abelian0 saidNo kidding. You would think people hadn't lived through the 80s, or seen what communism did to those poor countries. A Hungarian friend of mine said that the saddest part of communism wasn't all of the people it had murdered, so much as the fact that it robbed the living of their ability to make their own lives work. It destroyed entrepreneurialism and a spirit of self-possession.
Of course leave it to certain people to immediately forget all that capitalism has brought our society the second there's a hiccup. Leave it to the same people to forget the truly epic failures were on the part of SOEs or government entities (Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac/the Fed/financial services regulators who loosened mortgage credit requirements/the unions that made GM wildly incapable of competing/etc.). I hasten to note that GM will repay the US Gov't what was put into it, and then some, now that the burden of union obligations has been lifted. Now GM's workers earn what every other auto worker in the US earns, and some will amazingly decry that as injustice to the UAW!
What a crazy world we live in.
JASFIT saidCan we just switch to communism already?
I'm sure your friend's experience is the only one we need assume speaks for every one's. I'm sure all the actual dead people would disagree with yoru friend were they around to do so.
You also seem to think that anyone here is seriously advocating Soviet-style communism. Ask your friend how great things have been for Russians since Glasnosts and Perestroika - you know, when the oil guys formed a mob of millionaires and raped the country? Very similar to what's been happening here legally since the Reagan era.
Fannie and Freddie were allowed to become what they did under an ostensibly free market guy, George Bush. They failed, under George Bush. Just like FEMA, the military, the EPA and everything else. If your philosophy is that gov't doesn't work then by "george" you'll manage to see that philosophy come to fruition.
As for your other right-wing anti-union claptrap, it's all bullshit talking points. The real reason why GM, Chrysler and other American auto companies cannot compete is that a) they continued to make an undesirable product line that could not compete in the global market and that once oil prices were inflated could not be afforded by most Americans, and b) they were competing with companies headquartered in countries that have a robust social welfare system, including single payer health care and retirement benefits.
What happened with the unionized workers at GM is an injustice! The foreign auto companies base their facotires in "right to (not) work" states so they don't have to deal with unions, or, God forbid a living wage. Those unions bargained for those benefits in good faith and, in many cases, did so while giving up raises and other monetary benefits. You need to ask yourself why you think Americans don't deserve the same quality of life as Japanese or Korean workers.