Canada wanted Afghan prisoners tortured: lawyer ... Unredacted documents show officials hoped to gather intelligence, expert says

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    Mar 06, 2010 7:38 PM GMT
    Ok, Canada's turn...

    ""If these documents were released [in full], what they will show is that Canada partnered deliberately with the torturers in Afghanistan for the interrogation of detainees," he said.

    "There would be a question of rendition [turning prisoners over to the Afghans] and a question of war crimes on the part of certain Canadian officials. That's what's in these documents, and that's why the government is covering up as hard as it can." ...

    Opposition parties have been trying to get the Conservative government to release the uncensored versions of the documents pertaining to the handling of Afghan detainees."



    Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/03/05/afghan-attaran005.html#ixzz0hQWNO1Fq

    So this is why the gov't put the anthem nonsense in the Throne speech...hoping nobody would notice the deficit and this. ...and why the gov;t prorogued Parliament, so the opposition couldnt ask about it. There's shenanigans afoot in Canada.
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    Mar 06, 2010 8:28 PM GMT
    Former top judge to screen Afghan detainee papers

    Critics accuse Tories of stalling release of documents to MPs

    "The Harper government fuelled the battle over Afghan detainees on Friday by serving notice that it has hired a former Supreme Court judge to screen secret documents to decide whether they can be released to MPs.

    Justice Minister Rob Nicholson said Frank Iacobucci will conduct an "independent comprehensive review" to determine whether the documents, ordered by MPs on a special House of Commons committee, should be shielded to protect national security."


    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Former+judge+screen+Afghan+detainee+papers/2648880/story.html


    Do you think this will be an issue in the probable June election ....or just swept behind the curtain? ...

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    Mar 07, 2010 12:57 AM GMT
    Now if I read this about the most progressive country on planet earth, Switzerland, I would truly be shocked, but this is just news.
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    Mar 07, 2010 1:01 AM GMT
    Caslon13000 saidOk, Canada's turn...

    ""If these documents were released [in full], what they will show is that Canada partnered deliberately with the torturers in Afghanistan for the interrogation of detainees," he said.

    "There would be a question of rendition [turning prisoners over to the Afghans] and a question of war crimes on the part of certain Canadian officials. That's what's in these documents, and that's why the government is covering up as hard as it can." ...

    Opposition parties have been trying to get the Conservative government to release the uncensored versions of the documents pertaining to the handling of Afghan detainees."



    Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/03/05/afghan-attaran005.html#ixzz0hQWNO1Fq

    So this is why the gov't put the anthem nonsense in the Throne speech...hoping nobody would notice the deficit and this. ...and why the gov;t prorogued Parliament, so the opposition couldnt ask about it. There's shenanigans afoot in Canada.


    Yes Parliament was conveniently prorogued AGAIN during the Olympics. Canada is on such a high from winning two hockey golds (can't say I'm not happy about that as well) we don't give shit about anything else. Everyone has forgotten.

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    Mar 07, 2010 1:02 AM GMT
    Well, the same issue hasn't meant diddly in the US, whose government also did this. Why should it make any difference in Canada, assuming these allegations are true? Torture by the US is proven, and it's been a big ho-hum with US voters. Apparently the US public approves of torture, despite international prohibitions. I would hope Canadians are better than that, but are they?
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    Mar 07, 2010 1:06 AM GMT
    TrowelMonger said...Canada is on such a high from winning two hockey golds....

    You know, that is really a sad thing to say about Canada. It's just a game, for heaven's sake.
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    Mar 07, 2010 1:13 AM GMT
    Yes, the Canadian government is truly despicable in such affairs. This, unfortunately, does not come as a surprise.

    Take for example, the case of Omar Khadr, who was arrested in Afghanistan in February of 2002, for allegedly throwing a grenade at an American soldier (yet has never faced trial or had any evidence produced against him). He is a Canadian citizen, and at the time of his arrest, he was 15 years old. So thus, even if the allegations were true, he is a minor and would legally be considered a "child soldier".

    However, off he went to Guantanamo, where he was tortured and where he still remains today. I am the same age as Khadr, and I am now 22.

    For one-third of his life, he has been imprisoned in a concentration camp, tortured, where the only Canadian officials that visited him were CSIS officers (that's our "intelligence" agency), who simply belittled him and told him to "stop crying" and that he "isn't going to get out."

    Our government has refused to help or even seek help for getting him extradited to Canada. We remain to be the ONLY western (non-US) nation with citizens in Guantanamo. Great Britain and Australia have had their citizens returned to them, but Omar remains, 8 years later.

    Revelations of collusion with torturers can hardly be considered surprising, and Canadian officials responsible should face war crimes charges. However, the list of people who should face war crimes charges internationally, and most especially from Western nations, is staggering. And it doesn't seem that any trials are likely. It's business as usual, and it's revolting.

    It frankly doesn't matter which party is in power in Canada: be it the Liberals or Conservatives, on the issues of foreign and economic policy, they are largely identical. The Liberals were there to first partake in the Afghan war of aggression and occupation and colonial project, and the Conservatives merely picked up where they left off.

    Every two years, the mission in Afghanistan is extended another two years, and every time that happens, the media declares -- with it's propensity to suffer collective amnesia -- that we will be out of Afghanistan by 2007 -- 2009 -- 2011, forgetting the record and fact that every time the next date rolls around, the "mission" [read: war and imperial occupation] is extended another 2 years, where both Canadian soldiers and innocent Afghans are murdered.

    Torture, war, imperialism, dehumanization and crimes against humanity: these are all a part of the same process and foreign policy; they are not mutually exclusive. To end one, we must end them all.
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    Mar 07, 2010 1:32 AM GMT
    I hate that word "imperialism". It's so old-fashioned.

    "Interests in collusion with government insiders exploiting ties to affect material growth" sounds so much better...
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    Mar 07, 2010 1:51 AM GMT
    makavelli saidI hate that word "imperialism". It's so old-fashioned.

    "Interests in collusion with government insiders exploiting ties to affect material growth" sounds so much better...


    Yeah, I'm always in the habit of using archaic language.

    I should really update it to modern rhetoric.

    "humanitarian intervention"

    "spreading democracy"

    "freedom initiatives"

    etc.
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    Mar 07, 2010 1:59 AM GMT
    Pattison saidNow if I read this about the most progressive country on planet earth, Switzerland, I would truly be shocked, but this is just news.


    Switzerland the most progressive country on planet Earth? I suppose so if you turn a conveniently blind eye to immigration and status of ethnic minorities ...

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    Mar 07, 2010 1:59 AM GMT
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    makavelli saidI hate that word "imperialism". It's so old-fashioned.

    "Interests in collusion with government insiders exploiting ties to affect material growth" sounds so much better...


    Yeah, I'm always in the habit of using archaic language.

    I should really update it to modern rhetoric.

    "humanitarian intervention"

    "spreading democracy"

    "freedom initiatives"

    etc.

    freedom fries...you forgot freedom fries.
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    Mar 07, 2010 2:26 AM GMT
    HKboi said Switzerland the most progressive country on planet Earth? I suppose so if you turn a conveniently blind eye to immigration and status of ethnic minorities ...
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    Voting yes to the Minaret-Verbot was a huge triumph aesthetically. Those minarets would so clash with chalets.
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    Mar 07, 2010 2:55 AM GMT
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    Mar 07, 2010 3:30 AM GMT
    Well we've said it before, that Canada's Conservative Gov't is similar to the US Republican one, but without all the religion.

    Canada's role in Afghanistan was peacekeeping, then the big Cs made it something else. (did they ever)

    This will likely come up again closer to the next election.

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    Mar 07, 2010 4:07 AM GMT
    HKboi said
    Pattison saidNow if I read this about the most progressive country on planet earth, Switzerland, I would truly be shocked, but this is just news.


    Switzerland the most progressive country on planet Earth? I suppose so if you turn a conveniently blind eye to immigration and status of ethnic minorities ... Prevention is better than a cure! I agree with this stand to stop the invasion of minarets in the very small county.

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    I stand by what I first said.
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    Mar 07, 2010 11:45 AM GMT
    silly canadians....whadya expect...lolz