feb 26, 2010 5:18 AM GMT
    My idea of 'perfect' is a scrawny runner dude that can kick my ass in some mile repeats. No steroids required.
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    Feb 26, 2010 5:26 AM GMT
    I've been tempted to use 'roids, but then I realize that's like using cheats/glitches in videogames. It takes all the fun and pride out of what you achieve. I'm just going to keep going all natural... well, unless you count Myo-Shock and Protein shakes as steroids lol.
  • victor8

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    Feb 26, 2010 6:54 AM GMT
    Genetics-Genetics-Genetics....having abused steriods in the past....the look is fleeting...and then you just look bloated and moon faced...its a science...and alot of wierd chemicals...even asthma meds to lean down,,,crazy...i thing a good athletic lean body from someone who is in otimum physical fitness looks the best...i strive for that through hard work and a really clean diet..
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    Feb 26, 2010 7:28 AM GMT
    BronzeChew saidI've been told that a few guys I've thought to have perfect bodies have taken steroids to get there, so I'm just wondering if any of you know someone with a perfect 10 body who you know for a fact hasn't taken them. I usually find those bodies to be a source of motivation, but thinking that it can only be achieved with steroids kinda poops me out.


    Yeah, especially if they are misleading about it. That and/or needing to have good genetics. I just don't like it when people show off and then treat others as if they just need to do what they do or what they won't tell you they do REALLY to be like that.

    I don't think anything beyond food sources and perhaps certain kinds of multivitamins should be considered natural just because it creates distorted perceptions of what is actually possible.

    I have to disagree with Chucky on testosterone, it hasn't really been studied well enough.
    http://men.webmd.com/testosterone-replacement-therapy-is-it-right-for-you

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2010494158_malehormones13.html
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    Feb 26, 2010 7:47 AM GMT
    Just because chucky is a roid advocate doesn't mean he knows all about them.

    I have and never will do steroids. I have a few friends at the gym who have perfect bodies, much better than mine, and I know for a fact they do NOT use steroids.

    Most train really hard, have OCD when it comes to eating and they have god given great genetics.
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    Feb 26, 2010 10:32 AM GMT
    JoeB1986 saidI've been tempted to use 'roids, but then I realize that's like using cheats/glitches in videogames. It takes all the fun and pride out of what you achieve. I'm just going to keep going all natural... well, unless you count Myo-Shock and Protein shakes as steroids lol.


    Yeah, even on xbox if you cheat you don't get to keep your microsoft points!
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    Feb 26, 2010 12:46 PM GMT
    Most of the guys I know who have what I consider to be "perfect bodies" did it all with hard work, diet and iron. If they used anything, it was vitamins and/or supplements, not speed or anabolic steroids.

    And as for Chuckles' input..... he is just a typical addict defending his right to use by telling everyone how great juicing is, and talking about about how everyone does it to some degree. Pot smokers and alcoholics do the same.... I know because I have been there, and although I am not there anymore, I still see it every day.
  • Glorfindel

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    Feb 26, 2010 12:59 PM GMT
    Depends on what you're definition of a perfectly sculpted body is. icon_smile.gif

    Personally I think a bodybuilder's body is gross. Schwarzeneggar's body at the height of his training.... nasty. All those straining muscles and veins... no thanks. I consider the slimmer/toned body to be the perfectly sculpted male form (something a la Brad Pitt's body when he was younger though the lucky bastard probably still is that toned). icon_eek.gif
  • fitnfunmich

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    Feb 26, 2010 1:21 PM GMT
    Great question, BronzeChew. You won't find an easy answer because the vast majority of guys who do or more importantly HAVE done some steroids in the past will not admit it. Anyway a few thoughts from my experiences:

    Many of the guys I have known who have "killer bodies" have in fact done steroids. They don't do them continually, but through the years of being friends with some I have eventually learned that they did use steroids. So I would suspect that there is a high likelihood of the perfectly sculpted bodied guys out that whom you admire who have--whether they would ever admit it or not.

    Secondly, since this came up in the thread, there is a huge difference between steroid supplementation for anti-aging purposes (as chuckystud mentioned) versus the doses and cocktails that bodybuilders take. Some of the latter are frankly, well, Frankensteinian.

    In any case, as interesting as it is to wonder about other guys, I caution you not to take it to the next obvious step. Don't compare yourself to them. Just be yourself, and remember that fitness is not about who has the biggest muscles or the most perfectly sculpted body either.
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    Feb 26, 2010 1:44 PM GMT
    Nah...it's entirely dependant on what your definition of perfect is, too many people I know don't even know themselves they just rely on magazines and celebrities to show them what they should look like

    In reality the strech marks, gyno(bitch tits), acne and pock marks, disetended guts, over developed shoulders and traps they come with steroid abuse are really driving away from society's perfection

    That said I'd rather be big and strong than pretty and perfect. Like everyone I know some guys that partake and many that don't and whine at how those that do raise the standards for them

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    Feb 26, 2010 5:01 PM GMT
    MikemikeMike saidJust because chucky is a roid advocate doesn't mean he knows all about them.

    I have and never will do steroids. I have a few friends at the gym who have perfect bodies, much better than mine, and I know for a fact they do NOT use steroids.

    Most train really hard, have OCD when it comes to eating and they have god given great genetics.


    I'm a wellness advocate. The proof is in the pudding. I'm also an advocate of truth. It makes no sense to be take statins, and a handful of other crappy drugs, when, almost always, HRT would be a much better fix, for almost any man over 25. Not only is it about being healthier, but, about having a higher quality of life, as well.

    To get the magazine cover bod, unless you're very young, there's a regimen that's required.

    Different cultures, and sub-cultures, have different constructs of what they consider attractive, as we all know.

    The "fitness" industry, though, lies about a LOT of things. It makes no sense to take garbage from the "health" food store, when you could take something that DOES work. Things are very often different from what they seem. After 35 years in gyms, I'm well-versed in what does, and does not, go on, and what shoot preps are and so on.

    We have lots of double standards from make up, to breast implants, to botox, to toleration of obesity. It is what it is.

    It's estimated by The USDA that fully 1/3 of all Americans will be type 2 diabetic by 2020. That's 1/3!. The most clear and present danger to modern American society today is obesity and all the disease it causes. Type 2 diabetes is 100% preventable. Again, the single most dangerous thing you can do is to be fat. Add smoking to that. and you have a prescription for failure and illness.

    MikeMikeMike is ill-informed, and likes to throw mud. Some are not just ignorant, but, have a hateful streak, too. No matter how hard you train, and even with some genetics, if you do not have sufficient androgen, rest, and calories, you won't make gains with regard to being muscular. It can't, and won't, happen. That's science. That doesn't mean that if you employ science you won't do well; it doesn't mean that anyone is huge is made from a magic potion. It does mean all those things coming together at the same time. If you only eat once a day, and train 3 times a week, and party hardy, chances are you'll look, and feel like, shit, even if you do have some good genes. In my case, I weigh around 210 to 220 pretty much no matter what I do unless I bring my calories up and get real busy to lean out. That's my genetic set point. In high school it was 175. In college it was 200. After college it was 230. Now, it hovers around 205 to 220. You move your set point around with calories and activity.

    If you have small bones, eat like crap, and party nightly, even if you take a gallon of magic potion, you won't make gains. Magic potion allows you to train harder, longer, and recover faster, but does not a lot of good if you're lazy and won't eat.

    Highly trained and experienced athletes. like me, who have 35 years (that's 3.5 decades) training are bound to have a body that's different from all those years under load; the discipline; the focus; the calories; the work ethic. Whether the result is "beauty" or not is all very subjective. In my case, it seems that most folks like it very much, but, of course, there will always be naysayers. I'm o.k. with that. Skinny folks need love, too.

    Can you look great without a magic potion? I'd say so. You can look like the perfect lines of a collegiate gymnast, or collegiate wrestler. If you want the magazine cover look, though, understand, that's about undergoing a process, and having done your work in the gym, and understanding how the human machine works on the day of the shoot.
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    Feb 26, 2010 5:03 PM GMT
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    MikemikeMike saidJust because chucky is a roid advocate doesn't mean he knows all about them.

    I have and never will do steroids. I have a few friends at the gym who have perfect bodies, much better than mine, and I know for a fact they do NOT use steroids.

    Most train really hard, have OCD when it comes to eating and they have god given great genetics.


    I'm a wellness advocate. The proof is in the pudding. I'm also an advocate of truth. It makes no sense to be take statins, and a handful of other crappy drugs, when, almost always, HRT would be a much better fix, for almost any man over 25. Not only it about being healthier, but, about having a higher quality of life, as well.



    No, you're a drug advocate... and the proof is indeed in the pudding 'cause only junkies call it a "fix."
    Idiot.