Bad Roommate

  • CarbGoggles

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    Mar 04, 2010 6:04 AM GMT
    I have a 4 bed 2.5 bath 2024 sq ft 6 yo house in NW Las Vegas. This house was foreclosed in 08 and I bought it in 09 for 139.9k. I have a roommate who has been living w/ me for the last 4 months. Every month rent has been an issue for John. Essentially if I don't bug him for the rent then he won't even consider writing me a check. Rent was a flat $500 a month. Now that our second roommate Kim moved out his rent is going back up to $700/ mo. Since there is only 2 people in the house I have the master bedroom and he has the other 3, his own bathroom, and guaranteed parking in the garage. Before he had to share the bathroom w/ Kim and parking was first come first serve.

    It infuriates me that I have to even ask for the rent. Dude makes 60k a year and has basically no debt. His busted ass car is paid off. His dad gets free cell phone service from his company so John's dad hooked him up. He doesn't have a credit card...

    John (26), Kim (21) and I (30) all work together. People at work who knew John longer than I have all told me don't do it. John is the raging definition of computer nerd. He loves Warhammer, D&D, pretty much anything to do w/ miniatures. People at work all pick on him. He put on 60+ lbs of fat in 2009 resulting in his gf dumping him. The dude is a huge mess. I wanted to see if I could help him. It was working for about 2 weeks but then he realized hanging with his loser unemployed friends was more important than going to the gym.

    His March rent was due on the first and as usual he is late. I've warned him that if I were a corporate apartment I would have slammed his ass w/ late fees. He verbalizes his concerns but his behavior tells me he is full of shit.

    I decided today that if he doesn't cut me a check by the time I come home from work on Friday (5 Mar) then I'm kicking him out. I have no intention of giving him a heads up either. I love the dude like a brother but he needs to understand there are serious consequences for irresponsible behavior. I truly hope he fails to pay his rent by Friday. I think a kick in the ass is exactly what he needs. I just hope I'm right.
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    Mar 04, 2010 6:14 AM GMT
    If you didnt have him sign a lease and he is slightly intelligent, it may not be as simple as that. You should check your states tenant/landlord rules.
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    Mar 04, 2010 6:47 AM GMT
    You should try living with a cat for a roommate! ... icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 04, 2010 1:09 PM GMT
    I was in the same situation. You should have listen to his co-workers
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    Mar 04, 2010 1:18 PM GMT
    Who besides me thought the topic was about a parody of "Bad Romance"?icon_redface.gif
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    Mar 04, 2010 1:34 PM GMT
    I just moved from Vegas and sorry to hear about the issues, dump him FAST....You can't change people
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    Mar 04, 2010 2:28 PM GMT
    Actually there are tenant rights which may protect him in NV, so I would look into that first. Secondly, I agree with the above - It doesnt sound like you've actually sat him down and explained your problem, so now you are kicking him out? Thats really lame.

    Lastly, it sounds like the rent is not the only problem you have with him - You dislike his lifestyle and wish he was more motivated. But you know what? Hes not you. And keep in mind that once you get rid of him, the next roomie you have could actually be ten times worse, believe me! So before you throw out a financially stable roommate who you think is lazy just because he doesnt live your lifestyle - Talk to him.
  • jonwaltglat

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    Mar 04, 2010 2:29 PM GMT
    Lol! I thought that the title of this topic was "Bad Romance." icon_lol.gif

    I do agree though that I think you really just need to take a professional approach and just sit down and talk to him about it. It really does sound like it's something you're venting about, but have really done nothing to help with.
  • calibro

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    Mar 04, 2010 3:13 PM GMT
    Actually, i think you legally cannot kick him out for that. Most states (don't know about Neveda) require you to present the tenant with notice and adequate amount of time to make amends, unless the violation is in clear breaking of the lease. Typically, a lease will have written a penalty for rent received late. I suggest you talk to him and bring this to his attention.
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    Mar 04, 2010 3:21 PM GMT
    CarbGoggles saidI have a 4 bed 2.5 bath 2024 sq ft 6 yo house in NW Las Vegas. This house was foreclosed in 08 and I bought it in 09 for 139.9k. I have a roommate who has been living w/ me for the last 4 months. Every month rent has been an issue for John. Essentially if I don't bug him for the rent then he won't even consider writing me a check. Rent was a flat $500 a month. Now that our second roommate Kim moved out his rent is going back up to $700/ mo. Since there is only 2 people in the house I have the master bedroom and he has the other 3, his own bathroom, and guaranteed parking in the garage. Before he had to share the bathroom w/ Kim and parking was first come first serve.

    It infuriates me that I have to even ask for the rent. Dude makes 60k a year and has basically no debt. His busted ass car is paid off. His dad gets free cell phone service from his company so John's dad hooked him up. He doesn't have a credit card...

    John (26), Kim (21) and I (30) all work together. People at work who knew John longer than I have all told me don't do it. John is the raging definition of computer nerd. He loves Warhammer, D&D, pretty much anything to do w/ miniatures. People at work all pick on him. He put on 60+ lbs of fat in 2009 resulting in his gf dumping him. The dude is a huge mess. I wanted to see if I could help him. It was working for about 2 weeks but then he realized hanging with his loser unemployed friends was more important than going to the gym.

    His March rent was due on the first and as usual he is late. I've warned him that if I were a corporate apartment I would have slammed his ass w/ late fees. He verbalizes his concerns but his behavior tells me he is full of shit.

    I decided today that if he doesn't cut me a check by the time I come home from work on Friday (5 Mar) then I'm kicking him out. I have no intention of giving him a heads up either. I love the dude like a brother but he needs to understand there are serious consequences for irresponsible behavior. I truly hope he fails to pay his rent by Friday. I think a kick in the ass is exactly what he needs. I just hope I'm right.


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    Mar 04, 2010 3:27 PM GMT
    CarbGoggles said
    I decided today that if he doesn't cut me a check by the time I come home from work on Friday (5 Mar) then I'm kicking him out. I have no intention of giving him a heads up either. I love the dude like a brother but he needs to understand there are serious consequences for irresponsible behavior. I truly hope he fails to pay his rent by Friday. I think a kick in the ass is exactly what he needs. I just hope I'm right.

    I support you right up to this. This is a juvenile revenge tactic to make yourself feel better about the situation. While bemoaning his childishness you threaten an action just as childish in retaliation. Especially if you "love the dude like a brother," this isn't a very loving nor a brotherly action.
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    Mar 04, 2010 3:32 PM GMT
    Do you have a lease? The fact that you talk about random changes in rent and so forth suggest you're not exactly the model of responsibility. You must appreciate that in virtually no state can you "kick him out" with no notice.

    Calm thoughts, and a knowledge of the law, are your friends here.
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    Mar 04, 2010 3:33 PM GMT
    Like you, I have a roommate. Fortunately, I've never had a problem with his paying the rent on time and we've been roommates over two years now. (He's just a total slob.)
    I don't think you stated this so forgive me for overlooking if you did, but did the two of you enter into a contract whereby the two of you signed some legal document detailing the living situation? If everything was done verbally with 'general understandings' then I don't think you're obligated to give him any kind of notice. It wouldn't be the coolest thing to do. I would sit him down, tell him that the check is due tomorrow and that this is his final warning. That way, you at least get another rent check from him and he knows that if he screws up again, he's out April 1.
    If you signed a tenants agreement, then you have the law on your side and can sue him for nonpayment. You could still kick him out but I would give him a week. This puts you on the higher ground morally.
    As for the secondary issues (i.e. the 60+ pound weight gain, computer/game nerd, nobody likes him, etc), those are NOT reasons to not have him as a roommate. You are angry and frustrated which is fine. These additional reasons do nothing more than add unnecessary fuel to a fire about nonpayment of rent.
    Good luck!
  • darryaz

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    Mar 04, 2010 3:39 PM GMT
    I kicked a roommate out once because he was MONTHS behind in paying the rent. I think you are over-reacting.
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    Mar 04, 2010 3:43 PM GMT
    I truly feel sorry for you because I went through the same experience last Sept. through this January with a roommate who would not pay on time, smoked (outside) even though the signed agreement was that he was a NON-smoker, brought his skanky girlfriend over, snorted flem in his mouth (you know that big wad sound) every 30 seconds, and verbally threatened me when I gave him his 30-day notice. He actually paid me half rent on rent due date on the second month so that he could have the other half just in case he needed it when he took his skank on a trip to Florida. What??!!

    But guess what, under law I could not kick him out. For many states the first thing you have to do is issue a 5-day Pay or Leave Notice to them, which you have a Sheriff serve. You can start this one day after the rent due date. If they do not pay after that, you issue the Unlawful Detainer notice which will set a court date to get your rent or get him out if he still does not pay. I would go to your local Sheriff department and fill out the 5-Day notice and pay the $12 or whatever to have it put on your door. That's what finally got my dickhead to leave.

    Good luck!
  • WILDCARD73

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    Mar 04, 2010 3:44 PM GMT
    Caslon13000 saidYou should try living with a cat for a roommate! ... icon_rolleyes.gif



    yes
    they try to assasinate you everytime you go up or down stairs
    trip you near burning, or sharp objects
  • kietkat

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    Mar 04, 2010 3:46 PM GMT
    The guy is a grown man, I'm sure he can find himself another suitable place of residence icon_cool.gif.
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    Mar 04, 2010 7:55 PM GMT
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    Mar 04, 2010 8:07 PM GMT
    It actually doesn't have to be all that complicated. Fact is, it's a business proposition for you.

    Tell him that you're no longer going to remind him about his rent, it's due no later than, say, the 7th of every month. Tell him you are going to document his payments and after the third time that he's late, you will give him 30 days notice to vacate. Put it in writing. If you give him warning in writing and keep documentation of his payments, you have all you need to evict him.

  • CarbGoggles

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    Mar 05, 2010 1:12 AM GMT
    MuchMoreThanMuscle saidIf you've never given him a warning in the past and decide to punish him for your lack of assertiveness then that's unfortunate.

    I get the impression that you've never sat him down and told him how you feel. You went into a tirade about his personal life and how other people don't like him. But that's not really the issue. It sounds like you don't like him on just about any level. Not saying you have to like him. But if you are not happy with him maybe you should give him two months to find a new place to live. This way you get him out of your hair and he has some time to look for a new home.

    Dang I wish I could pay $500 a month for rent. He sounds like he can afford a lot more or at the very least he can afford to live on his own in a one bedroom apartment.


    No, he and I have argued about his tardiness w/ rent in the past. Rent was due on the first of the month. It's the 4th and nothing as usual. He always pays in full by the end of the month but only if I pester him. This is pretty much bull shit. He's a grown man and I am doing him a huge favor charging so little especially considering the area we live in. If I were an apartment complex he would be way down in late fees considering he has been late every month since he moved in. Well except the first month. That he paid up front.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Mar 05, 2010 1:13 AM GMT
    Caslon13000 saidYou should try living with a cat for a roommate! ... icon_rolleyes.gif

    Eww sorry dude. I hate cats. Def a dog guy here.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Mar 05, 2010 1:13 AM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidIf you didnt have him sign a lease and he is slightly intelligent, it may not be as simple as that. You should check your states tenant/landlord rules.

    There's no lease. This agreement was all handshakes and shots of jack.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Mar 05, 2010 1:14 AM GMT
    shortmuscleguy saidI just moved from Vegas and sorry to hear about the issues, dump him FAST....You can't change people

    I love the guy. He's a good friend. Just a baaaaaaad roommate.
  • CarbGoggles

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    Mar 05, 2010 1:20 AM GMT
    Boy_Vegas saidActually there are tenant rights which may protect him in NV, so I would look into that first. Secondly, I agree with the above - It doesnt sound like you've actually sat him down and explained your problem, so now you are kicking him out? Thats really lame.

    Lastly, it sounds like the rent is not the only problem you have with him - You dislike his lifestyle and wish he was more motivated. But you know what? Hes not you. And keep in mind that once you get rid of him, the next roomie you have could actually be ten times worse, believe me! So before you throw out a financially stable roommate who you think is lazy just because he doesnt live your lifestyle - Talk to him.


    LMAO! Yeah ok I'd like to see him use the law to allow him to stay. He and I have talked about this already. Actually argued on more than one occasion. No I don't like how he manages his health but as long as he pays his rent on time then I don't give a damn what he stuffs his face w/. Read into this however you like. He has been late w/ his rent every month for the last 4 months. Therefore I want him out of my house. He's not on a lease. There is no contractual agreement between John and I.
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    Mar 05, 2010 1:22 AM GMT
    CarbGoggles said
    Boy_Vegas saidActually there are tenant rights which may protect him in NV, so I would look into that first. Secondly, I agree with the above - It doesnt sound like you've actually sat him down and explained your problem, so now you are kicking him out? Thats really lame.

    Lastly, it sounds like the rent is not the only problem you have with him - You dislike his lifestyle and wish he was more motivated. But you know what? Hes not you. And keep in mind that once you get rid of him, the next roomie you have could actually be ten times worse, believe me! So before you throw out a financially stable roommate who you think is lazy just because he doesnt live your lifestyle - Talk to him.


    LMAO! Yeah ok I'd like to see him use the law to allow him to stay. He and I have talked about this already. Actually argued on more than one occasion. No I don't like how he manages his health but as long as he pays his rent on time then I don't give a damn what he stuffs his face w/. Read into this however you like. He has been late w/ his rent every month for the last 4 months. Therefore I want him out of my house. He's not on a lease. There is no contractual agreement between John and I.



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