Australia is first to recognise 'non-specified' gender

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    Mar 12, 2010 5:13 PM GMT
    Australia is first to recognise 'non-specified' gender

    http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2010/03/11/australia-is-first-to-recognise-non-specified-gender/
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    Mar 12, 2010 6:06 PM GMT
    Glad to see that Australia is recognizing intersex individuals. Hopefully the United States will follow suit. It really is an unfair position to place these people in, forcing them to conform to a gender identity when they are born as neither male nor female.
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    Mar 12, 2010 8:49 PM GMT
    Bracing myself for the onslaught of the illogic of one of Australia's own.....icon_neutral.gif
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:11 PM GMT
    Now all we need is recognition for gay men, that we are neither bisexual, lesbian, or trans. We too need recognition, and a flag of our own, We are not one, nor all think the same, have the same political view, or wants. many things separate us, but this is not to say we are wrong, we are not just all the same. But the one thing we all have in commion, is the fact we are pure homosexuals, neither Bisexual, lesbian or trans. We too deserve an identity of our own. But just because we are born pure homosexual, non bi, or lesbian or Tran, why should we be "forced" to accept all thing queer? This is also NSW and not all of Oz.

    There was talk in WA, Perth. That Trans should be givern their certificate of transformation, even though they had not had gender assignment.

    I myself have no issues with this as it has nothing to do with me, or my community..........
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:13 PM GMT
    ErikTaurean saidBracing myself for the onslaught of the illogic of one of Australia's own.....icon_neutral.gif


    You know you don't have too look, you have a choice and thats in your hands, so don't bitch, we don't all think like you or behold your agenda for the year. Jesus loves you.
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:21 PM GMT
    PAJohn saidAs a true Ozzie, one does not recognize banner of intersexed. When one is a pure homosexual one can not live one's life according to other definition's of gender. My one true love (who sadly has left me) was intersexed and I will love him all the day of my life. One is a pure homosexual and have never been tainted by the fowl stench of a vagina or inter-vago-penis!



    this has the brand of pattison on it.
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    PAJohn saidAs a true Ozzie, one does not recognize banner of intersexed. When one is a pure homosexual one can not live one's life according to other definition's of gender. My one true love (who sadly has left me) was intersexed and I will love him all the day of my life. One is a pure homosexual and have never been tainted by the fowl stench of a vagina or inter-vago-penis!


    One dose not ignore it. Yes one dose not have full understanding of it, thus one is open to conversation about such issues. But way to many instead of talking they want to abuse, and demand you do accept. I don't have contempt for them, and if they can afford to have it done, then do it. But if taxpayers are supporting it, if gives them a right to a voice too.

    No as a pure homosexual I have never been tainted by the fowl stench of Virgina, and since my work can involve cleaning them, I do know all about them! Yuk, yuk, yuk!

    I'm pleased you found love. This I do understand, and I do understand losing that love as my soul mate was murded just before Christmas, in a terrorist act. But I also know life goes on.

    I can only carry and deal with my own stuff, I'm not going to be held for other peoples issues, it's theirs and it belongs to them.......

    I know from other topics on this issues here at RJ, not all homosexuals are understanding on this issues, and why should we be forced too accept all things queer?
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:24 PM GMT
    Pattison said
    ErikTaurean saidBracing myself for the onslaught of the illogic of one of Australia's own.....icon_neutral.gif


    You know you don't have too look, you have a choice and thats in your hands, so don't bitch, we don't all think like you or behold your agenda for the year. Jesus loves you.



    The last statement of yours in the prior post says it all. You go on and on and on and on and then.....wait for it...........Say that it doesn't really concern you. If it didn't concern you and you don't care as you said, why did you even post? And you have the audacity to talk about someone having an agenda? Thank you for confirming the illogic yet again. And I will not place this in small caps: I do hold out hope that one day you will use logic whether you agree or disagree with anyone. And just so know--Homosexual is define as being "of, relating to or marked by sexual interest in the same sex as oneself. Also, of or involving sexual intercource between members of the same sex.

    So as a point of fact, you are wrong in your assertion that Lesbians are not pure homosexuals. By definition they are. Just so you know.
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:25 PM GMT
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    PAJohn saidAs a true Ozzie, one does not recognize banner of intersexed. When one is a pure homosexual one can not live one's life according to other definition's of gender. My one true love (who sadly has left me) was intersexed and I will love him all the day of my life. One is a pure homosexual and have never been tainted by the fowl stench of a vagina or inter-vago-penis!



    this has the brand of pattison on it.


    Mate you are not accepting all things, or all things gay! So don't force or expect one to be either. But.......nor do I hold your blinding anger either.
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    PAJohn saidAs a true Ozzie, one does not recognize banner of intersexed. When one is a pure homosexual one can not live one's life according to other definition's of gender. My one true love (who sadly has left me) was intersexed and I will love him all the day of my life. One is a pure homosexual and have never been tainted by the fowl stench of a vagina or inter-vago-penis!



    this has the brand of pattison on it.



    Agreed. Wreaks, in fact. Interesting, though, that the post was deleted, it seems.
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:27 PM GMT
    Pattison saidNow all we need is recognition for gay men, that we are neither bisexual, lesbian, or trans. We too need recognition, and a flag of our own, We are not one, nor all think the same, have the same political view, or wants. many things separate us, but this is not to say we are wrong, we are not just all the same. But the one thing we all have in commion, is the fact we are pure homosexuals, neither Bisexual, lesbian or trans. We too deserve an identity of our own. But just because we are born pure homosexual, non bi, or lesbian or Tran, why should we be "forced" to accept all thing queer? This is also NSW and not all of Oz.

    There was talk in WA, Perth. That Trans should be givern their certificate of transformation, even though they had not had gender assignment.

    I myself have no issues with this as it has nothing to do with me, or my community..........


    Why? Why do you keep stressing the fact that you're a "pure homosexual"? What's next? Are you going to start calling anyone not purely homosexual "mudblood"? There is already so much that divides us... why create more division? Why do you feel the need to be argumentative all the time? Why not just be content in your rarely shared beliefs and see that as distinction enough? It's as if you are looking for a reason to discriminate against any others unlike you.
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:31 PM GMT
    I like the new pronoun "zie" as gender non-specific 3rd person nominative singular. But not "hir" as 3 person possessive singular. It sounds too much like "her." Maybe "hizr" would work.
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:31 PM GMT
    I'm not sure I understand what practical ramifications it has to identify as neither male or female. Don't standard non-discrimination laws already provide protection?
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:33 PM GMT
    ErikTaurean said
    Pattison said
    ErikTaurean saidBracing myself for the onslaught of the illogic of one of Australia's own.....icon_neutral.gif


    You know you don't have too look, you have a choice and thats in your hands, so don't bitch, we don't all think like you or behold your agenda for the year. Jesus loves you.



    The last statement of yours in the prior post says it all. You go on and on and on and on and then.....wait for it...........Say that it doesn't really concern you. If it didn't concern you and you don't care as you said, why did you even post? And you have the audacity to talk about someone having an agenda? Thank you for confirming the illogic yet again. And I will not place this in small caps: I do hold out hope that one day you will use logic whether you agree or disagree with anyone. And just so know--Homosexual is define as being "of, relating to or marked by sexual interest in the same sex as oneself. Also, of or involving sexual intercource between members of the same sex.

    So as a point of fact, you are wrong in your assertion that Lesbians are not pure homosexuals. By definition they are. Just so you know.


    Yadda yadda yadda. But they also stand under the banner of gay and lesbian, where us pure homosexuals are shoved under the banner of gay and thats it; you know my point, you just want to attack, , because my agenda for the year is not the same as yours, or do you feel by attacking one you are fulfilling your goals for the year?

    PS please do not tell one what goes on in my bedroom,or what my sex life involves, because now you are talking about things you know nothing about, maybe I have taken a vow of celibacy?

    Have a nice day.
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:44 PM GMT
    Pattison said
    ErikTaurean said
    Pattison said
    ErikTaurean saidBracing myself for the onslaught of the illogic of one of Australia's own.....icon_neutral.gif


    You know you don't have too look, you have a choice and thats in your hands, so don't bitch, we don't all think like you or behold your agenda for the year. Jesus loves you.



    The last statement of yours in the prior post says it all. You go on and on and on and on and then.....wait for it...........Say that it doesn't really concern you. If it didn't concern you and you don't care as you said, why did you even post? And you have the audacity to talk about someone having an agenda? Thank you for confirming the illogic yet again. And I will not place this in small caps: I do hold out hope that one day you will use logic whether you agree or disagree with anyone. And just so know--Homosexual is define as being "of, relating to or marked by sexual interest in the same sex as oneself. Also, of or involving sexual intercource between members of the same sex.

    So as a point of fact, you are wrong in your assertion that Lesbians are not pure homosexuals. By definition they are. Just so you know.


    Yadda yadda yadda. But they also stand under the banner of gay and lesbian, where us pure homosexuals are shoved under the banner of gay and thats it; you know my point, you just want to attack, , because my agenda for the year is not the same as yours, or do you feel by attacking one you are fulfilling your goals for the year?

    PS please do not tell one what goes on in my bedroom,or what my sex life involves, because now you are talking about things you know nothing about, maybe I have taken a vow of celibacy?

    Have a nice day.


    Again! Why? Why do you want to fight all the time? Why do you bait people for arguments and then never really validate any of your claims. If you're going to start an argument, please actually finish it and try to make an argument someone can get behind. I've been waiting to you to make a valid point for awhile now, because I want to support you and get behind you on something, but you're not giving me anything to work with!

    What is this "agenda for the year" of which you speak? And why does it include making gay men acknowledged as superior to all other "sexual deviants"?
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:45 PM GMT
    Where, in anything that I posted here, do even give the slightest hint that I am speaking about what you do in bed? All I did was enlighten you to what homosexual actually means and that you are wrong to say that lesbians are homosexuals. You are the one in complete misunderstanding. It is your logic that is being attacked and at not time has anyone stated any agenda, except you---plural marriage or no marriage at all. Removal of lesbians from the definition of homosexual so that "the pure" ones can have their own banner.

    You have the agenda.icon_rolleyes.gif
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    Mar 12, 2010 9:51 PM GMT
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    Pattison saidNow all we need is recognition for gay men, that we are neither bisexual, lesbian, or trans. We too need recognition, and a flag of our own, We are not one, nor all think the same, have the same political view, or wants. many things separate us, but this is not to say we are wrong, we are not just all the same. But the one thing we all have in commion, is the fact we are pure homosexuals, neither Bisexual, lesbian or trans. We too deserve an identity of our own. But just because we are born pure homosexual, non bi, or lesbian or Tran, why should we be "forced" to accept all thing queer? This is also NSW and not all of Oz.

    There was talk in WA, Perth. That Trans should be givern their certificate of transformation, even though they had not had gender assignment.

    I myself have no issues with this as it has nothing to do with me, or my community..........


    Why? Why do you keep stressing the fact that you're a "pure homosexual"? What's next? Are you going to start calling anyone not purely homosexual "mudblood"? There is already so much that divides us... why create more division? Why do you feel the need to be argumentative all the time? Why not just be content in your rarely shared beliefs and see that as distinction enough? It's as if you are looking for a reason to discriminate against any others unlike you.


    Because I am a pure homosexual, not bisexual; there is a fundamental difference. We pure homosexuals will only have sex with other males. We will never have a wife, or have children, other than via artificial insemination of our sperm. We will never know equality as a bisexual man does who has a wife and kids. We do not make sexuality look like a choice either. We are pure homosexuals, and until we get our own banner, identity, and some-one gives me a better word to identify us pure homosexuals, I'll keep using it, and it is a word down here that people are starting to hear, and even use too!

    One is also older than you, had diffrent experience than you,and many more. When I was your age I was working for the gay community in it's darkest years when so many fled, and I stood by it; the things I was a witness too. Also when I come out it was a diffrent world, and the generations before me had done little, nothing to make it a safer place for young homosexual to come out, that was left to my generation.

    I also being older than you, and with the experience I have had and the trails and tribulations concerning religion, sexuality and many other thing have growen and become stronger for them. So why should I be held back because of your youth. I did not create the divide in the gay communities and they will also ways be there, as we are not one. But why should this stop us pure homosexuals from having an identity of our very own? A banner, an anthem, a pride.

    Many things divide us, fem Vs mack. Athoist, vs christians, left wing Vs right wing, and so on. But I don't look at them as a divide but a diffrence, as we are not all the same. I beginning a True Blue ( the real thing) Aussie fag, are diffrent to most American homosexuals. yet we are still homosexuals; pure.

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    Because I am a pure homosexual, not bisexual; there is a fundamental difference. We pure homosexuals will only have sex with other males. We will never have a wife, or have children, other than via artificial insemination of our sperm. We will never know equality as a bisexual man does who has a wife and kids. We do not make sexuality look like a choice either. We are pure homosexuals, and until we get our own banner, identity, and some-one gives me a better word to identify us pure homosexuals, I'll keep using it, and it is a word down here that people are starting to hear, and even use too!

    One is also older than you, had diffrent experience than you,and many more. When I was your age I was working for the gay community in it's darkest years when so many fled, and I stood by it; the things I was a witness too. Also when I come out it was a diffrent world, and the generations before me had done little, nothing to make it a safer place for young homosexual to come out, that was left to my generation.

    I also being older than you, and with the experience I have had and the trails and tribulations concerning religion, sexuality and many other thing have growen and become stronger for them. So why should I be held back because of your youth. I did not create the divide in the gay communities and they will also ways be there, as we are not one. But why should this stop us pure homosexuals from having an identity of our very own? A banner, an anthem, a pride.

    Many things divide us, fem Vs mack. Athoist, vs christians, left wing Vs right wing, and so on. But I don't look at them as a divide but a diffrence, as we are not all the same. I beginning a True Blue ( the real thing) Aussie fag, are diffrent to most American homosexuals. yet we are still homosexuals; pure.

    have a nice day.


    Oh honey, you don't know my experiences... so don't go there.

    And there already is a term for gay guys who have never been with a woman: "Gold Star Gays"

    Why do you need to be proud to be gay? It just is, so just let it be. I have blue eyes, but I'm not proud of them. It's not like I did something to earn them. I just have them. And we're just gay. If it's not choice and you didn't do something to deserve being born gay, then it's nothing to be proud of. Fighting for equality IS something to be proud of though. And if you are fighting for equality then wouldn't it be beneficial for you to draw support from Bisexuals and Lesbians who share your plight?
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    Mar 12, 2010 10:55 PM GMT
    Not so long ago I read Ms Chastity Bono stated that once she realised, that gender is something between the ears and not the legs,she received understand, or something like that.. I thought but thats what makes us diffrent, as your head tells you something is not right. But to me being born a male, living my childhood as a male, and being treated as a male, expectations and all that, being born with balls, and them being apart of me from stage one, and their function as a teens, and the nature hormones they pomp into my body. Bing a male in my 20's, and all the things that come with it, has much more to do with than whats going on between my ears, whats going on between my legs have so much to do with it too.

    S how can a women spend 20, 20 years as a female, and that thing between their legs and the diffrent bodily functions; only women bleed, and that allows them only t have children,so on. Then at 30 thanks to injections, and "Maybe surgery they are a man, the same as I. NOT!

    I'm all for them having this done, if they have the cash, and they can aford to continue to have those injections for the rest of their lives. If it comes out of public funds, the the taxpaying public have a right to an opinion. But I don't feel this gives them a right to men only clubs ans stuff like that.

    As for men becoming a women, this dose not invite me in any way, thats up to the women to decide. But women have a right to say they can't play in women tennis treatment because of the unfair physical factor.

    But I behold no contempt for trans, I do not behold full understanding either, and just because I'm a pure homosexual, why should this expectation be forced on me? I do them no harm, wish them no harm, and no I would not date one, or hold the door to the men's toilets open to them either.

    But if I had to care for a women who looked like a man,, so long as I was professional about it, thats all that matters.

    But look at all the hate I receive here from the gay left, because I challenge their thought process, and don't see things the way they feel they should be! Yet I behold no such hate towards Trans, or the gay left. Must make one the better personicon_razz.gif
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    Mar 12, 2010 11:00 PM GMT
    have we not learnt yet? would anyone here attempt to argue with a baboons arse??? no??? this is a remarkably similar situation!
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    OMG I just tied to get into a forum/chat room, on another site for Trans and cross dressers, but since I'm neither I'm not welcome!
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    lilTanker saidhave we not learnt yet? would anyone here attempt to argue with a baboons arse??? no??? this is a remarkably similar situation!


    You know Lil *anker, since you too are not accepting of all things, or all views, nor behold understanding of all things either, so your statement also applies applies to you. Come back and talk to me when you have had as many life experiences as I have, you you are no longer a boy....... Do you recall the thread you started saying women should be made to feel welcome here at RJ, and when you got dumped on, and people did not agree with you, you stoped off like a petulant child.

    PS I am not your brother either, as you keep saying I am just like him, and you have issues with him; you need to own them.
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    I think this might be a first, but after some thinking, I must apologize to Pattison for some adolescent posting behavior—I said “ErikTaurean said….Bracing myself for the onslaught of the illogic of one of Australia's own....Yea, that was a needless dig at him and for that, Pattison, I sincerely apologize.

    Now, just so we are clear, you, as a person, are not being attacked by me and as far as I can tell, not by anyone else here. I will say it again. Your logic is. Not even your way of thinking. Your logic that you use to arrive at your way of thinking…Hmmm. So maybe your way of thinking is under attack by default. But then that is the nature of spirited debate.

    So, let’s take a look at the logic in this post:.

    Pattison said--Not so long ago I read Ms Chastity Bono stated that once she realised, that gender is something between the ears and not the legs,she received understand, or something like that.. I thought but thats what makes us diffrent, as your head tells you something is not right. But to me being born a male, living my childhood as a male, and being treated as a male, expectations and all that, being born with balls, and them being apart of me from stage one, and their function as a teens, and the nature hormones they pomp into my body. Bing a male in my 20's, and all the things that come with it, has much more to do with than whats going on between my ears, whats going on between my legs have so much to do with it too….While Chaz may have been born Chasity, a female, that does not negate studies that have shown and proven that being born one sex does not mean you are that sex. By the logic you use, men who are gay should know better than to be attracted to and having sex with other men. Of we this to be a fallacy because sexuality is not exclusively derived from biology. So while biology may have said Chaz is a woman at the beginning, it is also telling her that maybe biology got it wrong, hence gender reassignment. Chaz’s sexuality remains the same: still attracted to women. Your logic doesn’t hold up here. Biology vs Sexuality.

    Pattison said…..S how can a women spend 20, 20 years as a female, and that thing between their legs and the diffrent bodily functions; only women bleed, and that allows them only t have children,so on. Then at 30 thanks to injections, and "Maybe surgery they are a man, the same as I. NOT!...The answer is Biology vs Sexuality. Just because you don’t accept it doesn’t make it false or non existent.

    Pattison said...I'm all for them having this done, if they have the cash, and they can aford to continue to have those injections for the rest of their lives. If it comes out of public funds, the the taxpaying public have a right to an opinion. But I don't feel this gives them a right to men only clubs ans stuff like that…..regardless of where the money is coming from, all are entitled to an opinion. Here, your logic only holds up in one area—You are a separatist with veiled discrimination as a basis. That is actually ok as long as you outright own it. But even your own words dispute that and water it down to nothing more than a “Not in my own backyard” kind of mentality. Sexist anyone?

    Pattison said...As for men becoming a women, this dose not invite me in any way, thats up to the women to decide. But women have a right to say they can't play in women tennis treatment because of the unfair physical factor. Still, unfair physical factor logic doesn’t hold up here. I enter into evidence Billy Jean King ( who in 1976 beat a man at this own game), Martina Navratalova, while a lesbian and ardent support of gay rights is a female that most thought was transgendered but were wrong, is arguably the greatest female tennis player of our time and the Williams sisters, two of the most physically powerful women in tennis today who could probably wipe the courts with a few of the men on the circuit. And of course, lets not forget French tennis star Amelie Mauresmo, also a lesbian. I am not aware of any transgendered players on the circuit not any intersexed (hermaphrodites) to put this back on topic.

    Pattison said....But I behold no contempt for trans, I do not behold full understanding either, and just because I'm a pure homosexual, why should this expectation be forced on me? I do them no harm, wish them no harm, and no I would not date one, or hold the door to the men's toilets open to them either….You advocate separation based on discrimination. You not wanting to associate with them is one thing. To suggest separation and advocate it the way you do in EVERY post is an agenda and entirely different.

    Pattison said...But if I had to care for a women who looked like a man,, so long as I was professional about it, thats all that matters…..I would hope so. Finally. Some logic I can work with. If you are professional, the gender shouldn’t make a difference as you suggest.

    Pattison said...But look at all the hate I receive here from the gay left, because I challenge their thought process, and don't see things the way they feel they should be! Yet I behold no such hate towards Trans, or the gay left. Must make one the better personYou assign hate where there is none. As I stated earlier, it is your logic, at how you arrive to your way of thinking that is being attacked which is the heart of a debate, in case you didn’t know. You challenge others. No need to be bent about others challenging you. icon_wink.gif