What is the need for a "Gay Games"?

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    Mar 13, 2010 7:38 PM GMT
    I honestly don't understand. Right now the winter paralympics are going on in Vancouver, it is understandable why they would have their own games, they have a disability and it would be very hard for them to compete with other Olympians. Do gay people have a disability where they need to only compete against each other? It just doesn't make any sense to me, I don't like the segregation, we are all people so lets stop separating ourselves and compete together.
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    Mar 13, 2010 7:47 PM GMT
    Hey Rugged, look at this:

    http://www.vancouversun.com/Life/Pride+House+lesbian+athletes+place+2010+Winter+Games/1578283/story.html
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    Mar 13, 2010 8:41 PM GMT
    I dont get it! Gay Canadians are still Canadians! they don't need a pride house. Be Canadian, be who you are, don't separate yourself from everyone else over something as silly as sexual orientation. Makes me sad.
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    Mar 13, 2010 8:56 PM GMT
    For the same reasons a site like RealJock exists. It creates a safe space for people of common interests. I've never been to nor competed in a Gay Games event, but I hear that many competitors are from countries where it is downright dangerous to be openly homosexual. The Gay Games is just one venue where they can "let their hair down" and be amongst other homosexuals without such fear of persecution.
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    Mar 13, 2010 9:06 PM GMT
    I think the gay games are a fundamentally good idea because homosexual athletes no matter how top notch and well skilled they are can still face some negative opposition from some straight athletes. Plus the gay games help spotlight the other diverse aspects of the gay community to the world. The gay games help shatter the popular and untrue stereotypes about gay men being wimpy, drunken, artsy-fartsy bar flies.
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    Mar 13, 2010 11:03 PM GMT
    Hmmmm....

    It's good for those of us on a sports team where close contact with predominantly heterosexual team mates either keeps us playing straight or in an awkward state of don't ask don't tell.

    Why are you proud to play for a canadian team? The same applies to people who would be proud to play on a gay team. It represents a part of their identity. You completly miss the point, you realize this people don't only participate in the gay games they participate year round in leagues and competitions where they feel the need to be on guard about their sexuality. So it's a way to be open about it once
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    Mar 13, 2010 11:16 PM GMT
    Reasons for gay games:

    1. You can compete without anti-gay prejudice and hostility all around you. It may either be difficult to even be allowed to compete in sports when gay, and belong to teams, but even where permitted, many gays are subject to harassment and isolation.

    2. Participants contribute to educating the general public about gays, challenging negative stereotypes about gays being nonathletic wimps with no interest in sports.

    3. It's a quality shared experience, that bonds gays together, bringing us into contact with others from around the world.

    4. Gay games can be vehicles to showcase other worthy gay causes, and possibly raise money for them.

    5. It gives us visibility & legitimacy, the thing our enemies strive to deny us. The first step to being on the political map is to be seen. "Out of sight, out of mind" is what our opponents would like for us. A visible, positive image is what we must always pursue, in whatever ways we can.
  • BlackBeltGuy

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    Mar 13, 2010 11:22 PM GMT
    I could have gay gamed 4 different times, had problems matching my karate skill and class/rank. It raises money for charity but a lot of that money does go to overhead. Also, next year I was already asked to do Ohio (i believe they are being held there) so I'm most likely to decline..again
    I rather do straight competing/sparring and achieve that way, besides its great once a straight guy knows a fag tagged him and he lost..just saying
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    Mar 14, 2010 12:52 AM GMT
    RuggedRanger15 saidI dont get it! Gay Canadians are still Canadians! they don't need a pride house. Be Canadian, be who you are, don't separate yourself from everyone else over something as silly as sexual orientation. Makes me sad.


    You know I didn't understand this pride house thing either, gays complain about segregation, yet do it every opportunity?

    I belive with the gay games the standard of entry is not as high as the Olympics, just about anyone can enter, who would never of made it into the Olympics.
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    Mar 14, 2010 12:59 AM GMT
    I know there have been straight swimmers who have swam at the gay games and have gotten tones of records. straights are allowed too.
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    Mar 14, 2010 1:01 AM GMT
    although, i love being a part of a gay team and going to predominately straight meets and winning. icon_smile.gif REPRESENT!
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    Mar 14, 2010 2:13 AM GMT
    RuggedRanger15 saidI dont get it! Gay Canadians are still Canadians! they don't need a pride house. Be Canadian, be who you are, don't separate yourself from everyone else over something as silly as sexual orientation. Makes me sad.


    Well, Rugged, the Pride houses were for a lot more than Canadian gay athletes, who of all the participating countries, had the least need of it.

    The Gay games are international, eh?

    http://thetyee.ca/Life/2010/02/09/GayestOlympics/

    In the article, it's noted that in 14 of the countries participating in the regular Olympics, being gay is illegal.

    ""Here, in Canada, it's pretty cushy. If you're gay, you're treated like a real human being," he says, while making last minute preparations for the launch. But being gay is illegal in 14 of the countries participating in the Games, and in two, homosexual acts are punishable by death.

    That's why at Vancouver's Pride House, too, even though the focus will be on making people feel welcome and safe, creating a space to meet up with friends and even trade pins, they also want to encourage people share experiences about what conditions are like for gay people in other countries. They'll have maps that show where it's illegal to be gay, where it's punishable by death, where it's legal to be married, where it's not. "

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    Mar 14, 2010 2:27 AM GMT
    As long as "straight society" at large segregates us in a multitude of fashions, there will be a need for special events and places for gay people to associate with or attend & a need to over-associate ones self with the label.

    This is a similar argument that many straight people and some gay people had when gay gamers were happy that MS stopped banning the use of sexuality identiiers in XBL profiles and gamertags...

    EDIT - just becuase one person doesnt understand it doesnt mean that its not needed or wanted by others... and I hate it (not that the OP is doing it) when people point to this type of stuff and use at as reason for homophobia. Homophobia is the cause...
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    Mar 14, 2010 3:46 AM GMT
    It exists so one can see when no examples are present. That they like you can identify and see ourselves in a light that's often not seen.
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    Mar 14, 2010 7:01 AM GMT
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    RuggedRanger15 saidI dont get it! Gay Canadians are still Canadians! they don't need a pride house. Be Canadian, be who you are, don't separate yourself from everyone else over something as silly as sexual orientation. Makes me sad.


    You know I didn't understand this pride house thing either, gays complain about segregation, yet do it every opportunity?

    I belive with the gay games the standard of entry is not as high as the Olympics, just about anyone can enter, who would never of made it into the Olympics.


    Amazing. Absolutely amazing. Here, you point out complaining of segregation, yet you advocate it in nearly every post you place-ii.e. Pure homosexual, wanting a separate flag for gay men only. separation from Bisexuals, Lesbians and Transgendereds. Pot calling the kettle black if I have ever witnessed it.
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    Mar 14, 2010 7:43 AM GMT
    I've participated in 2 Gay Games and while I can't make it to Cologne this year, am looking forward to the Games in Cleveland in 2014. (For those interested, Cleveland will also have annual tournaments every year leading up to the major event. http://www.SynergyFest.org)

    The Gay Games are completely different from the Olympics. For starters, the Gay Games are a bigger event (measured by counting the athletes rather than spectators/TV audience). Most of the participants are rank amateurs, not NHL or NBA players pretending to be amateurs. While some world records have been set (usually in an age-specific bracket), it's not about setting world records.

    It's about the camaraderie which (at least in my experience) is not matched at straight tournaments. It's about the freedom to be out while competing at your sport - as opposed to having to (or at least feeling we have to) hide our sexuality on the field.

    The competition can be intense, but even on the field it's like we're all one family, cheering each other on.

    Getting involved in athletics is good for anyone's physical health, but I think that getting involved with gay clubs also contributes to our mental health, to our overall well-being.

    It's a great experience.
    Try it and you will understand.

    http://www.games-cologne.com

    If you are in the Michigan area, visit:
    http://www.TeamMichigan.US
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    Mar 14, 2010 7:47 AM GMT
    Yeah I feel the same way.... I'm going to write more when I get back home (I'm at my aunts lake house so mo Internet) (and I'm using my iPhone)
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    Mar 14, 2010 7:49 AM GMT
    We have "Gay Games" because, at least during the 2008 Olympics, there was only 1 openly gay athlete in competition. Out of 11028 athletes. (And keep in mind, the summer olympics hosts my personal favorite event, Men's Gymnastics. I'm willing to bet half the team is gay, and that all of them are yummy. I want to be double-teamed by Paul and Morgan Hamm.)

    I don't know about 2010. I have a feeling that figure skating throws the numbers off a bit, but still, partners must be of the opposite sex. (Which I guess makes sense in order to keep things fair -- a lesbian team might be disadvantaged when it comes to lifts and other moves requiring upper-body strength more commonly found in men -- but still burns a bit.)
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    Mar 14, 2010 7:52 AM GMT
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    Mar 14, 2010 7:53 AM GMT
    Hillie saidIt exists so one can see when no examples are present. That they like you can identify and see ourselves in a light that's often not seen.


    Again, that is separation. Why cant everyone just be under the same light? Keeping us apart will not help in bringing us together.
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    Mar 14, 2010 7:54 AM GMT
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    im on pof too.. its so i can talk and meet guys. I am talking about a sporting event, not a dating site.. little different.
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    Mar 14, 2010 8:01 AM GMT
    RuggedRanger15 said
    Hillie saidIt exists so one can see when no examples are present. That they like you can identify and see ourselves in a light that's often not seen.


    Again, that is separation. Why cant everyone just be under the same light? Keeping us apart will not help in bringing us together.


    It's pretty much akin to asking "Why can't we all just get along?" Because society is, at large, still very homophobic. There's no good motherfucking reason why we can't all just be under the same light...but go to the South and ask the same question. You'll get a lot of stupid reasons, all of which will be used to justify a good old fashioned gay-bashin'.

    (Yes, I'm stereotyping Southern people...but it's only out of convenience for the purposes of demonstration. I love Southern people. I would like to marry a Southern gentlemen and perhaps retire to a plantation, where I will make gumbo and watch my grandbabies play in the mud.)