People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

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    Mar 08, 2010 4:32 PM GMT
    I don't really even know what to say to this. I guess when you get very wealthy, perhaps some people reach a point where they become so out of touch that they can no longer sympathize with those who have less. Here is an excerpt from a recent interview with former House Majority Leader, Tom Delay (R):

    "You know," Delay said, "there is an argument to be made that these extensions, the unemployment benefits keeps people from going and finding jobs. In fact there are some studies that have been done that show people stay on unemployment compensation and they don't look for a job until two or three weeks before they know the benefits are going to run out.

    Host Candy Crowley: Congressman, that's a hard sell, isn't it?

    Delay: it's the truth.

    Crowley: People are unemployed because they want to be?

    Delay: well, it is the truth. and people in the real world know it. And they have friends and they know it. Sure, we ought to be helping people that are unemployed find a job, but we also have budget considerations that are incredibly important, especially now that Obama is spending monies that we don't have.


    I'm sure there are some people who think they can take a "break" or mini vacation before their 13 weeks are up, but a majority of people want their lives back and don't want to struggle or live paycheck to paycheck. The full article which references the interview can be found here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20100307/cm_huffpost/489050
  • HndsmKansan

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    Mar 08, 2010 4:44 PM GMT
    I think he's taking all out of context. At a minimum he's focusing on the person who decides they won't look for a job and rather take unemployment.

    But at worst, he's making the assertion that the generic person who is on unemployment is lazy, makes the decision to take money from the government and doesn't deserve it.
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    Mar 08, 2010 5:03 PM GMT
    lol, I had a similar conversation once with someone who also declared that poor people are willfully poor. Everyone could be a millionaire if they wanted to.

    I politely replied that if everyone was, a quart of milk would then be about 500 dollars.

    -Doug
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    Mar 08, 2010 5:08 PM GMT
    Tricky one.

    Coming from a deprived area of the UK I know there ARE people who happily live off benefits and have all sorts of tricks to get the max they can out of the system, and that makes me angry.

    I was unemployed (due to the recession) and wasn't aware that I coulde claim benefits because of the payout I'd got from work. Turns out I "lost" about a thousand pounds by not claiming. I bloody well pay taxes, so it makes me angry that I couldn't make a back claim.
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    Mar 08, 2010 5:10 PM GMT
    I think this can be true in some cases. I think people who have worked and worked and then lose their jobs start out looking very hard. But if it just appears that there is nothing for them month after month, I am sure they welcome the benefits and try to bide time to reenergize themselves.
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    Mar 08, 2010 5:11 PM GMT
    In a way this is the truth. Most of the people I know who are unemployed are because they flat out dont want to work. They would rather sit around and collect money from people who do work hard. Thats why the state of Rhode Island is broke. We have all been taxed to death and are leaving the state in droves. Where will they get the money to give to the people who are left, with no tax revenues coming in?
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 08, 2010 5:24 PM GMT
    We all know there is some truth to this. I know several friends who are unemployed and they spend their days laying in the sun, going to the gym, and going to lunch and the movies. One of them even said to me "Hey, you know what, I could get use to this unemployment gig". I'm not saying this is necessarily the norm, and I certainly have sympathy for anyone who has lost their job, but let's not pretend that abuse of the system and taking it for all you can isn't a huge problem.
  • masculumpedes

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    Mar 08, 2010 5:25 PM GMT
    Being a business owner, I can identify with this also. There are some people who are completely happy sitting at home and drawing $400 a week unemployment instead of working for a few hundred dollars more. I seriously think that "the pride in having a job" and "work ethics" have taken a turn for the worse. When I acquired my very first public job back in 1979, (yes, I'm old...lol)...it was considered a matter of respect to have a job. These days, not so much. icon_cry.gif
  • Celticmusl

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    Mar 08, 2010 5:28 PM GMT
    Bottom line is there are more people without jobs than there are jobs. For every job available right now in Ohio there are 6 people without a job.

    There is another quantifier in calculating the unemployment rates. They are now looking at the number of recently unemployed that do not plan to go back to work because finding another job is almost impossible. Perhaps it is a single mother that can collect about the same amount of income staying at home and taking care of her children using food stamps and child support. Perhaps it is someone that is so near to retirement age that he doesn't believe he will be able to find a job at his advanced age. Of course they will take the unemployment until it runs out.

    How could you prove to someone like Delay that you want another job. What if you've applied for a thousand different positions? What if it was two thousand? What if you have never gotten an interview to any of these two thousand jobs?
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    Mar 08, 2010 5:32 PM GMT
    i've asked my job once to fire me to be on the dole (welfare) a few years ago because they had a small business program that only welfare applicants were allowed to do. i'm glad of the experience but being on welfare is really difficult if you have bigger aspirations in life that require money. it was good when i was a student and lived very meagerly, it covered my rent, expenses and alcohol. it's really easy to take money that you're given for nothing in return.
    do you guys have some sort of work for welfare scheme?
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    Mar 08, 2010 5:35 PM GMT
    The last time I was unemployed was 1989 and the benefit was about 300 bucks per week and that was the max they paid out. There was no way I could live on that in NYC. Hard to imagine anyone wanting to be unemployed for too long because umemployment doesn't pay what they were making while employed. Additionally, eventually, COBRA expires. With all the stink about health insurance, I don't imagine too many people being comfortable without it. The notion that people WANT to be unemployed is hard to swallow and takes a real leap of imagination, though it's not hard to imagine somebody being happy to have time off. It's when the time off costs rather than pays that it makes no sense for people to desire.
  • ATLANTIS7

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    Mar 08, 2010 5:35 PM GMT
    Some do like freeloaders... But majority out there no jobs...........
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    Mar 08, 2010 5:43 PM GMT
    McGay saidThe last time I was unemployed was 1989 and the benefit was about 300 bucks per week and that was the max they paid out. There was no way I could live on that in NYC. Hard to imagine anyone wanting to be unemployed for too long because umemployment doesn't pay what they were making while employed. Additionally, eventually, COBRA expires. With all the stink about health insurance, I don't imagine too many people being comfortable without it. The notion that people WANT to be unemployed is hard to swallow and takes a real leap of imagination, though it's not hard to imagine somebody being happy to have time off. It's when the time off costs rather than pays that it makes no sense for people to desire.


    In this country people who know how to work the system can make a fortune, unfortunatrely. There's also trhose who work "cash in hand" ands still claim!
  • masculumpedes

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    Mar 08, 2010 5:48 PM GMT
    Brit_Bloke said

    In this country people who know how to work the system can make a fortune, unfortunatrely.


    Hmmm...I wonder if there are people in the U.S. doing this also? icon_confused.gif
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 08, 2010 5:55 PM GMT
    And on the other side of the mouth, Republicans refute Obama's claim that he created any jobs...

    Americans can't win in doublespeak contests!!
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    Mar 08, 2010 6:04 PM GMT
    McGay saidThe last time I was unemployed was 1989 and the benefit was about 300 bucks per week and that was the max they paid out. There was no way I could live on that in NYC. Hard to imagine anyone wanting to be unemployed for too long because umemployment doesn't pay what they were making while employed. Additionally, eventually, COBRA expires. With all the stink about health insurance, I don't imagine too many people being comfortable without it. The notion that people WANT to be unemployed is hard to swallow and takes a real leap of imagination, though it's not hard to imagine somebody being happy to have time off. It's when the time off costs rather than pays that it makes no sense for people to desire.


    I agree. What happens when the government stops extending the unemployment benefits? It can't go on forever. We will have a real crisis on our hands then. Hopefully the economy will rebound before that happens.
  • Celticmusl

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    Mar 08, 2010 6:18 PM GMT
    Actually Delay really does sound like an ignorant tool. Is he suggesting we just do away with unemployment and switch to breadlines like in the last great depression. Believe me, there would be no question whether we are now in a recession or depression if everyone on unemployment lost their benefits.

    A sound socioeconomic theory is that the economy and many businesses would suffer greatly if the unemployed did not have the unemployment money to put back into the system(buying food, clothes, transportation, shelter, entertainment) and keep the businesses afloat.
  • coolarmydude

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    Mar 08, 2010 6:44 PM GMT
    There will always be leeches in society.

    You don't get rid of unemployment because of those who defraud the system.

    Do we get rid of automobiles altogether because of those who commit DUI acts?

    Do we get rid of guns because of murder in which a handgun was used?

    Do we get rid of anything because of the abuses of the few?

    End of argument.
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    Mar 08, 2010 6:45 PM GMT
    Aside from the principle that those further away from issues know less, this is a simple rule/exception fallacy.

    The fallacy is that there are trends, or rules, and sometimes people mistake the exception (like the feckless waif) and consider it the rule.

    It's helpful when you have think-tanks purposefully trying to prove the this/that of the fallacy in order to advance ideological precepts.
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    Mar 08, 2010 7:13 PM GMT
    Some of you people are just a bunch of fucking idiots!

    True there are some people who don't want to work - there have always been and there will always be. There were these idiots when times were good and there will still be when time get good again. But to generalize about this is beyond the pale.

    I have a friend in NYC who lost his job at an investment firm almost two years ago. From making over 200K P/A he's now down to collecting $400 per week and can't find a job and with little prospects. And yes he has tried McDonalds and Whole Foods and any number of retail joints. Why should they hire a guy with 2 masters when they can hire someone just out of school. He's currently working partime with the census bureau and doing people's taxes to make ends meet. Are you idiots kidding me?

    Why don't some of you give up your fucking jobs and try go find one now? Why don't you who have your own business employ more people?

    What a bunch of assholes some of you are!
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    Mar 08, 2010 7:14 PM GMT
    I propose that we kill the weak and poor.
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    Mar 08, 2010 7:18 PM GMT
    Lostboy saidI propose that we kill the weak and poor.


    And let's add gay republicans to that mix as well

    And also gay supposedly independents who march lock step and barrel with everything republican- especially those who constantly whine about lower taxes
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    Mar 08, 2010 7:22 PM GMT
    I agree there are people out there milking the system but to generalize that everyone on unemployment is lazy and wants to be on unemployment just shows how out of touch he is with his pension and benefits for life, high paying job as a government official. Let him work three part-time jobs to just scrape by, have no health insurance and send out hundreds of resumes a month and not get one reply and do that for TWO YEARS and see how he like it! I have thus far avoided going on unemployment and refuse to do so unless absolutely necessary but that's how I was raised. I have all my physical abilities and mental abilities, have an education so I still have it in my head from my parents that there is no reason I can't support myself.
  • CuriousJockAZ

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    Mar 08, 2010 7:22 PM GMT
    MadeNUSA saidSome of you people are just a bunch of fucking idiots!

    True there are some people who don't want to work - there have always been and there will always be. There were these idiots when times were good and there will still be when time get good again. But to generalize about this is beyond the pale.

    I have a friend in NYC who lost his job at an investment firm almost two years ago. From making over 200K P/A he's now down to collecting $400 per week and can't find a job and with little prospects. And yes he has tried McDonalds and Whole Foods and any number of retail joints. Why should they hire a guy with 2 masters when they can hire someone just out of school. He's currently working partime with the census bureau and doing people's taxes to make ends meet. Are you idiots kidding me?

    Why don't some of you give up your fucking jobs and try go find one now? Why don't you who have your own business employ more people?

    What a bunch of assholes some of you are!



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    Mar 08, 2010 7:24 PM GMT
    While there are those who prefer to live off of the public trough, most people who require assistance are fine, hard working people who have been temporarily faced with difficulties. Mr. Delay continues to make irresponsible comments and should be relieved of his leadership duties. It might do well for the good senator to stand in an unemployment line.