Scott Lively stirrs hatred in Uganda.

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    Mar 12, 2010 12:23 AM GMT
    Scott Lively, a pastor from Springfield, Massachussetts and the president of Defend The Family has been in Uganda stirring up hatred in the name of Christianity. He was one of the pastors interviewed last night on ABC's Nightline. I know a lot you here lump all believers in the category of "Fool who believe in False Belief Systems" and while I know that there are believers like myself here, I want to make it clear that as a believer I am not part of that group and I abhor this type of behavior by anyone who uses sprituality to push an agenda of hate, which is being done here.

    He is also the author of "The Pink Swastika" and vehemently believes and says he can prove that Hitler was gay and that the Nazi movement was a homosexual agenda. Below is the link to the story and video.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/anti-homosexuality-bill-uganda-global-uproar/story?id=10045436
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    Mar 12, 2010 1:38 AM GMT
    I'm glad you pointed out that this guy, and his and his organization's agenda, are not necessarily representative of "Christianity". There is nothing "Christian" about murder.

    I just want to further point out that as this is taking place in Uganda, I want to pre-empt any grand,s weeping statements made about Ugandans or Africans more broadly, as often happens on these threads.

    Too often people jump upon this topic and instantly cast aside Ugandans or Africans as "backwards" or "barbaric" or "uncivilized". Certainly, their government is corrupt and despotic, Museveni has been ruling Uganda since 1986, in what Madeline Albright referred to as a "single-party democracy". He is, and his government is, a puppet of the United States, and to a lesser degree, the U.K.

    So, before people blame Africans for this law or casting them aside as "barbaric", let's take a moment to realize and think about who is the prime supporters of these governments? And who are the prime supporters of this particular law?

    As Erik pointed out, is is this particular "Christian" organization in the United States. Now, I happen to know Christians who I would consider to be good people, and so I know better than to blame this on "Christianity," but rather, the manipulation and organization of Christianity to serve this particular group's agenda; ironically having more in common with the Nazis than this man's supposed "gay nazi agenda" claim.

    I just ask that people accord Africans with the same approach; as in, do not paint all with the same brush. It is a tremendously diverse society with a multitude of people, cultures, religions, perspectives, and beliefs. Don't treat them as if they are "all the same" no more than you would like to be treated as being all the same.
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    Mar 12, 2010 1:47 AM GMT
    Well said Andrew and thank you. I am amazed that most people don't understand that Africa is a continent with multiple peoples and countries. One of my roommates is here in the U.S. for school. He is from the Congo. While I have many issues with him as far as being a roommate is concerned, I have gotten a better feel for what is happening in his country and he has a better understanding having discovered that two of his roommates are gay and of color. He has even gone so far as to apologize to us for the atrocities that have happened in his country to gay citizens there in the name of religion. Any thinking person, given the right experience and information can discern that, for example, gay people are not out to rule the world nor did we have anything to do with the Nazi regime other than wear the pink and black triangles as gay and lesbians in the internment camps.
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    Mar 12, 2010 4:39 AM GMT
    MeOhMy saidI'm glad you pointed out that this guy, and his and his organization's agenda, are not necessarily representative of "Christianity". There is nothing "Christian" about murder.



    well... aside from crucifixion.
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    Mar 12, 2010 12:01 PM GMT
    Witch burning was fairly christian. Not to generalize or make sweeping statements or anything. I know there must be some truly wonderful christians, though. I'm almost sure of it. icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 12, 2010 8:52 PM GMT
    McGay saidWitch burning was fairly christian. Not to generalize or make sweeping statements or anything. I know there must be some truly wonderful christians, though. I'm almost sure of it. icon_rolleyes.gif


    But blanketed you did anyway. And I really like you, McGay. And yes, I am one of the cool Christians.
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:12 PM GMT
    McGay saidWitch burning was fairly christian. Not to generalize or make sweeping statements or anything. I know there must be some truly wonderful christians, though. I'm almost sure of it. icon_rolleyes.gif


    i don't know of any nice witches. wasn't there some story about putting hansel and gretel in a cozy place at 350 degrees?
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:19 PM GMT
    Those children of the devil that call themselves christians are always at work .. no turn the other cheek, no love your enemy .. really these people that justify the killing of homosexuals are simply murderers.

    As far as his book the pink swastika, it has pretty much been rejected as fallacious by historians and by anti-hate organizations. Scott Lively created that fiction to help anti-gay legislation in Oregon back in 1992:
    http://www.splcenter.org/blog/index.php?s=watchmenThrockmorton says Lively’s obsession with linking gay men to Nazi fascism began in 1992 with Oregon’s Ballot Measure 9, which would have mandated that public schools teach that homosexuality is “abnormal, wrong, unnatural and perverse.” The ballot measure was drafted and supported by the Oregon Citizens Alliance, whose communications director was Scott Lively. As gay rights activists drew comparisons between Measure 9 and the Nazi treatment of homosexuals, Lively and his Pink Swastika co-author Scott Abrams sought to make, in Throckmorton’s words, the “massive leaps of logic and fact required to make National Socialism an invention of a cohesive homosexual plot.

    Better to go the the United States Holocaust Museum to see the real story about homosexuals in relation to the Nazi's and the Holocaust:
    http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/online/hsx/
    http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005261
    http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/homosexuals/After taking power in 1933, the Nazis persecuted homosexuals as part of their so-called moral crusade to racially and culturally purify Germany. This persecution ranged from dissolution of homosexual organizations to internment of thousands of individuals in concentration camps. Gay men, in particular, were subject to harassment, arrest, incarceration, and even castration. In Nazi eyes, gay men were weak and unfit to be soldiers, as well as unlikely to have children and thereby contribute to the racial struggle for Aryan dominance. Follow the links on this special focus page to learn more about the Nazi campaign against homosexuals in Germany.
    Of course there is a lot more information elsewhere too.