Obama's Healthcare Summit

  • GQjock

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    Feb 26, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
    I do have my qualms with Obama
    He's certainly not as scrappy as I want him to be
    But he's one kool and collected man
    He ran circles around the republicans today
    It was like he was holding a kindergarten class and the republican comments were as if they were asking about finger painting

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    Feb 26, 2010 8:00 PM GMT
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    southbeach1500 said
    GQjock saidI do have my qualms with Obama
    He's certainly not as scrappy as I want him to be
    But he's one kool and collected man
    He ran circles around the republicans today
    It was like he was holding a kindergarten class and the republican comments were as if they were asking about finger painting

    Not surprisingly, I saw it completely differently.

    Seems like nobody really cared to comment on your post.... (don't worry, it happens to all of us at some point).

    I did want to pass along this other interesting piece of info:

    DEMS SPEAK 233 MINS VS. 114 MINS FOR REPUBLICANS
    By the end of the televised event, Mr. Obama had spoken for 119 minutes - nine minutes more than the 110 minutes consumed by 17 Republicans. The 21 Democratic lawmakers used 114 minutes, giving the president and his supporters a whopping 233 minutes



    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/26/obama-listens-at-health-summit-but-mostly-hears-fr/


    There were two reasons for this BS talking point.

    1. Obama is the fucking PRESIDENT and he gets to talk as much as he wants.

    2. He served as the moderator of the discussion.

    As an aside, if the Republicans had come with actual policy recommendations instead of talking points, maybe they would have had more time to talk. They looked like a bunch of Romper Room kids.

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    Feb 27, 2010 1:43 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidNo..... he wasn't only serving as a moderator.... if he was, he wouldn't have answered any questions and put out any of his opinions. He most defintely was a participant, and a participant on the Democrat's side.

    One thing that I found amusing... though I wasn't able to watch it all the way through (CNN kept breaking for commercials), but it seemed to me that the Democrat's arguments were designed to appeal to emotion (i.e. the dead sister's teeth, and other anecdotes) while the Republicans were focused on cost and regulatory reform (and rightly so).



    You're such a stunning hypocrite. The Democrats were trying to see if any of the Republicans have SOULS. Obviously they do not. And neither do you.

    A friend of mine who has a lifelong illness just had her insurance premium increase by 27%. Her employer does not want to pay the extra money and the insurance company refuses to let her choose a less expensive plan, even though most of her doctors have dropped the insurance.

    Your points about the president are silly and childish, like Boner's worries that the room would be too small and hot.
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    Feb 27, 2010 1:57 AM GMT
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    Christian73 saidYou're such a stunning hypocrite. The Democrats were trying to see if any of the Republicans have SOULS. Obviously they do not. And neither do you.

    A friend of mine who has a lifelong illness just had her insurance premium increase by 27%. Her employer does not want to pay the extra money and the insurance company refuses to let her choose a less expensive plan, even though most of her doctors have dropped the insurance.

    Your points about the president are silly and childish, like Boner's worries that the room would be too small and hot.

    Careful... you're bordering on shrieking.... get a grip.


    And the obligatory claim of hysteria because you have no argument. How were the Republicans not basing their politics on emotions when they tried to intervene in Terry Schiavo's medical decisions?
  • GQjock

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    Feb 27, 2010 11:15 AM GMT
    southbeach1500 saidNo..... he wasn't only serving as a moderator.... if he was, he wouldn't have answered any questions and put out any of his opinions. He most defintely was a participant, and a participant on the Democrat's side.

    One thing that I found amusing... though I wasn't able to watch it all the way through (CNN kept breaking for commercials), but it seemed to me that the Democrat's arguments were designed to appeal to emotion (i.e. the dead sister's teeth, and other anecdotes) while the Republicans were focused on cost and regulatory reform (and rightly so).



    The anecdotes one can come up with are ENDLESS because people are dying and being physically Harmed due to a lack of access to healthcare
    those stories are going to become more and more prevalent

    But you want more about cost ..... like the one where one republican brought out that sad little tale about making up Medical Bank Accounts
    Are You Freaking Kidding Me ??????
    Medical Bank Accounts ...... where one hospital stay in this country can wipe you out
    where the number one cause for bankruptcy in the US is an unforeseen medical problem

    But you needn't worry
    because it's either going to be fixed now ... thru the democrats growing a spine and passing it thru reconciliation or waiting a few years when the entire system collapses under it's own weight
    .... what the republicans don't see is that this game plan doesn't work
    The System is in a death Spiral right now and it's just a matter of time
    ..... Heathcare companies gauging the system>>>>>>>higher premiums
    >>>>>Healthy people say.. I don't need insurance right now It's too expensive >>>>>> cost of doing business goes up because the percentage of sick people goes up in the pool >>>>> higher premiums >>>> More healthy people leave the system

    Houston WE HAVE a PROBLEM

    16% of GDP now ..... wanna make a wager on the amt of GDP in 5?

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    Mar 06, 2010 6:03 AM GMT
    GQjock said
    southbeach1500 saidBut you needn't worry
    because it's either going to be fixed now ... thru the democrats growing a spine and passing it thru reconciliation or waiting a few years when the entire system collapses under it's own weight
    .... what the republicans don't see is that this game plan doesn't work
    The System is in a death Spiral right now and it's just a matter of time
    ..... Heathcare companies gauging the system>>>>>>>higher premiums
    >>>>>Healthy people say.. I don't need insurance right now It's too expensive >>>>>> cost of doing business goes up because the percentage of sick people goes up in the pool >>>>> higher premiums >>>> More healthy people leave the system

    Houston WE HAVE a PROBLEM

    16% of GDP now ..... wanna make a wager on the amt of GDP in 5?



    It still won't work. The reform legislation's mandate to purchase coverage is too weak; there is no strong incentive for healthy people to join the risk pool. Many young healthy people, who are the ones who should ultimately subsidize general premium rates, will prefer to take the relatively lax tax penalty over paying premiums. The spiral still continues.

    This reform needs to start from scratch. Sadly, Obama, Dems, GOPs....actually the whole freakin' political system needs to grow a spine, get some balls, and get a reality check.
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    Mar 06, 2010 12:17 PM GMT
    I think Obama ought to get Congress to pass a bill on GOVERNMENT REFORM and then we will have health care reform. But, oh no, they might not get their spring cruise to the Bahamas then. lol The problem ISN'T heatlh care. That is only a symptom of the problem. The real problem is the government and Obama is just contributing to the problem.