Steelers Quarterback, Roethlisberger, Accused of Sexual Assault

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    Mar 06, 2010 12:31 PM GMT
    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Pittsburgh-Steelers-Ben-Roethlisberger-accused-of-sexual-assault-030510?gt1=39002


    "Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has been accused of sexual assault by a woman in Georgia, entertainment website TMZ reported Friday. Formal charges have yet to be filed. The alleged victim, who has already been interviewed by police, was treated at a local hospital and released, law enforcement sources told TMZ.

    Roethlisberger's representatives denied the allegations.

    Last night, Ben and his friends met a group of women and everyone mingled together throughout the evening, Roethlisberger's agent, Ryan Tollner, told profootballtalk.com. "We have spoken to law enforcement. Based on information currently available, an allegation was made against Ben, which appeared to be dismissed after a preliminary investigation last night. Obviously, given the prior accusation against Ben, we are skeptical of motive, but we will continue to cooperate with everyone involved.

    According to sportsbybrooks.com, Steelers offensive lineman Willie Colon was with Roethlisberger at the club. Colon's agent, Joe Linta told Scout.com, Willie Colon was not and is not involved in any incident alleged or otherwise. His name can be eliminated from any further discussion."


    I'm going to go out on a limb and think that Roethlisberger is guilty of something, mainly because his representatives are coming out too strongly in defense of him. Their language isn't sensitive to the situation; it's rather arrogant...kind of like that time he was hit by a car while riding his motorcycle and he defiantly advocated for no helmet use/laws after he recovered from reconstructive surgery on his jaw. This could also turn into the next Tiger Woods scandal...


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    Mar 06, 2010 3:02 PM GMT
    I don't think it will have the same impact of Tiger Woods for several reasons.

    a. He doesn't have the media presences of Tiger
    b. I doubt he has a laundry list of girls going to come out and accuse him
    c. It is the NFL, and this isn't 100% unnatural for NFL or NBA players to get rapped up in.
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    Mar 06, 2010 3:29 PM GMT
    TMZ is the scum of the earth... complete and utter media bottom feeders.
    I give them as much cred as I do the New York Post - a rag I used to get to line the kitty litter pan.

    And even if Roethisberger is guilty, I'd still say the same thing that I did about Tiger Woods and his harem...

    WHO CARES?
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 06, 2010 3:31 PM GMT
    SAHEM, there's a big difference between consenting adults and sexual assault. Shouldn't we all care about the latter?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 06, 2010 3:32 PM GMT
    Isn't this the second time this has happened in just over a year. It could be as simple as some woman looking for her 15 minutes of fame and that there is no basis for any of this. Not like it would be the first time someone was wrongfully accused. Not saying that is the case here, but it is certainly a possibility.
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    Mar 06, 2010 3:33 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidTMZ is the scum of the earth... complete and utter media bottom feeders.
    I give them as much cred as I do the New York Post - a rag I used to get to line the kitty litter pan.

    And even if Roethisberger is guilty, I'd still say the same thing that I did about Tiger Woods and his harem...

    WHO CARES?


    Not sure I agree with the WHO CARES in this case. Sexual assault is totally different than cheating on your wife, if indeed that is what occurred.
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    Mar 06, 2010 3:33 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidSAHEM, there's a big difference between consenting adults and sexual assault. Shouldn't we all care about the latter?


    Oh I care about sexual assault...make no mistake that I take it VERY seriously. I didn't even mean to imply that I did not. I just don't care about the media hype related to this case. Especially if it is coming from a puddle of stink-water like TMZ.
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 06, 2010 3:36 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidTMZ is the scum of the earth... complete and utter media bottom feeders.
    I give them as much cred as I do the New York Post - a rag I used to get to line the kitty litter pan.

    And even if Roethisberger is guilty, I'd still say the same thing that I did about Tiger Woods and his harem... WHO CARES?



    So if he's guilty of sexual assault, you said, "WHO CARES?" I think you need to proofread your comments better.
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    Mar 06, 2010 3:37 PM GMT
    Fine, I retract the statement... I CARE IF HE ASSAULTED SOMEONE, BUT I DESPSE THE MEDIA CIRCUS ABOUT TO BE MADE OVER IT AND DO NOT CARE ABOUT THAT.


    Better? If so, then please find someone else's brains to bash in!
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 06, 2010 3:41 PM GMT
    SAHEM62896 saidFine, I retract the statement... I CARE IF HE ASSAULTED SOMEONE, BUT I DESPSE THE MEDIA CIRCUS ABOUT TO BE MADE OVER IT AND DO NOT CARE ABOUT THAT.


    Better? If so, then please find someone else's brains to bash in!


    Just be more responsible with what you post. That's all. I wasn't trying to bash you, unless you were actually advocating sexual assaults as a private affair.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 06, 2010 3:42 PM GMT
    CoolArmyDude, I think everyone cares, but what we should care about is "The Truth", not some possibly blown out of proportion TMZ-generated media circus that takes on a life of its own before the real story even has a chance to be told.

    That said, don't be so quick to tell someone to "be more responsible" with what they say, when in your very first post you went "out on a limb" and basically tried and convicted the guy before he's even had the chance to defend the accusation. Being responsible would be deeming someone innocent until proven guilty.
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    Mar 06, 2010 3:42 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said
    SAHEM62896 saidFine, I retract the statement... I CARE IF HE ASSAULTED SOMEONE, BUT I DESPSE THE MEDIA CIRCUS ABOUT TO BE MADE OVER IT AND DO NOT CARE ABOUT THAT.


    Better? If so, then please find someone else's brains to bash in!


    Just be more responsible with what you post. That's all. I wasn't trying to bash you, unless you were actually advocating sexual assaults as a private affair.


    Let it die, dude. He clarified. Move on.
  • jock_1

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    Mar 06, 2010 3:44 PM GMT
    I am not TMZ but yes this is the second time he has been CAUGHT assulting a women. I have heard that big ben is quite the party animal. The dude has money and fame and probably feels like he can get away with anything. He crashed his bike a few years ago and tryed to cover it up. This will only make the Steeler organization llok bad as they try to stick up for him. He is on a bad path to failure as an athlete and a person. scumbag
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 06, 2010 3:48 PM GMT
    HoosierLad said
    coolarmydude said
    SAHEM62896 saidFine, I retract the statement... I CARE IF HE ASSAULTED SOMEONE, BUT I DESPSE THE MEDIA CIRCUS ABOUT TO BE MADE OVER IT AND DO NOT CARE ABOUT THAT.


    Better? If so, then please find someone else's brains to bash in!


    Just be more responsible with what you post. That's all. I wasn't trying to bash you, unless you were actually advocating sexual assaults as a private affair.


    Let it die, dude. He clarified. Move on.



    Yes, he clarified and moved on with a jab at me with "Better? If so, then please find someone else's brains to bash in!" I think defending myself is my right and I don't need someone telling me to move on. I would have gladly moved on if it weren't for that comment.
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    Mar 06, 2010 3:54 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidCoolArmyDude, I think everyone cares, but what we should care about is "The Truth", not some possibly blown out of proportion TMZ-generated media circus that takes on a life of its own before the real story even has a chance to be told.

    That said, don't be so quick to tell someone to "be more responsible" with what they say, when in your very first post you went "out on a limb" and basically tried and convicted the guy before he's even had the chance to defend the accusation. Being responsible would be deeming someone innocent until proven guilty.


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  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 06, 2010 4:02 PM GMT
    CuriousJockAZ saidCoolArmyDude, I think everyone cares, but what we should care about is "The Truth", not some possibly blown out of proportion TMZ-generated media circus that takes on a life of its own before the real story even has a chance to be told.

    That said, don't be so quick to tell someone to "be more responsible" with what they say, when in your very first post you went "out on a limb" and basically tried and convicted the guy before he's even had the chance to defend the accusation. Being responsible would be deeming someone innocent until proven guilty.



    I premised my opinion with "out on a limb" to make it clear that I was conjecturing and that I gave my valid reasons as a plausible explanation as to why I felt that way about it. What I was doing was explaining my impressions on the story and not stating things as fact. That is still responsible, even for gossip standards. We all do that. We all try to read between the lines in whatever is reported. You do it. I did it. We all do it. So stop acting as if I did something irresponsible, like advocating for sexual assault as a private matter. That's apples and oranges and...why bother!!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 06, 2010 4:09 PM GMT
    Well, I guess it wasn't obvious to you, but it was obvious to me that Sahem was merely making the point with "Who cares" that the media, in this case TMZ, blows everything out of proportion in their rush to judgment so that they can claim that THEY were the first to report the story. This is not only not fair to the accused, but it also presumes that the rest of the world really cares what goes on in the lives of many of these celebs. The media has been allowed to run amuck in my opinion and, in the process, they have destroyed lives and reputations often-times with zero regard for the truth.
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 06, 2010 4:13 PM GMT
    I don't dispute that about the media, and I accept Sahem's correction. So what's the issue? My opinion? We're all entitled to our opinions, like how we view closeted gay politicians who actively campaign and vote against gay rights.

    All I said is that I think Roethlisberger is guilty of something. I say that because I always have a "sixth sense" about these things. So what are you going to do should my opinion turn out to be true??
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    Mar 06, 2010 4:19 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidAll I said is that I think Roethlisberger is guilty of something. I say that because I always have a "sixth sense" about these things. So what are you going to do should my opinion turn out to be true??


    So what we were all supposed to to was bask in the glory of your sixth sense?
    Sorry, but I don't care about that either... especially because you like picking forum fights too much.
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 06, 2010 4:22 PM GMT
    Dude, I take sexual assaults very seriously and any comments that suggest they're okay. I was sexually assaulted at the age of 19. Back off already!!
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 06, 2010 4:28 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidDude, I take sexual assaults very seriously and any comments that suggest they're okay. I was sexually assaulted at the age of 19. Back off already!!



    Oh, really? Well, I'm going to "Go out on a limb" and say...oh, nevermind. Just an opinion.
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    Mar 06, 2010 4:31 PM GMT
    coolarmydude said All I said is that I think Roethlisberger is guilty of something. I say that because I always have a "sixth sense" about these things.

    What about the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty?
    The next time you get jury duty be sure to let the judge know about your reliance on your sixth sense so you'll be struck off the jury. Otherwise some poor defendant might get convicted on the basis of something other than the actual evidence.
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 06, 2010 4:32 PM GMT
    You really are an asshole, Curious.

  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 06, 2010 4:35 PM GMT
    coolarmydude saidYou really are an asshole, Curious.




    Huh?!? What'd I say? You think you're the only one around here with a "Sixth Sense" icon_wink.gif
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 06, 2010 4:36 PM GMT
    TexDef07 said
    coolarmydude said All I said is that I think Roethlisberger is guilty of something. I say that because I always have a "sixth sense" about these things.

    What about the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty?
    The next time you get jury duty be sure to let the judge know about your reliance on your sixth sense so you'll be struck off the jury. Otherwise some poor defendant might get convicted on the basis of something other than the actual evidence.



    I do regard innocence until proven guilty. But I also don't ignore my instincts. Can you explain OJ Simpson's murder acquittal despite the overwhelming public opinion that thinks he's guilty?? Or what about the evidence that convicted people only to find out decades later that they were innocent and ultimately exonerated? Evidence is a prop on a stage of opinion.