Roseanne blames faith:

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    Mar 08, 2010 11:17 PM GMT
    Actress Roseanne Barr has claimed Marie Osmond's son killed himself because he was gay.

    She made the allegation on her blog, and said Osmond's Mormon faith was to blame for the 18 year old's death.

    Michael Blosil the singers adopted son, was found dead outside his LA home last month.

    It is though the teen battled drugs and depression and jumped to his death.

    Barr said the youngster took his own life because he was afraid his sexuality would leave his mother ashamed.

    " I want her and all gay kids in the world to know that they are just fine being gay and that they are just fine being gay and that they deserve love and respect," Barr wrote.
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    Mar 08, 2010 11:20 PM GMT
    Roseanne is a big proponent of gay rights. She may have overstepped saying that he was gay, but if he was I wouldn't doubt that that contributed to his depression. Being gay in the mormon faith is treated worse than in the Catholic faith. You are excommunicated and cannot attend church often times. They shame you big time.
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    Mar 08, 2010 11:26 PM GMT
    I'll be honest, I thought of the possibility of him (Marie's son) being gay as the reason he killed himself. Though I think Roseanne has jumped to some conclusions by posting it on her blog for everyone else to see. It is a little in poor taste, regardless of a person's religious background, I would hope a person is a mother, and father first
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    Mar 08, 2010 11:37 PM GMT
    OMG Barr lets not forget you have a personal axe to grind with the Mormons, and you are using this to lay in the boots; go look at you own actions that may of led to your own children being ashamed of you!

    But you over look the fact that a combination of drugs and depression, make many do themselves in, as they are not seeing things clearly.

    I being a survivor of torture as a child, where I also had my soul raped, and childhood murded, by my catholic terrorist mother, am so grateful to of had the Mormons in my life as a child and youth via my Adopted Grandmother.

    Yet for years I worried that when she found out I was homosexual she would also be ashamed of me. But.......unlike Marie's son, I talked to her about it, and felt her warm embrace; still. This women is now almost 94 and still active in her church, and lord forbid if anyone was to put me down because of my sexuality; lord help them.

    Yes there are members of the priesthood that have personal issues with homosexuality, but this is not the church as a whole, it's them, and I have endured one or two of them. But now I'm growen and I can look back on my life I'm so fucking grateful to of had this American born Religion in my life, as It was to teach me a morel code I would never of learned from the gay community; hell no I've had homosexuals wanting to touch me since I was 5. Then in my 20's in the early 1980s. I witnessed first hand gay men giving each other a slow death because they were not willing to deprive their dick of enjoyment, or wanted to miss out on the party, I've even survived them trying to kill me too. The long term damage this has had on my psych, in fact it's been like sand paper. Thank god I had the Mormons in my life in my youth to draw strength from.

    Youth, not just gays ones have issues, and trials and tribulations, it's all apart of growing up and finding our feet. We can't wrap them up in cotton wool to protect them, as this too can make them even more valuable.

    But to blame the Mormon faith for this young mans death is just wrong.

    I'll write you soon Marie.
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    Mar 08, 2010 11:42 PM GMT
    wrestlervic saidRoseanne is a big proponent of gay rights. She may have overstepped saying that he was gay, but if he was I wouldn't doubt that that contributed to his depression. Being gay in the Mormon faith is treated worse than in the Catholic faith. You are excommunicated and cannot attend church often times. They shame you big time.


    I am still a Mormon officially even after I asked the to take my name off Church records; excommunication, and I can still go to chuch. He in my City we have an open homosexual, who hold the high priesthood, and goes to the temple too; albeit there are conditions to his membership, but they are no diffrent to a straight guys.

    So yes you can be gay and a Mormon, but there are rules. But....I myself left religion behind years ago, I've taken the good from them, that I needed, and have walked away from all religion. But as a whole I am not damaged by my experience; I'm just my own boss now, and I have no need for religion.
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    Mar 08, 2010 11:57 PM GMT
    Though I do tend to agree with Roseanne, it is not a fair statement for her to make. Suicide is hurtful enough. My partner committed suicide and it changes your life forever. Why, can never be answered. There is enough pain without people speculating. But on the other hand I realized how important it is to leave someone with a smile, and I am constantly striving to be a better man.
    And most of all.........The Bullshit that bothers a lot of people is meaningless to me. Get real!
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    Pattison saidActress Roseanne Barr has claimed Marie Osmond's son killed himself because he was gay.

    She made the allegation on her blog, and said Osmond's Mormon faith was to blame for the 18 year old's death.

    Michael Blosil the singers adopted son, was found dead outside his LA home last month.

    It is though the teen battled drugs and depression and jumped to his death.

    Barr said the youngster took his own life because he was afraid his sexuality would leave his mother ashamed.

    " I want her and all gay kids in the world to know that they are just fine being gay and that they are just fine being gay and that they deserve love and respect," Barr wrote.



    here is my post that has the ROSEANNE blog in it...
    http://www.realjock.com/gayforums/858236/
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    Mar 09, 2010 12:23 AM GMT
    Pattison said
    wrestlervic saidRoseanne is a big proponent of gay rights. She may have overstepped saying that he was gay, but if he was I wouldn't doubt that that contributed to his depression. Being gay in the Mormon faith is treated worse than in the Catholic faith. You are excommunicated and cannot attend church often times. They shame you big time.


    I am still a Mormon officially even after I asked the to take my name off Church records; excommunication, and I can still go to chuch. He in my City we have an open homosexual, who hold the high priesthood, and goes to the temple too; albeit there are conditions to his membership, but they are no diffrent to a straight guys.


    Saying that the conditions are the same when the option of marriage (on which the church's position of moral sexual behavior hinges) is open to one group and not the other is blatantly dishonest of you.
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    Mar 09, 2010 12:27 AM GMT
    As far as Roseanne goes, there are some things that simply do not need to be said, and are more powerful because they do not need to be said. All the facts are in place; everyone with a working brain will be able to piece together what happened here. There is no need for other celebrities to blog about this like the meddling, loudmouthed drama queens they are.
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    Mar 09, 2010 12:28 AM GMT
    I like that she did it and I hope the media starts to hammer the Osmonds. If that kid was traumatized by his religion and his family over being gay, they're complicit in his death.
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    Mar 09, 2010 12:29 AM GMT
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    wrestlervic saidRoseanne is a big proponent of gay rights. She may have overstepped saying that he was gay, but if he was I wouldn't doubt that that contributed to his depression. Being gay in the Mormon faith is treated worse than in the Catholic faith. You are excommunicated and cannot attend church often times. They shame you big time.


    I am still a Mormon officially even after I asked the to take my name off Church records; excommunication, and I can still go to chuch. Here in my City we have an open homosexual, who holds the high priesthood, and goes to the temple too; albeit there are conditions to his membership, but they are no diffrent to a straight guys.


    Saying that the conditions are the same when the option of marriage (on which the church's position of moral sexual behavior hinges) is open to one group and not the other is blatantly dishonest of you.


    I don't feel I was dishonest for one moment, sorry thats your interpretation. Mormonism is a private club, you don't have to be a member, and if you wish to, there are rules. The rules are the same for single gay men as they are for single straight men! Marriage is another topic altogether; sorry. My point was you can be a Mormon and gay, but there are rules, as all clubs have rules.
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    Mar 09, 2010 12:32 AM GMT
    In the U.S., the church of mormon is no more a private club than is fungus. Religions that infiltrate, as religions, the gov't and try to impose their morality on non-adherents is not private.

    "sorry"

    You sure are.
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    Mar 09, 2010 12:35 AM GMT
    Pattison said
    styrgan said
    Pattison said
    wrestlervic saidRoseanne is a big proponent of gay rights. She may have overstepped saying that he was gay, but if he was I wouldn't doubt that that contributed to his depression. Being gay in the Mormon faith is treated worse than in the Catholic faith. You are excommunicated and cannot attend church often times. They shame you big time.


    I am still a Mormon officially even after I asked the to take my name off Church records; excommunication, and I can still go to chuch. Here in my City we have an open homosexual, who holds the high priesthood, and goes to the temple too; albeit there are conditions to his membership, but they are no diffrent to a straight guys.


    Saying that the conditions are the same when the option of marriage (on which the church's position of moral sexual behavior hinges) is open to one group and not the other is blatantly dishonest of you.


    I don't feel I was dishonest for one moment, sorry thats your interpretation. Mormonism is a private club, you don't have to be a member, and if you wish to, there are rules. The rules are the same for single gay men as they are for single straight men! Marriage is another topic altogether; sorry.


    But where there's no option for both groups to progress and grow in the same ways, equality does not exist. The argument that gay men must remain celibate their entire lives while straight men can get married and have sex is not at all the same, and it's ridiculous for anyone to say or imply that that setup is based on the equality of both groups.
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    wrestlervic saidRoseanne is a big proponent of gay rights. She may have overstepped saying that he was gay, but if he was I wouldn't doubt that that contributed to his depression. Being gay in the Mormon faith is treated worse than in the Catholic faith. You are excommunicated and cannot attend church often times. They shame you big time.


    I am still a Mormon officially even after I asked the to take my name off Church records; excommunication, and I can still go to chuch. Here in my City we have an open homosexual, who holds the high priesthood, and goes to the temple too; albeit there are conditions to his membership, but they are no diffrent to a straight guys.


    Saying that the conditions are the same when the option of marriage (on which the church's position of moral sexual behavior hinges) is open to one group and not the other is blatantly dishonest of you.


    I don't feel I was dishonest for one moment, sorry thats your interpretation. Mormonism is a private club, you don't have to be a member, and if you wish to, there are rules. The rules are the same for single gay men as they are for single straight men! Marriage is another topic altogether; sorry.


    But where there's no option for both groups to progress and grow in the same ways, equality does not exist. The argument that gay men must remain celibate their entire lives while straight men can get married and have sex is not at all the same, and it's ridiculous for anyone to say or imply that that setup is based on the equality of both groups.


    I am not going to disagree with what you said, as it's correct. But the rules of celibacy see are the same for both men and women gay and straight, I never said they were 100% equip; it's the rules of this private club. The topic of Marriage is just an extension of what I said, and I have said and it has been talked about many times here in the past too. But this is a topic all of it's own too.

    Just as is I support a lot of section 132 of the Doctrine and Covenants, is another topic, but it about plural marrage, something to that does not include homosexuals either.

    Once agin Mormonism is a private clubs with rules, it's not forced onto you by Government to be a member. you can walk away.
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    Mar 09, 2010 1:26 AM GMT
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    wrestlervic saidRoseanne is a big proponent of gay rights. She may have overstepped saying that he was gay, but if he was I wouldn't doubt that that contributed to his depression. Being gay in the Mormon faith is treated worse than in the Catholic faith. You are excommunicated and cannot attend church often times. They shame you big time.


    I am still a Mormon officially even after I asked the to take my name off Church records; excommunication, and I can still go to chuch. Here in my City we have an open homosexual, who holds the high priesthood, and goes to the temple too; albeit there are conditions to his membership, but they are no diffrent to a straight guys.


    Saying that the conditions are the same when the option of marriage (on which the church's position of moral sexual behavior hinges) is open to one group and not the other is blatantly dishonest of you.


    I don't feel I was dishonest for one moment, sorry thats your interpretation. Mormonism is a private club, you don't have to be a member, and if you wish to, there are rules. The rules are the same for single gay men as they are for single straight men! Marriage is another topic altogether; sorry.


    Does your country of the US of A have full equality for all?

    Is Evey male and female born in the US today, born equal to each other?

    Are all private clubs and intrusions in America equal?

    If there is a no to any of the above, then to single out the Mormons could be seen as discrimination by many...........

    If there is no to any of the above, what has Obama and his party done in over the past year to correct this?

    But where there's no option for both groups to progress and grow in the same ways, equality does not exist. The argument that gay men must remain celibate their entire lives while straight men can get married and have sex is not at all the same, and it's ridiculous for anyone to say or imply that that setup is based on the equality of both groups.
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    Mar 09, 2010 1:45 AM GMT
    McGay saidI like that she did it and I hope the media starts to hammer the Osmonds. If that kid was traumatized by his religion and his family over being gay, they're complicit in his death.


    As a gay man who was raised in the mormon church, I know first hand what this is like. I think though, McGay, that your view is a little extreme. I had many thoughts of suicide, but I didn't go through with them. I felt hopeless (one of the largest reasons why people attempt suicide). I felt there was no way out. I know exactly how hard it is to reconcile being gay with being Mormon. You cant do it. Which is why I eventually chose to leave.

    As a mental health professional, I also think that your views are a little extreme - I think its easy to point fingers to his family and to the church....but there are also thousands of people who were in the same situation as he likely was ... who didnt kill themselves. Every situation is different. Suicide is always an extremely complex matter... multiply determined. You also sit and project your own values onto the Osmonds. They shouldn't be so closed-minded, you might think. But that's their way, and we have to be understanding of that. That is their lifestyle, and their belief system.... We cant simply use our own values to decide who is to blame for someone's suicide -(The motivation of which has not really been disclosed). If I have a Mormon patient come in and say, "I'm gay and Mormon and I'm having tons of conflict about it" I am not going to say, "Well those Mormons are all psycho and your religion is a load of crap so just get over it and move on with your life... I was there too and I know from experience.... "etc.... .it doesnt work that way. You have to (like it or not) meet the person where THEY are, in THEIR experience. Otherwise you will never be able to truly empathize with their experience because you are too caught up in your own beliefs about the situation.. This is much of what cultural/diversity competency is all about.

    And Pattison is correct in his assessment of ... you CAN be mormon and gay. its just very very difficult. You have to believe in it and really take on a life of celibacy. The Bishop of my congregation knows I am gay, and has many times invited me kindly and warmly to come back to church.... he's also the chairman of Marriott Intl. lol.... anyway, A lot of nuns do it for their own reasons. I simply felt that it wasnt for me, and I didnt believe a lot of the other core beliefs that the church taught. I wasnt happy in the church, so I left.

    It is tragic that this young man felt that he had no other way out.
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    Mar 09, 2010 1:49 AM GMT
    Pattison saidActress Roseanne Barr has claimed Marie Osmond's son killed himself because he was gay.

    She made the allegation on her blog, and said Osmond's Mormon faith was to blame for the 18 year old's death.

    Michael Blosil the singers adopted son, was found dead outside his LA home last month.

    It is though the teen battled drugs and depression and jumped to his death.

    Barr said the youngster took his own life because he was afraid his sexuality would leave his mother ashamed.

    " I want her and all gay kids in the world to know that they are just fine being gay and that they are just fine being gay and that they deserve love and respect," Barr wrote.


    I have a question for you. Doesn't anything happen down on that island that you claim to live on?
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    Mar 09, 2010 2:14 AM GMT
    QUOTE ZBmwM5But that's their way, and we have to be understanding of that. That is their lifestyle, and their belief system.... We cant simply use our own values to decide who is to blame for someone's suicide


    I couldn't disagree more. White supremacists have developed a "belief system" and a "lifestyle." Does that mean we have be understanding of them?

    The Mormon "church" brainwashes young people from birth. They are taught that being gay is shameful and they are considered second-class citizens. Which, SUPRISE, leads countless young gay people to depression, suicide, or (at best) a lifetime of emotional problems.

    THIS IS CHILD ABUSE. You do not have to "accept and understand" child abuse. It is wrong. Our society needs to stop tip-toeing around these hateful BIGOTS who hide behind their so-called religion as an excuse to crush young spirits and control the society at large.

    Mormons are the ones bankrolling every major effort against gay rights in this country (along with the Catholic Church). They were behind Prop 8 in California, and the campaign against gay Boy Scouts.

    The one thing I will give them credit for is that their campaign against us is effective and well-organized. Are we?
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    Mar 09, 2010 2:28 AM GMT
    I don't think less of Rosanne for doing this.
    It took guts.

    I do think less of Marie.
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    Mar 09, 2010 3:52 AM GMT
    The Mormons believe that you're better off dead than gay, so I don't expect that Marie is too broken up over it. She'll blame anything and everything, EXCEPT the religion that made the poor young man feel that he was worthless.
    Bastards.
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    Webster666 saidThe Mormons believe that you're better off dead than gay, so I don't expect that Marie is too broken up over it. She'll blame anything and everything, EXCEPT the religion that made the poor young man feel that he was worthless.
    Bastards.


    I am afraid it's true. They think death is a better option than if someone lives a gay lifestyle. I have come to realize this. There is NO sympathy from them on this topic. It's like a holy war to PROTECT the family unit. So if your gay your screwed. I even watched the Mormon documentary on PBS and well, many of the Mormon's who were interviewed just sorta skipped their lips and said gee...how bad it is for them to be gay and be on earth and no sex.

    Gee your FUCKED.....that's what I got from it.


    Now.....I have more to say, but I am going to get a blow job and stop pretending that I am some holy fuck who cares. They ONLY care about them and no one else!
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    Mar 09, 2010 4:48 AM GMT
    Marie Osmond Supporting Gay Rights

    How massively inappropriate for you to say those sorts of things.

    Webster666 saidThe Mormons believe that you're better off dead than gay, so I don't expect that Marie is too broken up over it. She'll blame anything and everything, EXCEPT the religion that made the poor young man feel that he was worthless.
    Bastards.
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    Mar 09, 2010 4:57 AM GMT
    abelian0 saidMarie Osmond Supporting Gay Rights

    How massively inappropriate for you to say those sorts of things.

    Webster666 saidThe Mormons believe that you're better off dead than gay, so I don't expect that Marie is too broken up over it. She'll blame anything and everything, EXCEPT the religion that made the poor young man feel that he was worthless.
    Bastards.


    It's difficult to say I agree with Abelian, but I've never gotten the impression that Marie Osmond was anti-gay. Perez Hilton may not be the most reputable source, but from what I've read this kid struggled with depression for quite some time. He was also living in NYC and attending FIT, so it doesn't seem like the Osmonds were holding him back.

    That said, the Mormon Church has been extremely active in battling gay rights to the point of being indefensible.
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    Mar 09, 2010 4:59 AM GMT
    Thanks for the link, abelian.
    It's good to know what Marie really believes, and that she doesn't share the anti-gay mindset of so many of her fellow Mormons.

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    Mar 09, 2010 11:43 AM GMT
    rickrick91 saidI don't think less of Rosanne for doing this.
    It took guts.

    I do think less of Marie.


    You know it's your right to think of whatever you want to. So do Mormon's have this same right, and I too.