Promoting Masculinity in Homosexuality.

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    Mar 04, 2010 2:10 AM GMT
    Tomorrow I'm meeting with a TV Network in Sydney, Australia, to discuss the development a new Lifestyle-type show that promotes a more masculine side of gay men.

    It's looking like I'll be the Host/Presenter of the show, but I feel it will need a Co-Host, and a small team of Presenters to make it more successful.

    Currently, I only have a few ideas to discuss with them, and was wondering if anyone on here had a few more suggestions to make the show more appealing to both gay and straight viewers.

    What would keep you watching week after week..?
    Thanks to Everyone who helps me with this!

    Simon
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    Mar 04, 2010 2:18 AM GMT
    Presenting saidTomorrow I'm meeting with a TV Network in Sydney, Australia, to discuss the development a new Lifestyle-type show that promotes a more masculine side of gay men.

    It's looking like I'll be the Host/Presenter of the show, but I feel it will need a Co-Host, and a small team of Presenters to make it more successful.

    Currently, I only have a few ideas to discuss with them, and was wondering if anyone on here had a few more suggestions to make the show more appealing to both gay and straight viewers.

    What would keep you watching week after week..?
    Thanks to Everyone who helps me with this!

    Simon


    Anything that does not promote divisiveness between gay men as your show is certain to do. Gladly we probably won't get it here in the US. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 04, 2010 2:20 AM GMT
    Sequins and glitter
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    Mar 04, 2010 2:22 AM GMT
    Trying to show the masculine side of gay men without making it seem contrived is going to be a challenge.

    I don't have any good suggestions for you, other than the usual topics.. food, fashion, cars, technology, DIY, fitness, sports, etc.
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    Mar 04, 2010 2:24 AM GMT
    I think this is an excellent idea. You know why? Because current television only shows ONE side. It is not about the discrimination of more effeminate programming, it's about balancing it out with something on the other side.
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    Mar 04, 2010 2:29 AM GMT
    It would be interesting to see gay sports teams and clubs.
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    Mar 04, 2010 2:31 AM GMT
    "promoting" a more masculine lifestyle?
    how the heck do you do that?
    It could amount to nothing but role playing which is farcical.

    Being gay is about embracing the entire community , no matter their mannerisms, tastes, activities . You don't need to like it all, but need to accept it and not poopoo the ones who are different.

    Or maybe i'm just not understanding properly this program's concept.
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    Mar 04, 2010 2:34 AM GMT
    Why do you people have such a hard time understanding what he means by masculine? He is basically looking for non RUPAUL DRAG RACE content. Geez.
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    Mar 04, 2010 2:48 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidWhy do you people have such a hard time understanding what he means by masculine? He is basically looking for non RUPAUL DRAG RACE content. Geez.


    welcome to non masculinity . .. :p
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    Mar 04, 2010 2:49 AM GMT
    xassantex said"promoting" a more masculine lifestyle?
    how the heck do you do that?
    It could amount to nothing but role playing which is farcical.

    Being gay is about embracing the entire community , no matter their mannerisms, tastes, activities . You don't need to like it all, but need to accept it and not poopoo the ones who are different.

    Or maybe i'm just not understanding properly this program's concept.


    it seems to me that the program is about showing facets of the gay community that aren't often a focus
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    Mar 04, 2010 2:57 AM GMT
    Hey Presenting, Welcome to Realjock. Woo-hoo did you step squarely into the cake, eh?

    Well, not to worry because as long as you keep it real it will be OK. This means that your show will have to just demonstrate the full spectrum of personalities and their traits.

    I agree with wrestlervic that to a certain extent, the more feminine characterizations of gay men have been excessively overplayed in the media, likely due to the fact that they are the targets of persecution far more than their less obvious counterparts, and by doing this it's hoped, I think, that such prejudices will evaporate with education. The same kind of hearts beat in all our chests; the same yearnings for love and acceptance, the same hurts of rejection.

    What would probably vault your show into the stratosphere are the displays of open friendship and companionship between the two extremes, along with a lot of the in-betweens - which are most of us; men with a flair, lol! Now THAT'S real.

    -Doug and Bill of meninlove
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    Mar 04, 2010 3:06 AM GMT
    I just feel there's more to gay culture than "sequins and glitter". icon_smile.gif
    Many gay men struggle with this identity representing their sexuality.
    I love that people love to wave the rainbow flag high and proud, but understand that it just isn't for All gay men.

    Masculinity is a side of us that is barely represented in popular culture.
    The world already loves drag queens, and we see effeminate men portrayed on tv quite regularly (think Queer Eye for the Straight Guy, Will & Grace, and several others...). But realisticaly, this is only a Very small part of the diversity of gay culture.

    I want to share with others, that not all gay men are like this, and hopefuly open some minds to understand that it's ok to be gay - we're just like you.

    Of course the purpose of the show is not to alienate other gay groups, nor discriminate. This would be ridiculous!

    I do appreciate all of your comments.

    Thank you.
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    Mar 04, 2010 3:08 AM GMT
    Thanks to Doug & Bill, of MenInLove.
    That was a brilliant post! icon_biggrin.gif
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    Mar 04, 2010 3:28 AM GMT
    Timberoo saidIt would be interesting to see gay sports teams and clubs.

    Excellent idea, and one which seems to often be overlooked even in the gay media.

    For example, the week before and after Gay Games Chicago (of which the paper was a sponsor), the local gay weekly ran a human interest story about 2 participants. Nothing wrong with that, but essentially that was the only coverage of the Gay Games. Very little, if anything, about the different teams and individuals participating. No reporting of results or even mentioning of medals won, etc.

    Needless to say, there is no sports section in the paper and very rare coverage of local LGBT sports events. At one point some 3 years ago they sent a reporter to talk to our gay football team during a practice, but no story followed. When I was interviewed 2 years ago, I made sure to stress the camaraderie and that getting involved in gay athletics is good for our mental health (as well as physical health).while avoiding emphasis on the sport per se (that got published).

    As others have mentioned, there is a non-stop broadcasting of just about everything else gay, from Project Runway to various sitcoms, from AIDS benefits to arts and music. So why not sports, and why such resentment even amongst RJers...?

    Nor does it have to be limited to sports. Australia allows gays in the military, right? Show some of them. You won't see it on Bravo, but there are gay construction workers and firemen. How about featuring some gay dads (that's "masculine", no?) and just everyday people from the guy working at the pet store (handling snakes and spiders) to the ambulance paramedic saving lives?
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    Mar 04, 2010 3:44 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidWhy do you people have such a hard time understanding what he means by masculine? He is basically looking for non RUPAUL DRAG RACE content. Geez.



    +1, why do some gays have a problem when the term masculinity is brought up.

    Look the whole media, tv, print, and movies is all about the feminine gay and the stereotypical gay traits. God forbid there be a show that shows a slightly different side to things.
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    Mar 04, 2010 3:52 AM GMT
    Presenting said...promotes a more masculine side of gay men......

    I dont know what that means.

    No fashion? I always wished that What Not To Wear did more men. I would be interested in seeing how to dress better, esp as I get older.

    Cars? Are cars masculine? That would bore me shitless.

    Power tools? I am into woodworking so I would enjoy that.

    Professional sports? Unless you have some particular gay slant, there are plenty of sport shows on.

    Sport activities? ...like rock climbing, etc that need some explanation to someone who wants to get into it

    Gay Sport Clubs.... that would be good to hear about

    Gay-friendly trips? That would be of interest.

    Is Gardening masculine enough?

    Fitness would be great. Esp. demos of new equipment, like the TRX straps, etc

    Nutrition.

    Gay news...not just gay issues, but news that may have an impact or special to gays ,,,, does that make sense ... oh cool interviews like on The Daily Show ... nailing people in the news in general

    first time house buying...esp for gays....do gays have different house/neighborhood requirements/tolerances? ...single income? ....double income but not legally married?

    Harry Homeowner Info....electrical, plumbing, painting, general maintenance





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    Mar 04, 2010 4:58 AM GMT
    Growing up, without internet, I had no idea that it was possible to be both "masculine" and gay since the only available role models at the time were "effeminate" - even The Village People came across as ironic, obviously "effeminate" men posturing as "masculine." Had there been more fair and balanced representation of gays in popular culture at the time I (and perhaps an entire generation) would have identified as gay and embraced the entire LGBT community far sooner. Personally, I find the outcry against categorizing more divisive than the act itself. What ever happened to celebrating our differences? Even in our contemporary wired world I see nothing wrong with the OP's concept.
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    Mar 04, 2010 5:09 AM GMT
    Obviously the show will need a tranny sidekick that will often remark "Whatchu talkin'bout Simon?"
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    Mar 04, 2010 5:15 AM GMT
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    wrestlervic saidWhy do you people have such a hard time understanding what he means by masculine? He is basically looking for non RUPAUL DRAG RACE content. Geez.



    +1, why do some gays have a problem when the term masculinity is brought up.

    Look the whole media, tv, print, and movies is all about the feminine gay and the stereotypical gay traits. God forbid there be a show that shows a slightly different side to things.


    i neither like nor dislike the term, anymore than fem .
    but i have a thing about polarizing them like they become some ideology .

    Am i masculine ? you can judge if you ever meet me. But i don't give a shit really.
    (i don't mean about meeting any of you, that would be pretty cool, but about looking masculine )

    I'm pretty much with Caslon here.
    the program will go on, showcasing guys looking all jock like.
    And then we will have it, at some point, the bitchy comment about more feminine guys. And then you will have it , the polarization.
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    Mar 04, 2010 5:16 AM GMT
    Go to a gay dating site and invite all who have listed "straight-acting" and only interested in "masculine" men to participate in a cocktail party where they will be asked to evaluate who is gay and who is straight.

    I'll be there. LOL
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    Mar 04, 2010 5:19 AM GMT
    Presenting saidTomorrow I'm meeting with a TV Network in Sydney, Australia, to discuss the development a new Lifestyle-type show that promotes a more masculine side of gay men.

    It's looking like I'll be the Host/Presenter of the show, but I feel it will need a Co-Host, and a small team of Presenters to make it more successful.

    Currently, I only have a few ideas to discuss with them, and was wondering if anyone on here had a few more suggestions to make the show more appealing to both gay and straight viewers.

    What would keep you watching week after week..?
    Thanks to Everyone who helps me with this!

    Simon


    Very cool and I am all for it. I think most gay men want to adhere to a more masculine attitude and behavior. I think many of the current behaviors are what stem from a cretin thought process. Like a cute guy wanting to dress as drag.

    Can you be a masculine guy and still be a drag queen? I am not sure. They are funny and I do like to see a show.

    I also think that a more feminine man has some chemical imbalances. Such as the harmful additive of SOY in products. I think there are other things that the media promotes along with other mind control substances and additives like of all things fluoride.

    What's a take to be a masculine man? The conscious effort to make who you are as manly as you can be. Work on your attitude and behavior and even go to the point to think out loud...I AM A MAN AND I AM PROUD OF IT!

    It works


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    Mar 04, 2010 5:21 AM GMT
    Been done already:

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    ObsceneWish, Jprichva, and UrsaMajor will know this, but FYI for others, this is a rare case of me posting something completely serious with no hint of sarcasm whatsoever. People still don't understand the statement the Village People were making. Anything that follows them on the "gay masculinity" front is just kindergarten. I suggest your first show be a double feature on the Village People to start you off properly.
  • njmoto

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    Mar 04, 2010 5:33 AM GMT
    It seems that exploitation of stereotypes just makes good TV, and because of that, we have gay men predominantly featured on the tube with glitz, glitter and a pretty effeminate slant. It just gets a bit more attention than other gay guys I guess, and it seems the straights can deal with it better when they have a real clear picture of who the gays are on the TV (based on their sterotypes).

    That said, it's great that there is an effort to show other sides of the gay community, and too bad there's so much condemnation to guys who are proud of being gay and masculine, and hosting a show that talks about it. I have friends that do drag, but it's not me, I don't get it, but it's who they are and I'm cool with that. They love RuPauls Drag Race, I can't stand it, but that doesn't make me hateful to them, just different. I don't expect them to ride with my gay motorcycle group, and they don't get me doing that, but they respect it.

    It's pretty hard for some young gay men to accept who they are when they don't fit into a sterotype, and masculine young gay men need something to identify with too. A show like this would be a great way to show a side of the gay community that is often overlooked on TV, and the media in general. I would have loved a show like that when I was growing up/coming of age - I played football, rode motorcycles, worked on a ranch, and had a bitch of a time finding where I fit into the gay community when I first came out. I'm sure I wasn't alone in that.

    There are a lot of gay sports teams from hockey to rugby, gay motorcycle groups across the US and around the world (not leather groups, but real motorcycle riding groups), great gay adventure vacations from Out West travel, you can even do a gay cattle drive. I have a gay friend heading out to hike the entire apalachian trail the beginning of April. I'm not sure if these qualify as masculine topics or adventure topics, but they might be the type of ideas presenter was shooting for.
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    Mar 04, 2010 5:33 AM GMT
    wrestlervic saidWhy do you people have such a hard time understanding what he means by masculine? He is basically looking for non RUPAUL DRAG RACE content. Geez.


    I think perhaps the OP didn't realize he was using hot button words to describe the show. I agree, it would be great to see a show featuring masculine gay guys... but it's probably best to not calling it the promotion of masculinity in the gay community.
  • kietkat

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    Mar 04, 2010 5:45 AM GMT
    Everytime I hear the term masculinity, a big icon_question.gif comes to mind....

    Perhaps instead of focusing on "gay masculinity", it would be nice to see a variety of gay people with careers/interests not shown nearly as enough in the media.