Gotta love them "Strict" constructionist CONservative$

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    Jan 18, 2008 3:33 PM GMT
    Mike Huckabee: "But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that's what we need to do, is to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other, and how we treat their families."

    How can they say they believe in upholding the constitution and not changing it, to then go onto the next sentence and say we need a constitutional amending banning gay marriage, flag burning, keep god in the pledge or whatevers, lol. damn hypocrites.
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    Jan 18, 2008 8:33 PM GMT
    LOL !!! Well said Trance23 !!! DAMN IT !!! give to the "RIGHT" church or we'll all burn in hell, all these problems on this earth are because of secularism, and gays being accepted more and more !!! Give to the "RIGHT" church so we can bring our nation back in line with "GODS LAW" (according to who??? the CHRISTIAN RIGHT OF COURSE) Joking aside hippie4lyfe, I'm glad you started this forum, I had no idea Huck was this far out to say something like this. This is really dangerous thinking, not just for gays but for any religeon that thinks different from the "SOUTHERN BAPTISTS !!! they seem to be the most hell bent on forcing their version of "GODS LAW" on everyone else. Thanks for posting this !!!
  • cowboyupnorth

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    Jan 18, 2008 8:39 PM GMT
    realifedad it is funny you say "the "SOUTHERN BAPTISTS !!! they seem to be the most hell bent on forcing their version" Is not that exactly what hoppie4lyfe does with all his PETA post? Same book different cover. Be very afraid.....

    talk about "damn hypocrites" this post is funny coming from the author.
  • jarhead5536

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    Jan 18, 2008 9:06 PM GMT
    cowboy,

    Not quite the same. Someone pushing an intellectual/philosophical position is doing so out of a sense of rationality or reason. Not that that makes it any easier to hear, or that it makes the messenger any less obnoxious.

    Religious whacko nutjobs are doing the Lord's work, so there is no back and forth, no discussion, no compromise, no surrender, EVER. Somewhat different, and if you've never seen it firsthand, a terrifying experience.
  • cowboyupnorth

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    Jan 18, 2008 9:25 PM GMT
    I was raised southern baptist and I attend a full gospel non denominational church now. They are pro life,(Which I am not) and I must admit still need to grow in their understanding of homosexuality. I also live in a republican community, in fact only republicans are on our local tickets. However I feel less judged and less condemned by my bible thumping, republican friends then I do PETA post on this forum.

    When I go to church they do not put up posters of the most extreme sexually active, effeminate, and most socially unacceptable acts to call to action members of our church, or to shame me into changing my behavior. That is what happened on this forum

    I am 100% out at my church, I regularly visit my paster, hang out with his daughter and her children etc. They have always reminded me that my sexuality has no bearing on my admittance into heaven. They do feels it is a sin but admit that we all sin and they do not call attention or judge my behavior any different then the other members of the church who may engage in premarital sex, porn, lust, etc.

    So I can tolerate religious differences and I respect vegetarians but I despise people who cram their beliefs down your throat and cry that someone is doing the same to them. Whats the saying "Those is glass houses are well advised not to throw stones."

    Just for the record I truly hate Huckabee, I received calls from his camp almost daily here in MI. I never yelled so much at a recording. He would not be good for our community in my opinion. I do like his tax plan however.
  • jarhead5536

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    Jan 18, 2008 9:28 PM GMT
    Whoa,

    not slamming Christianity in general. Devout, practicing Episcopalian here, but also recovering Southern Baptist. There is a big difference between fundies and the rest of us, it's usually too much effort to make the delineation here. Lots of anti-Christian sentiment in these parts, ya know...
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    Jan 18, 2008 9:30 PM GMT
    And you're absolutely right about PETA. I used to live in Norfolk where they are based, and those people are just a few pipe bombs away from terrorists in my view. They really think they are saving every animal in the world by throwing blood on people in the streets...
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    Jan 18, 2008 10:19 PM GMT
    This is not a post about PETA, if you would like to talk about PETA i'd be glad to do so on another thread. This thread is about Mike Huckabee and his scariness.
  • jarhead5536

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    Jan 18, 2008 10:34 PM GMT
    Fair enough, I was just adding something to my comment to cowboy.

    I have to say that I have been shocked by the sheer numbers of Republicans on this site. In all my experience as a gay man, it never occured to me that so many of our tribe would subscribe to such a mindset that is clearly not in our own best interests. To disclose fully, I was once a Log Cabin Republican, because I grew up in a Republican household and thought that that's where I belonged. Interesting bunch of guys, let me say.

    After leaving that behind and embracing my Democrat-ness, I came to assume that any gay person with a whiff of self-respect or awareness of the platform of the Republican party would not go anywhere near that group. Indeed, the overwhelming majority of Democrats believe that the GLBT community is near monolithic in its support of the Dem party, sort of like African Americans are. After reading posts here on RJ, I have found that I could not be more wrong. Seeing some of the right wing, um, opinion and commentary (how was that?) here would knock the socks off the folks over at DailyKos...

    Mike Huckabee does have some support here, and I cannot for the life of me explain why, he just does. There are guys here that are just that conservative that they don't care how much he hates them.
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    Jan 18, 2008 10:47 PM GMT
    Jarhead.

    There are some Log Cabin types here, though I imagine it mirrors the national numbers...Bush had the support of 25% of gays in both elections, and that's probably the same number you see on here.

    Cowboy---

    When did Ann Arbor get so Republican? Do you live in Ypsilanti?
  • jarhead5536

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    Jan 18, 2008 10:54 PM GMT
    jprichva,

    LCR would be too centrist for some guys here. I here echoes of Pat Buchanan at worst a lot on this site. You know, gun-totin', warmongering, guvmint is the source of all evil and comes from the heart of Hell itself, watch out for the black helicopters coming to take your land away sort of attitudes that are frankly shocking.

    The LCR types I am familiar with are country club Republicans, fiscal conservatives yet social moderates.
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    Jan 18, 2008 10:57 PM GMT
    Jarhead--

    I know, I've heard them too, but I still think they seem larger as a group than they are, because what they say is so noticeably weird. Anyway, even Pat Buchanan doesn't sound nearly as much like Pat Buchanan anymore, either....there was a time when we would defend all GOPers in the usual knee-jerk way, but...uh, not anymore....he's seething about Bush.
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    Jan 18, 2008 11:01 PM GMT
    Strict Constructionists are not, in my view, the problem... While strict constructionists may tell us things we don't like about the laws we have, we have the option of CHANGING the laws.

    When the other camp interprets the law, we might or might not hear what we want to hear, depending upon political and social expediency. And while we might work to get a law changed, there's no guarantee that the new law might not be unfavorably interpreted.

    It seems to me that at least with strict constructionists the legislative power rests where we have some small measure of control - in the congress, rather than in the courts.

    Huckabee's strategy, while personally onerous, is no more or less than our own - to change the laws to his liking just as we would change them to ours.

    Is there a difference in hypocrisy when one camp spouts "love" and preaches "hate", and the other just wants to be allowed to live like anyone else? Yes, in my view, there is. But that has nothing to do with constructionism.

    J.
  • cowboyupnorth

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    Jan 18, 2008 11:02 PM GMT
    jprichva saidJarhead.


    Cowboy---

    When did Ann Arbor get so Republican? Do you live in Ypsilanti?


    The great republic of Ann Arbor is still very liberal and mostly democratic. I work in Ann Arbor and do all my shopping, doctors appointments, living etc there. I reside 23 miles west, I have 100 acre farm and 89 horses so I could not afford that in Washtenaw county. I wish I did live there but most likely would have sold and moved west anyway.

    hippie4lyfe as far as this post not being about PETA I am sorry you have made yourself inseparable from that topic. Your the one who mentioned hypocrites, again you and huckabee are the same book different cover. I am sure your both well intentioned and probably nice enough people but....