supreme court oks gay marriage

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    Mar 09, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504564_162-6260683-504564.html

    hold up...am i getting this worng? i thought the roberts dude was supposed to be like uber conservative/republican.

    i didnt see a thread here announcing how he said it was ok.
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    Mar 09, 2010 9:31 PM GMT
    People are gonna get tired of these referendums.
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    Mar 09, 2010 9:40 PM GMT
    But a ballot referendum will come in DC. They always do, and they always win. This is how Republicans beat us gays down.
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    Mar 09, 2010 9:50 PM GMT
    Chief Justice John Roberts didn't "approve gay marriage"

    He denied a stay that was requested by whiny crybabies who didn't get their way and tried to circumvent procedures.

    They have a case pending with the DC Court of Appeals and they have to finish that one before they can go up to the next level.
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    Mar 10, 2010 2:54 AM GMT
    umm call it whateva technical term u want but he still let didnt let it get thrown out...no?

    if he was as uber hitler as i some hear ppl say i dunno it seems to me he woulda found a way to block it and let them whiny crybabies win.

    hmm..i dunno much about these things but maybe hes not as right wing as the scalia dude....
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    Mar 10, 2010 3:13 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidBut a ballot referendum will come in DC. They always do, and they always win. This is how Republicans beat us gays down.

    We'll see. DC is pretty liberal. But it is also heavily Black. And US Blacks in general dont seem to be very supportive of gay rights, far as I can see. I think it because of the heavy religious influence in the Black community. I hope I am wrong.
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    Mar 10, 2010 3:14 AM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidBut a ballot referendum will come in DC. They always do, and they always win. This is how Republicans beat us gays down.


    But whether they'll win in D.C. remains to be seen.
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    Mar 10, 2010 8:33 AM GMT
    I don't think they will get a ballot referendum.

    By charter they are allowed to have referendums to reverse city council actions with the exception of things that would violate the city's human rights ordinance.
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    Mar 16, 2010 6:23 PM GMT
    Caslon13000 said
    Red_Vespa saidBut a ballot referendum will come in DC. They always do, and they always win. This is how Republicans beat us gays down.

    We'll see. DC is pretty liberal. But it is also heavily Black. And US Blacks in general dont seem to be very supportive of gay rights, far as I can see. I think it because of the heavy religious influence in the Black community. I hope I am wrong.

    I think you are right about the religion, but prejudice from any minority always pisses me off.
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    Mar 16, 2010 7:26 PM GMT
    myklet1 said
    Caslon13000 said
    Red_Vespa saidBut a ballot referendum will come in DC. They always do, and they always win. This is how Republicans beat us gays down.

    We'll see. DC is pretty liberal. But it is also heavily Black. And US Blacks in general dont seem to be very supportive of gay rights, far as I can see. I think it because of the heavy religious influence in the Black community. I hope I am wrong.

    I think you are right about the religion, but prejudice from any minority always pisses me off.

    Anti-gay forces always win, gays always lose, Such is how it is in the US. The victory in DC is temporary, and will soon be overturned. And gay-haters here like southbeach1500 will rejoice. That's just the way it is.
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    Mar 16, 2010 7:29 PM GMT
    southbeach1500 said
    Red_Vespa saidAnd hate-haters here like southbeach1500 will rejoice. That's just the way it is.

    That's true. I do hate people who are haters.

    Then you must hate yourself.
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    Mar 16, 2010 8:55 PM GMT
    Red_Vespa saidBut a ballot referendum will come in DC. They always do, and they always win. This is how Republicans beat us gays down.


    Sorry, but I need to point out that it's not fair to be so broadsweeping as to say it's the Republicans that beat us down. It's the Conservative Right Wing. Not all Republicans are Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson, nor do they all share their beliefs.

    It's like saying all Muslims are radicals and terrorists.
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    Mar 16, 2010 9:03 PM GMT
    John Roberts is slick. The only way gay marriage is ever to win is in the Courts. If Roberts took that case, he would have been forced to not only strike down the DC referendum against gay marriage, but he would have had to declare unconstitutional all state gay marriage bans.
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    Mar 16, 2010 9:10 PM GMT
    Luckily, this issue will NOT come to a voter referendum in DC. Our Human Rights Act prevents a ballot initiative from violating any civil rights issue. Too bad that wasn't the case in CA.
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    Mar 16, 2010 9:26 PM GMT
    This ruling really had nothing to do with gay marriage and everything to do with the city's referendum process. Nothing about gay marriage should be read into it. As _chuck_ said there is still a case before a lower court.

    The city is something like 70% registered Democrats. If a referendum ever made it on the ballot, which it probably won't, and it somehow passed you would not be able to blame Republicans for it passing. I also don't think the crazy Baptist minister leading the charge against gay marriage in DC is a Republican. I could be wrong though.

    EDIT: DC is actually 77.9% Democratic according to a Gallup poll
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    Mar 16, 2010 9:29 PM GMT
    The Justice said it wasn't the Supreme Court's place to step in on a local matter. It really doesn't have much to do with gay marriage, but, rather, about how the legal process should play out. I encourage you to read the opinion. It was all about the process, and no opinion was expressed regarding gay marriage.

    As a matter of course, this is very good, in that what happens is that even if there is a referendum, that overturns the current law, then, almost certainly whatever happens while the current (gay marriage) law is in effect will get grandfathered, just as in California. This sets up a court challenge for different classes of citizens which the Religious Right will have no hope of winning. Equal treatment is just a matter of time as this all shakes out.

    The Religious Right has, and will, try a constitutional approach to getting their way, but, almost certainly it will not withstand any real tests in the Judicial Branch.

    It speaks about how far we have to go as a people that some folks feel they have to jump in on the marriage thing and prohibit it.

    One thing the Judicial Branch has done time and again: equal treatment under the law. "Separate but equal" failed the test, and we ended up with integrated schools. I'm hoping this follows the same path.

    Even if the Religious Right manages constitutional amendments at the state level, in the end, federal law trumps.

    Lots of places are falling into line.

    It's disgusting that the RR spends so much time being hateful.

    This demonstrates, yet again, why it's so important to speak out against false belief systems.
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    Mar 17, 2010 12:01 AM GMT
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    Red_Vespa saidBut a ballot referendum will come in DC. They always do, and they always win. This is how Republicans beat us gays down.

    Sorry, but I need to point out that it's not fair to be so broadsweeping as to say it's the Republicans that beat us down. It's the Conservative Right Wing. Not all Republicans are Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson, nor do they all share their beliefs.

    It's like saying all Muslims are radicals and terrorists.

    That old song is becoming tiresome. "Not every single Republican opposes gay rights, therefore all Republicans get a pass."

    Not quite. The majority of Republican voters oppose gay rights, and every major Republican figure and elected official does. So where can gays find support for gay rights in the Republican Party? Support that will translate into substantive legislative initiatives on behalf of gay rights? Please list them...
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    Mar 17, 2010 12:07 AM GMT
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    Mar 11, 2011 11:50 PM GMT
    I'm really happy that gay marriage has come to DC. It's hard enough for any two people -- gay, straight, bisexual, whatever -- to find love that lasts. Anything we can do to support committed relationships of whatever sort is something worth doing, and I'm proud to belong to a church in which one can get married. (At least in DC--Virginia seems to be way off yet!)
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    Mar 12, 2011 12:15 AM GMT
    MenschPress said"I'm sure we all agree that we ought to love one another, and I know there are people in the world who do not love their fellow human beings -- and I hate people like that!"

    -- Tom Lehrer


    Most people want to better themselves first and this always hurts other people because whenever we want to have it better than the next guy, it's a survival of the fittest and people are going to get hurt.
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    Mar 12, 2011 4:59 AM GMT
    DCTallJock saidI'm really happy that gay marriage has come to DC. It's hard enough for any two people -- gay, straight, bisexual, whatever -- to find love that lasts. Anything we can do to support committed relationships of whatever sort is something worth doing, and I'm proud to belong to a church in which one can get married. (At least in DC--Virginia seems to be way off yet!)



    This is so sparely and nicely said I had to quote it.

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  • roadbikeRob

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    Mar 12, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
    If gay marriage is given enough time to remain law of the land in DC which would help destroy the fairy tale beliefs about gay marriage, than any anti-gay ballot initiative might not get much support despite the loud noise coming from right wingers. American blacks tend to be anti-gay marriage but attitudes are gradually starting to change but unfortunately not fast enough. Some of you liberals on here are so paranoid. Why notcelebrate the positive side of this gay marriage victory in Washington DC.
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    Mar 12, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
    Art_Deco said
    Anti-gay forces always win, gays always lose, Such is how it is in the US. The victory in DC is temporary, and will soon be overturned. And gay-haters here like southbeach1500 will rejoice. That's just the way it is.



    Honestly, Art, you make statements like this and it just makes my skin crawl -- though it didn't contain one of your long-winded army stories, so thank you for small favors. But your pessimism is just beyond pathetic and annoying. Please Stop! It's NOT all doom & gloom when it comes to the gay rights movement. Things are moving forward, albeit slowly, but gains are being made. But beyond that, if you call one more person here an "Anti-Gay hater" I think I will hurl. Please STOP that too!!! No one here is "Anti-Gay", they may not share your viewpoint, but to call someone here "Anti-Gay" is insulting and makes you look like an ignorant knucklehead.
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    Mar 12, 2011 3:06 PM GMT
    Art_Deco saidThe majority of Republican voters oppose gay rights



    Correction...except in states that have actually voted for and passed "Gay Marriage", the majority of VOTERS oppose gay rights. It's disingenuous to blame it all on the Republicans.
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    Mar 12, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
    Art Deco desparately needs to get out of Wilton Manors for awhile and come out into the real world. I am so sick and damned tired of his paranoid doomsday predictions and his extremist liberal hen viewpoints. He really needs to abandon Wilton Manors and move to another city and county.