AGREE TO DISAGREE

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  Jan 20, 2008 2:44 AM GMT

  Over the past week, it seems as if there have been quite a few posts of Vegetarian/Vegan vs Omnivores/Carnivores and am wondering if it is possible to agree to disagree.
  
  Neither side is going to truly change the other's thinking and to be honest neither side is wrong as choosing to eat or not eat meat is a personal preference.
  
  I enjoy a good debate as much as the next person but there are like 4-5 of the same Vegan vs Everyone else topic going on. While it is a nice change of pace from the "help me find a boyfriend" or "who is the hottest realjock" posts, it's somewhat overwhelming.
  
  Especially on the weekend before the Martin Luther King holiday - a man who taught tolerance and to appreciate / embrace each others differences. He may not have been perfect, but he obviously had a point and I feel it is applicable right now.
  
  Vegans continue to eat products without a face but given life by soil, h20, and the sun...
  Carnivores continue to eat animals that are designated as food animals and have yet to figure out that when they get on the truck - it isnt going to a new, greener, pasture.
  Omnivores continue to eat everything in sight
  Vegetarians continue to confuse us all (just kidding of course)
  
  ...just my two cents...I'm sure i'll get some hate mail about this post .

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  Jan 20, 2008 3:15 AM GMT

  ...a wise man...
  
  thanks Lasalle!

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  Jan 20, 2008 3:29 AM GMT

  heheheheh, how new are you to RJ?
  
  never fear. another anti-meat thread will be started soon enough. i think i can predict how it will start.

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  Jan 20, 2008 3:41 AM GMT

  AWWWWW, the lord sent me an angel and he is wearing a purple shirt! Thankyou LaSalle, i've been dying to talk about this issue outside of an actual post about this issue. I'm actually shocked by the emotional strength this debate conjures up in the forum.
  
  The only explanation I can think of is that men love a pissing contest and this issue provides an oppurtunity for two opposing sides to lock horns and collide again and again until one side acquiesces to defeat ( like that'll ever happen).
  
  
  Unfortunately "80's Madonna vs. 90's madonna, which was better," is not a controversial enough topic to provide the men of RealJocks a segregated enough battlefield to re-enact The 300 because, with the Madonna issue, it is so easy to be stuck in the middle. I mean, she was great the moment she was born; who can choose which decade she shined the brigthest, love her!
  
  On the other hand, the "Vegan/Vegetarian vs everyone else issue" provides a perfectly defined playing field that I must admit, is fun to play in.
  
  
  
  

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  Jan 20, 2008 3:48 AM GMT

  ....OMG!

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  Jan 20, 2008 3:49 AM GMT

  gettoknowit saidOk so this is where I jump in with a joke and say its probably more about bending over than a pissing contest. Maneater/Dicksucker and meat obviously go together.

  
  
  And very pleasurably sometimes ;-)

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  Jan 20, 2008 4:19 AM GMT

  All I can say is you dont normally see the carnivores going into the forums starting topics of oh my god meat fucking rocks.

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  Jan 20, 2008 4:21 AM GMT

  ............and here we go again...........

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  Jan 20, 2008 4:25 AM GMT

  I like my meat hot and medium, seasoned just perfectly with very little fat
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  and about 7 inches long.

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  Jan 20, 2008 4:42 AM GMT

  
  I think this thread is going SOUTH and I mean literally!

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  Jan 20, 2008 4:44 AM GMT

  GuiltyGear said
  I think this thread is going SOUTH and I mean literally!

  
  
  If you're versatile -- it could be going NORTH ;-)

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  Jan 20, 2008 4:46 AM GMT

  You know i am, Hottie Doggie.
  
  You'va...got a great package, do you mind my saying so?

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  Jan 20, 2008 5:01 AM GMT

  There's an easy way to end this conflict.
  
  Eat the vegetarians.

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  Jan 20, 2008 5:03 AM GMT

  vegetarians give me gas.

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  Jan 20, 2008 5:06 AM GMT

  oh, that kinda eat.........

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  GuiltyGear saidYou know i am, Hottie Doggie.
  
  You'va...got a great package, do you mind my saying so?

  
  
  not at all and i rather admire your build. genetics and i have been in a long standing fight about gaining such a build.

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  Jan 20, 2008 5:08 AM GMT

  Yes please..
  eat us. put me out of my misery. before the next veg posting PLEASE!
  And to anyone who has ever argued with me on here, I am going to borrow a little John Waters and say "there are two types of people in the world. MY kind of people and Assholes. I think It is quite obvious which category you belong in."
  Cheers.
  

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  Jan 20, 2008 5:09 AM GMT

  RBY71 saidvegetarians give me gas.

  
  
  they are supposed to inform you before they float a biscuit.

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  Jan 20, 2008 5:12 AM GMT

  I am with FirefighterBlu3 in predicting another 'PETA/Horrors of meat eating' thread...
  
  I predict that a brand new post/argument will occur in the next thirty days.
  
  I am absolutely PSYCHIC sometimes...

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  Jan 20, 2008 5:19 AM GMT

  I really think there should be a moratorium on all dietary preference related posts.

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  Jan 20, 2008 5:20 AM GMT

  how about happy endings?

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  Jan 20, 2008 5:35 AM GMT

  Well, Lasalle said" "... it seems as if there have been quite a few posts of Vegetarian/Vegan vs Omnivores/Carnivores and am wondering if it is possible to agree to disagree..."
  
  ...if that were the issue.
  
  Except the issue had nothing to do with the veg vs omnivore subject matter, which would be interesting. In that last Forum post, the issue was the initiator kidnapped his own Forum thread by posting offensive pictures that were clearly there to revolt, shock and awe.
  
  You will note that the whole Forum thread then deviated to discussing that.
  
  I don't think more than 2% of the people on RJ disagree that people can have different views, and should be encouraged to speak out on them. It's the offensive, small-minded posts that bother a lot of us.
  
  John

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  Jan 20, 2008 5:55 AM GMT

  I hate agreeing to disagree, because that means in some sense that we've given up on finding some sort of common ground. Alas, there are many who have no interest in finding that common ground, so perhaps it's wise to do agree to disagree.
  
  I truly do lament the fact that we can't seem to have an actual discussion about this topic free from hyperbole, propaganda, or ad hominem attacks. It's a really great line of discussion from which much understanding can be derived and much good can come if only people would lay aside their defensiveness and lay out their opinions coolly and rationally. Sadly, that's asking a lot, and I know that.
  
  I for one, won't give up on trying to come to a middle ground. I am, however, going to continue to attempt to disregard the defensiveness about eating meat that I feel I've built up. It's irrational and counter-productive. That does not mean I will become vegetarian anytime soon, but I'm personally going to strive to understand what's behind even the most "in your face," so to speak, threads and posts that occur on this subject.

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  Jan 20, 2008 6:01 AM GMT

  fastprof saidWell, Lasalle said" "... it seems as if there have been quite a few posts of Vegetarian/Vegan vs Omnivores/Carnivores and am wondering if it is possible to agree to disagree..."
  
  ...if that were the issue.
  
  Except the issue had nothing to do with the veg vs omnivore subject matter, which would be interesting. In that last Forum post, the issue was the initiator kidnapped his own Forum thread by posting offensive pictures that were clearly there to revolt, shock and awe.
  
  You will note that the whole Forum thread then deviated to discussing that.
  
  I don't think more than 2% of the people on RJ disagree that people can have different views, and should be encouraged to speak out on them. It's the offensive, small-minded posts that bother a lot of us.
  
  John

  
  
  Nobody here thinks that there is only one way to feel on any issue. The delivery on the last couple of "im going to shout something and be emotional with no substance at all and hope that a debate just happens out of nowhere" threads are tiresome. If you respect the people on this board, you will post things of substance when substance is merited. If you intend on sparking a debate...copy-pasting from PETAs cookie cutter guide on how to be the most annoying overemotional vegan possible is not the way to do it. Doing your homework and presenting your ideas in a way that is digestible and respectful of others is the right way to present ANY information. You don't go to your bosses and tell them that they are shitty people and that you hate them and hate working and then ask for a raise. Refusing to admit when you are solely posting material to shock and irritate and feigning surprise when people react in kind is not only shortsighted, its obnoxious.

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